Monday 10th June 2019

Post by **refitman** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 7:03 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 9:34 am

Tax cuts
Tax cuts
Tax cuts
Reduction in abortion rights
Tax cuts

Thrilling contest, so much variety to choose from.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:17 am

Good morfternoon.

I wonder if Michael Gove thought that his drug admission was a canny move or if someone threatened to reveal all (with evidence?) and so he was forced to get in first.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:21 am

Willow904 wrote:Tax cuts
Tax cuts
Tax cuts
Reduction in abortion rights

Tax cuts for higher earner
NI increase for everyone (apart from pensioners)

Thrilling contest, so much variety to choose from.

Fixed that for you...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:24 am

Re Gove - I see the apologists were out in force...

Quentin Letts
@thequentinletts
Am not sure I give the remotest monkey's about M Gove's youthful drug-taking. Teetotal goodie-goodies are more worrying.
5:01 PM · Jun 9, 2019 · Mobile Web (M2)

I might be wrong but I don't recall being in your 30s counts as "youthful"...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:26 am

Andrea Leadsom's word of the day is "feasible".

Brings back memories.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:31 am

I wonder...can he?

Rory Stewart
@RoryStewartUK
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14h
I will not promise tax cuts or spending which we cannot afford. If we can deliver a pragmatic Brexit my priority would be investing more in Education (particularly mid-life), Infrastructure (particularly in the North) and Housing. But let’s be sensible...please...

Post by **adam** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:34 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Re Gove - I see the apologists were out in force...

Quentin Letts
@thequentinletts
Am not sure I give the remotest monkey's about M Gove's youthful drug-taking. Teetotal goodie-goodies are more worrying.
5:01 PM · Jun 9, 2019 · Mobile Web (M2)
I might be wrong but I don't recall being in your 30s counts as "youthful"...

Toby Young claimed 'youthful indiscretion over things he'd been saying on Twitter, even though Twitter didn't exist until he was in his 40s.

Gove oversaw the introduction of rules that saw teachers struck off for Class A drug use.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:47 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

I wonder if Michael Gove thought that his drug admission was a canny move or if someone threatened to reveal all (with evidence?) and so he was forced to get in first.

It's weird that only Gove is getting hammered over this. I don't remember the media being very interested in the gossip about Osborne when he was chancellor, or this about Boris Johnson:

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Natalie Rowe
@RealNatalieRowe
HOLD ON A SEC @BorisJohnson there is NO WAY that your ‘ encounter ‘ with Cocaine was in your University days, you were snorting the stuff up like Nobodies business at the Party in Knightsbridge where you racially abused me and that was early 90’s you absolute LIAR
5:55 PM · Jun 9, 2019

Apparently it's only a problem if you're honest about it and admit it, which does beg the question why Gove would do so when it appears the media are quite happy to turn a blind eye to substantiated third party evidence as long as the minister in question declines to confirm it.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:51 am

adam wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Toby Young claimed 'youthful indiscretion over things he'd been saying on Twitter, even though Twitter didn't exist until he was in his 40s.

Gove oversaw the introduction of rules that saw teachers struck off for Class A drug use.

I'm sure it's just pure coincidence but that's who I saw had retweeted Letts...maybe they're admitting that the right don't tend to grow up until much later than normal people?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 10:59 am

I gather Victoria Derbyshire just did the Jeremy C*** thing

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 11:06 am

Willow904 wrote:Tax cuts
Tax cuts
Tax cuts
Reduction in abortion rights
Tax cuts

Thrilling contest, so much variety to choose from.

Don't forget suspending parliament, that's a bit of variety.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 11:14 am

Oops.

UK economy hit by 'dramatic' fall in car output

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48579630

A "dramatic" fall in car production and an easing of stockpiling by manufacturers meant the economy shrank in April, official figures show.

The economy contracted 0.4% from the month before, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

The contraction meant growth for the three months to April slowed to 0.3%.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 11:17 am

Yep.

Jess Phillips
@jessphillips
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2h
I honestly don't know how you could look at the options of how to spend billions and think "Don't worry those who earn £52k higher than the average salary in the UK, I've got your back."

