Bank Holiday 25th, 26th & 27th May 2019.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 26 May, 2019 11:57 pm

Strange lineup on sky news, was Sian Berry up against Elwood and Montgomerie, now swapped Berry for Gina Miller.
Montie voted for BXP.

Go Magid!

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:03 am

Oh yeah I forgot, European elections.

How are they going?

Labour would have won by a mile if they'd listened to their own members and voters rather than a tiny cabal of old Bennite trots and disaster Marxists.

Maybe they should think on that rather than blaming remainers for pretty much everything.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:03 am

Night night.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:14 am

HindleA wrote:South West

Brexit 3
Libdem 2
Green 1

I predicted Labour could lose out to the Greens (although I never conceived by quite that much) but the Tories with no MEPs in the South West?!!! I said just 1 Tory would be bad. I never imagined they would get none....and with Ann Widdecombe topping the list they kind of didn't. It's like that bit in Animal Farm. The people looked from the Ukip/Brexits to the Tories and from the Tories to the Brexit/Ukips and no one could tell the difference any more (if they ever could in the first place).

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:15 am

Debs Thorpe
@DebsEThorpe
'one ballot... had ‘wank’ written in every single box apart from that of the Green party. The voter left a note saying ‘not wank’ for the environmentalist party which was deemed acceptable as a vote' (The Guardian)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:20 am

It is the selfullfillers that need to take responsibility and stop blaming others.A noticeable increased vote for Brexit in Leeds by the way ,perhaps your Janet and John level of comprehension needs revisiting or Hartlepool voters were to blame,or something.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:21 am

The difference is the Tories never made any effort to campaign for these elections, Labour did.

They tried to say if you don't vote for us Farage will win, and in the end in brexit terms the difference between Farage and Labour was negligible.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:25 am

HindleA wrote:A noticeable increased vote for Brexit in Leeds by the way

Or a noticeable decrease in the remain vote, I talked to the staff in my constituency on Thursday and they said it was the quietest election they'd had.

Which made me question the narrative that voting in remain areas was up.

Post by **adam** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:28 am

They tried to say if you don't vote for us Farage will win, and in the end in brexit terms the difference between Farage and Labour was negligible.

Brexit party - leave, no deal WTO terms

Labour - we will support a deal that keeps us withi the customs union as a way to deliver the referendum result, otherwise we need a general election, otherwise a further referendum (in the full and certain knowledge that the first two were never coming)

You are joining the campaign to let the leave campaign and the conservative party off the hook.

Post by **adam** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:31 am

Conservative no-dealers will be emboldened. We are back to relying on 'moderate' conservative MPs bringing down their government.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:31 am

Am I imagining things or have the Libdems been mostly benefiting at the expense of the Tories? The Brexit Party have shaved off a few extra Tory votes compared to Ukip last time around, but don't account for all of them.

Post by **adam** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:37 am

I think even UKIP have beaten Yaxley-Lennon in the North West.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:43 am

Brexit party - leave.

Labour - leave.

One may taste slightly less disgusting than the other but my rights are still gone.

Post by **adam** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:46 am

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Brexit party - leave.

Labour - leave.

One may taste slightly less disgusting than the other but my rights are still gone.

I think the 'customs union' policy is ridiculous bit it was never ever going to go anywhere. Labour's policy to all intents and purposes was their final default, to argue for a further referendum, becuase the government would never concede the two things it asked for more. "In the end in brexit terms the difference between Farage and Labour was negligible" is utter bollocks.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 May, 2019 12:58 am

Willow904 wrote:Am I imagining things or have the Libdems been mostly benefiting at the expense of the Tories?

Heseltine this morning was making this point, the tory membership may be batshit crazy no deal brexiters but many of their voters are not. Which is why we had even Philip Hamond today not ruling out bringing down any future tory PM in a vote of no confidence if they try a no deal brexit.

Rory Stewart also failed to deny he'd do the same and he's trying to lead the fuckers.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 May, 2019 1:03 am

And yet Labour pissed about, offered nothing to nobody and lost the votes of not just fairweather friends like myself but people who'd worked for them all their adult lives.

For what?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 May, 2019 1:30 am

If anyone needs me I'll be in the music bit pretending none of this is happening.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 27 May, 2019 10:12 am

Sam Gyimah MP
@SamGyimah
·
1h
Tough election for
@Conservatives
, and we need to rapidly find a way forward. With 34.9% of voters voting for hard Brexit in a low turnout election (compared to the GE and referendum), we should be careful not to interpret this as a mandate for No Deal. #EUelections2019

Quite. That only gives 13% or so of the total electorate. For the majority it was a "Why should I bother as they're probably only there for a couple of months anyway" non-show.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 27 May, 2019 10:36 am

Gillian Jeffery #FBPE
@GillJeffery13
·
11h
So the good people of the North East have just voted in Brian Monteith as their Brexit MEP because they want out of the EU and want to stop Freedom of movement for all of us.
So they vote in a bloke who lives in the South of France.

Are you voters for real?

#bolloxtobrexit

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 27 May, 2019 10:42 am

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:And yet Labour pissed about, offered nothing to nobody and lost the votes of not just fairweather friends like myself but people who'd worked for them all their adult lives.

For what?

Causing the Tories to suffer an existential crisis?

Make no mistake, they have been *desperate* for Labour to take an outright pro-remain position so they can unite around portraying them as anti-democratic traitors.

I will admit that Labour's position has outlived its usefulness now, though. These results are simply a rather vivid confirmation of that.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 10:45 am

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:The difference is the Tories never made any effort to campaign for these elections, Labour did.

They tried to say if you don't vote for us Farage will win, and in the end in brexit terms the difference between Farage and Labour was negligible.

