Wednesday 29th May 2019

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:07 pm

I see no reason to doubt the motive/reason that he stated,whatever you think of them or him.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:10 pm

Ian Lavery:

It does feel that a certain portion of ‘leftwing intellectuals’ are sneering at ordinary people.

Thanks Ian, I've never thought of myself as an intellectual before, that's really kind of you.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:11 pm

With respect,sneering is rather your modus operandi,but that isn't contingent on being an intellectual,or not.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:22 pm

Don't think I'm on any hitlists either.

Must try harder!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:33 pm

Not on a hitlist hitlist,sorted.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:41 pm

Sky was supposed to come back with
"as you,of all people ,should know" or similar.

Our double act needs some work.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:41 pm

I find it rather ironic that I stopped supporting Labour and joined the Lib-Dems precisely because of the machinations of Alastair Campbell and his ilk.

I might share his brexit views but then I also remember Walter Wolfgang being forcibly removed from a conference for criticising the Iraq war and arrested under anti-terror laws so can't say I feel a great deal of sympathy for Campbell's plight. I think it was daft and counterproductive to kick him out of the party but he'd do well to remember the authoritarian nonsense he and Blair indulged in before claiming to be any kind of martyr.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:46 pm

Sorry Hindle, was trying to get a wasp to go out of the window by standing at a distance and offering it helpful directions.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:50 pm

"life of the rich and infamous"

Did it get it's library book that you borrowed back?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:51 pm

Big readers wasps in my experience,particularly like crime thrillers.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:52 pm

Bees have a penchant for science fiction.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:55 pm

Not really being on a hitlist, but I did get banned from the members only official Lib-Dem forum 'Lib-Dem voice' for being "relentlessly negative" during the coalition.

Needless to say i had the last laugh.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:55 pm

I've never seen a penguin reading a penguin book.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:57 pm

Though the Guardian once,I helped with the crossword.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 4:59 pm

They have me a couple of fish as a thankyou.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 5:01 pm

"It's my world and I'll invent it if I want to"

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 29 May, 2019 5:08 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
HindleA wrote:He was asked,was it better then to lie?.Whatever your view the stench of hypocrisy of historical and present fervent anti Labourists with a tenuous or even non existent link with the Party rather than myth,is rank.IMHO.
Fair point, but readily enough avoided with a simple who I vote for is my business, which is widely accepted answer to what is quite a personal question.

IMHO Campbell knew precisely what he was doing and what the consequences would be. That may be admirable or not. I'm just interested in his motives.

Whatever else you say about Campbell, he knows how to use words. He could easily have left little doubt how he had voted without explicitly saying so.

Oh and re Sky's above post, Walter Wolfgang's passing has just been announced at the age of 95.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 5:11 pm

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 5:14 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0005jpf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 5:39 pm

Elephants tend to like romance

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 29 May, 2019 5:55 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/201 ... glish-city

John Cleese criticised for saying London no longer an English city

Some years ago I opined that London was not really an English city any more

Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation

So there must be some truth in it...

I note also that London was the UK city that voted most strongly to remain in the EU

Where on Earth to begin with this?

Edinburgh had the highest remain vote in the UK, and Manchester also had a higher remain vote than London so he hasn't even got that right.

And as a wealthy tax avoiding 'ex-pat' immigrant to Saint Kitts and Nevis what precisely does he think he is saying? That it's ok for rich people like him to swan off to another country for tax purposes but somehow the less wealthy moving around the world for their own financial reasons is somehow bad? Wouldn't that make him a colossal hypocrite? And why is it bad? Edinburgh is Scotland's most multicultural city but you'd be hard pressed to find any Scots or anyone else claiming it wasn't Scottish. He seems to be morphing into precisely the kind of thoughtless, parochial, narrow minded fool he played in Fawlty Towers only this time it isn't a parody, he's just being a dick.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 29 May, 2019 6:05 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh and re Sky's above post, Walter Wolfgang's passing has just been announced at the age of 95.

I'm really sad to hear that, his treatment that day was appaling and in sharp contrast to the wit and good nature he chose to respond with.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 6:11 pm

@Sky,a bit late now but it would be appreciated of you didn't mention my name from now on.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 6:13 pm

Who needs a hitlist when you have the power of a mere mention.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 May, 2019 6:24 pm

HindleA - taking the P out of PTO since, well, since today, really.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 May, 2019 6:30 pm

Jacob Rees-Mogg's Victorians has sold 734 copies (Guardian)

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 29 May, 2019 6:34 pm

HindleA wrote:@Sky,a bit late now but it would be appreciated of you didn't mention my name from now on.

Most prudent.

Perhaps I could endow you with a nom de guerre? How does 'Spanky' sound?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 6:58 pm

Er...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 7:14 pm

Good evening, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 7:20 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Jacob Rees-Mogg's Victorians has sold 734 copies (Guardian)

The south-west, home to Rees-Mogg’s constituency of North East Somerset, could only account for 22 copies.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 7:46 pm

Government spends almost £100m on Brexit consultants
Exclusive: leaked Whitehall report criticises departments for lack of transparency
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... onsultants" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How is Tory government going to pay for this?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 29 May, 2019 7:51 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Sorry Hindle, was trying to get a wasp to go out of the window by standing at a distance and offering it helpful directions.

A bit like Jeremy Corbyn with Margaret Hodge!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 7:55 pm

Nearly three years after the referendum, Westminster has still not come to terms with the grievances that drove the result
---
...the time is filled with displacement activity.
- Aditya Chakrabortty

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 May, 2019 7:58 pm

@PaulfromYorkshire

I saw that! They know where you live . . .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 29 May, 2019 7:59 pm

PorFavor wrote:@PaulfromYorkshire

I saw that! They know where you live . . .

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:01 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Sorry Hindle, was trying to get a wasp to go out of the window by standing at a distance and offering it helpful directions.

It wants to go out into the light. Leave a window wide open and tell it to go. Use a cloth to maneuver it out.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:06 pm

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:06 pm

Tories find someone else's money for their policies and aren't held accountable for their profligacy

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:15 pm

Threatening to recount the 1973/4 football league season in some detail usually has a wasp finding an escape route with alacrity ,I find.Not just wasps it has to be said.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:18 pm

I kept a diary.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:18 pm

It only seems like 4,900 years ago.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:24 pm

https://www.bond.org.uk/news/2019/04/5- ... ar-to-hope" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:26 pm

https://socialcarefuture.blog/2019/05/2 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.caremanagementmatters.co.uk ... rceptions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:41 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.bond.org.uk/news/2019/04/5- ... ar-to-hope

good article

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:42 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... lks-falter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 8:44 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... labour-cnd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 May, 2019 9:14 pm

Brexit party in talks to join far-right group in EU parliament

MEP from Italy’s League party says discussions with Nigel Farage have been going well
(Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... parliament

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 9:32 pm

https://www.channel4.com/news/woman-who ... assessment" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A similar,related narrative change is necessary IMHO not least to combat the myriad of myths as to what support means (or should mean-work/participation should be a fundamental right regardless with no strings attached,rather than a relentless battle for far too many in effect to write yourself off to get support.

PTO after two

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 29 May, 2019 9:34 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 29 May, 2019 9:35 pm

@citizenJA

Night night.

Edited to add

- PTO