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 11:20 am

Dominic Raab may (according to himself) be the person to deliver "Brexit", but he certainly isn't the person to deliver a speech.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 11:22 am

Behind the paywall but Paul Johnson of the IFS pretty much sums up the position of the candidates right now.

Promises, promises: Tory leadership candidates are horrifying Whitehall

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/busi ... -xf9n92cmc

Walk down Horse Guards Road, pass the back entrance to Downing Street and the Foreign Office, enjoy the views across St James’s Park and approach the grand entrance to the Treasury. A soft, intermittent thudding sound becomes apparent, the sound of Treasury officials’ heads gently banging on desks as they listen to the promises being made by the contenders vying to become the new first Lord of the Treasury, better known as the prime minister.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 11:29 am

Oh, and that abolition of VAT and replacing by a sales tax that Gove wants?

Paul Johnson
@PJTheEconomist
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4h
Replying to
@PJTheEconomist
and
@thetimes
You can't abolish VAT, which raises £140bn a year, and replace with a sales tax. Not a matter of principle but of practicality.

Sales tax at current VAT rate would not work. That's why all OECD countries bar the US, which has very low rates have a VAT as do nearly 170 worldwide

Maybe not then.

This is Leavers Brexit all over again - absurd promises with no foundation in reality.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 12:15 pm

Hurrah! Jeremy Hunt has a solution to the Irish border problem no one's thought of yet! Jammy git! Theresa May will be spitting. If only he'd shared it with her she could have enjoyed the glory of thrashing it out with Angela Merkel instead of being done up like a kipper by that Barnier bloke.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 12:16 pm

PorFavor wrote:Dominic Raab may (according to himself) be the person to deliver "Brexit", but he certainly isn't the person to deliver a speech.

And we can be grateful for that, a demagogic type proposing what he does might be genuinely dangerous.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 1:08 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Dominic Raab may (according to himself) be the person to deliver "Brexit", but he certainly isn't the person to deliver a speech.
And we can be grateful for that, a demagogic type proposing what he does might be genuinely dangerous.

Very true.

Post by **refitman** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 1:08 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

I wonder if Michael Gove thought that his drug admission was a canny move or if someone threatened to reveal all (with evidence?) and so he was forced to get in first.

It was going to be revealed in a book that's coming out soon. So he 'tried to get ahead' of it.

Post by **adam** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 1:40 pm

Somebody has described McVey as 'the kind of person who would unplug your life support machine so she could charge her phone'.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 1:55 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 1:56 pm

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 2:04 pm

HindleA wrote:https://mydaftlife.com/2019/06/09/we-re ... ssion=true

“Over two thirds of MS claimants receive the same or a higher award after DLA to PIP reassessment, and we work closely with organisations such as the MS Society to ensure that PIP is working well.”

Just under a third of MS claimants have received a lower or no award after DLA to PIP reassessment.

A third.

Utter bastards.

Post by **adam** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 2:15 pm

Willow904 wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://mydaftlife.com/2019/06/09/we-re ... ssion=true

“Over two thirds of MS claimants receive the same or a higher award after DLA to PIP reassessment, and we work closely with organisations such as the MS Society to ensure that PIP is working well.”
Just under a third of MS claimants have received a lower or no award after DLA to PIP reassessment.

A third.

Utter bastards.

I'm not sure about this but it appeared to us that as the transition was starting there seemed to be a policy that instead of being entitled to DLA to 16 if you type 1 diabates, you were only entitled until you were 12. We successfully appealed (and we won in part because of the absurdity of having a 15 year old who qualified and a 12 year old with exactly the same condition who didn't).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 2:44 pm

adam wrote:Somebody has described McVey as 'the kind of person who would unplug your life support machine so she could charge her phone'.