I don't know about elsewhere, but there was no noticeable Labour EU election campaign where I am. I was complaining about it on Wednesday as I felt Claire Moody was receiving next to no help from the party in trying to retain her seat, in contrast to the efforts of the Green Party to get Molly Scott Cato re-elected.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 27 May, 2019 11:23 am

Maybe a slightly different angle. As I said yesterday (?) It would be relatively simple for a new Tory leader like Hunt to bring a WAB to the House that Labour has already agreed to in the "talks" .

I wonder if the rapid shift articulated by Thornberry is to avoid that possibility and allow Labour to call no confidence in whoever is selected.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 1:40 pm

Apparently Corbyn's only response to the EU election result so far has been a post on facebook.....

After everything, the Cambridge Analytica scandal, the strangely and illegally co-ordinated use of Aggregate IQ by all the leave campaigns, the dark money and Bannon/Mercer associations, all with facebook at the very heart of it....

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 2:05 pm

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Corbynism is now in crisis: the only way forward is to oppose Brexit

Paul Mason ruffling a few feathers this morning.

Whatever your view, he is surely at least right that the reaction from Labour needs to be rather more than a shrug and more of the same, as has been the case of late.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 2:11 pm

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European elections 2019: Jeremy Corbyn refuses to explicitly back another referendum

...a shrug and more of the same.....

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 27 May, 2019 3:09 pm

He is now saying either an election or another vote, isn't he? Doing an actual deal with the government seems to be dead.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 3:39 pm

It sounds exactly the same as he was saying last week, last month, last year, to me. General election, Labour's WA, maybe a referendum, waffle, waffle.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 27 May, 2019 3:54 pm

No, because he's not talking about an agreement any more?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 27 May, 2019 4:33 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:No, because he's not talking about an agreement any more?

"There has to be an agreement with the European Union and then there has to be a public vote".

It's in the clip I linked to. His choice of words for his response to the EU election results. It's just more of the same. He only mentions a referendum at all after being directly asked about one and only after he repeats the bit about a general election.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 27 May, 2019 9:00 pm

I feel that Labour would have lost many of the Labour "outers" to the "Brexit" Party anyway. They have now lost the "remainers". I believe that a goodly proportion of the former will stay lost as long as the EU is an issue (unless the "Brexit" Party produces a manifesto which truthfully reflects their aims - and I wouldn't put money on the chances of that happening), and winning back the latter group will be very difficult - and may become impossible if Jeremy Corbyn doesn't act decisively, and soon. I know I've more or less given up on him. Especially after his comments today. He shows no sign of moving with the times - stuck, as he is, somewhere in the 1970s.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 12:32 am

He is in the '70's; can't really argue with that.Expected continued amplified personality/person thing reverberation.Stepping outside for a nanosecond and reflect occasionally is a rare occurence.I couldn't give a flying hoo-hah as to particular figurehead.Obsession about personalities has inevitable consequences.The so called transformation is hyperbolic temporal piffle beyond the rhetoric and radical imaginary.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 12:34 am

Mason now on the the keeptheToriesIn hitlist.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 12:36 am

We never have picked a PM.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 12:37 am

I shudder to think if we did.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 12:40 am

The real winners were the can't be arsed/sick of bloody heariing about it/refuse to take part.We have zero idea as to,if more had voted, as to which way.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 12:41 am

Correction,we all have an idea to suit our own view.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 12:48 am

I would say Labour is somewhat stuck simultaneously between dangerous Marxist/bound to dissatisfy the "true"Socialists" equal misperceptions,which was always the danger of the "pitch".

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 1:05 am

I'm in the voted but sick of hearing about it camp,so shoot me.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 1:07 am

Even though I posted results and just mentioned it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 1:23 am

Better not be '73,May in particular.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 1:27 am

A return to some '70's cross party consensual thinking would be good (or more correctly effective policies that match the words).Can you imagine a plethora of bespoke benefit and welfare introductions/expansions from naught,rather than being targeted for reductions/removals/presented as burdensome/unfair

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 2:34 am

Note the consensual,Keith Joseph was responsible for the expansion of the home help service and a sponsor of the introduction of ICA (predecessor of CA).That some on the extreme right have a far more "generous" attitude than the mainstream,I find interesting (and against the easy fit)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 2:42 am

Maybe a function of knowledge,I find it hard to grasp the" lack of" necessary to play the I didn't vote for this card when clear on a bare grasp of,or indeed reading beyond provided crib sheets.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 2:47 am

Impossible to grasp of course ie.total bullshit,within minimal time of introduction is quite clear,the years of self delusional/ignoring necessary isn't sustainable.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 3:37 am

One question the "evil Thatch put X million on the not sick on sickness benefits"never answer (rather than purposeful expansion of legacy to attend to deinstitutionalism (pre DLA a necessity)never answer is to account for the numbers not going down.So are people that shouldn't be on them or not or mysteriously dependent on which Party is in Government?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 3:41 am

Another,if presenting for years as not really sick what did they think would be the inevitable consequences other than attending to those not really sick,equally how did the not really sick become really sick on a change of Government?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 3:44 am

If eligibility was deliberately loosened is an "evil"act how is the reverse equally "evil"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 3:47 am

Has that particular consensual misanthropy/false portrayal finally ended or reframed by "inactivity"-which encompasses a variety of situations?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 3:53 am

You see years of "sitting at home/inactivity"propaganda rather irks given twice as much effort as full time work/far more contributive regardless of how framed or which party.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 28 May, 2019 4:25 am

Or indeed the very idea that a party could buy my/ou r acquiescence with a few quid a week or any amount of money in the pursuance of best as can be life(lives)