And she is another chance to observe pundits playing their now familiar "anybody who has a regional accent MUST be working class" game.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 4:23 pm

The "to the most vulnerable /those that really need it " is so pernicious;extra costs retain.Either we decide to account for sickness/disability ,and cash used as wished is evidentially the best way,not least in economic terms or continue
on the misanthropic ,alternative far mote expensive route but as Willow says,too many resent such cost saving accounting as "unfair"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 4:29 pm

The most underclaimed allowance.We "see" early judicious investment that saves far more in the long run .As ever,the DWP undermines

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 4:34 pm

Both the DWP and Home Office need to be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 5:29 pm

Tom Peck on Matt Hancock's campaign launch...

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Tom Peck
@tompeck
Reaching his high crescendo, Matt Hancock shouts, “I’m fed up with this rancour!”

A large percentage of the sketch writers guild has a terrible outbreak of the giggles.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 5:36 pm

I presume everybody here is aware of the old Roy Jenkins/Dennis Skinner gag regarding that word?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 5:37 pm

Looking at the replies to this Express poll, it's probably not going the way they hoped...

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 5:56 pm

Tim Stanley
@timothy_stanley
·
20m
Nominations for Tory leader have now closed and we move onto round one: the urine sample.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 6:06 pm

Cheryl Gillan, a member of the 1922 Committee executive, is now reading out the names of the candidates who have had their nomination accepted. They are:

Michael Gove

Matthew Hancock

Mark Harper

Jeremy Hunt

Sajid Javid

Boris Johnson

Andrea Leadsom

Esther McVey

Dominic Raab

Rory Stewart

Gillan says there are 10 valid nominations.

So that's all of them given Gyimah dropped out this afternoon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 6:49 pm

Squirrels.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 7:09 pm

I've just been reading the government reaction to the BBC ending free TV licence for all over-75's and now means testing it.

Prime Minister Theresa May said she was "very disappointed" with the BBC's decision.

A government spokesperson said: "We've been clear that we want and expect the BBC to continue this concession.

"People across the country value television as a way to stay connected, and we want the BBC to look at further ways to support older people.

"Taxpayers want to see the BBC using its substantial licence fee income in an appropriate way to ensure it delivers for UK audiences, which includes showing restraint on salaries for senior staff."

As was said at the time it was transferred to the BBC from the DWP, this was so that the BBC would be blamed when they cut it back.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 7:49 pm

Good evening, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 7:59 pm

Tory leadership campaigns: 1922 Committee confirms 10 candidates on ballot for first vote – live news
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A minority Tory government wasting everyone's time and resources

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 8:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Both the DWP and Home Office need to be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch.

Yes

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 8:16 pm

Do they have confidence in their government right now?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 8:27 pm

Simon Jenkins wrote:"Gove has shown himself capable in three high offices of state: education, justice and the environment. Amid the current no-deal Brexit hysteria, he has shown a pragmatism that offers some hope of reaching a plausible trading relationship with the EU. His qualities at present are of critical importance to the state."

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 9:01 pm

Gove wasn't "capable" at education - him and his deranged adviser decided to wage war on local authorities, told lies to the public about who ran LA schools, and bribed school to become academies.

And when there were so many of them that the DfE realised they wouldn't be able to cope they came up with an on the hoof policy of Regional School Commissioners with no real idea about how it was going to work.

He completely botched curriculum reform and his History curriculum was so laughably bad and unworkable that it had to be revised so much that it ended up looking like the previous one.

More "meddling" than "capable" - I know a lot of the loud voices on edu twitter liked him but they tend to look at the rhetoric and not the detail.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 10 Jun, 2019 11:06 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 11 Jun, 2019 12:01 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:I've just been reading the government reaction to the BBC ending free TV licence for all over-75's and now means testing it.

Prime Minister Theresa May said she was "very disappointed" with the BBC's decision.

A government spokesperson said: "We've been clear that we want and expect the BBC to continue this concession.

"People across the country value television as a way to stay connected, and we want the BBC to look at further ways to support older people.

"Taxpayers want to see the BBC using its substantial licence fee income in an appropriate way to ensure it delivers for UK audiences, which includes showing restraint on salaries for senior staff."
As was said at the time it was transferred to the BBC from the DWP, this was so that the BBC would be blamed when they cut it back.

I think many will still blame the government though.