Friday 14th June 2019

Post by **refitman** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 7:04 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 7:59 am

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-m ... remy-hunt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Revealed: Climate change denier makes big donations to Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt

Always worth keeping an eye on who's bankrolling these charlatans.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:24 am

Later pipit on manoeuvres says Boris Johnson is a champion of equality (5,5).

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:33 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Later pipit on manoeuvres says Boris Johnson is a champion of equality (5,5).

I heard the interview - as loud and obnoxious as ever.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:37 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Later pipit on manoeuvres says Boris Johnson is a champion of equality (5,5).
I heard the interview - as loud and obnoxious as ever.

Glad I missed it!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:55 am

Yeah, this bit.

LittleGravitas - Révocateur
@LittleGravitas
·
30m
According to Priti Patel
@patel4witham
, it is "not for other people to determine the parameters of the Conservative Party leadership election campaign".

Despite the winner of that campaign being foisted upon the UK as the new Prime Minister.

Outrageous.

@BBCr4today

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 9:31 am

Good morfternoon.

Meanwhile, Rory Stewart, who came seventh in the first ballot of Tory MPs, now says he could serve in a Cabinet led by Boris Johnson after previously ruling that out. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Whilst walking on the road to Damascus, presumably. (I await further details on the story.)

Edited - tidy up

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 10:24 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ammed-amin" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I saw Mohammed Amin with Adam Boulton just now, he was stressing Johnson's lack of integrity rather than racism, citing one of the many examples of him lying through his teeth.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 10:28 am

The Tories cannot face the truth of what they’ve done, so they’re sending for their biggest liar

I haven't read the piece yet but that's a very good line.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 10:56 am

gilsey wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ammed-amin

I saw Mohammed Amin with Adam Boulton just now, he was stressing Johnson's lack of integrity rather than racism, citing one of the many examples of him lying through his teeth.

Yes - Mohammed Amin was very clear-headed.

Post by **adam** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 11:04 am

Hancock is pulling out of the contest. No word on what he'll do next.

Stewart is refusing to answer his own point about whether Johnson can be trusted with the Nuclear codes. It's worth remembering that Stewart has reliably voted with the government on these issues so far - he is not one of the 13 or so (Soames, Letwin, Grieve and so on) who have voted against and at least some of who have talked in the past about not staying under the Tory whip under Johnson.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 11:43 am

gilsey wrote:The Tories cannot face the truth of what they’ve done, so they’re sending for their biggest liar

I haven't read the piece yet but that's a very good line.

Yes. Nail on head.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 12:15 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Meanwhile, Rory Stewart, who came seventh in the first ballot of Tory MPs, now says he could serve in a Cabinet led by Boris Johnson after previously ruling that out. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Whilst walking on the road to Damascus, presumably. (I await further details on the story.)

Edited - tidy up

The line I heard was he would be willing to do this "to pick up the pieces after a no deal Brexit". PM Johnson *could* be finished by the fallout from that anyway.......

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 12:17 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 12:38 pm

So Lodr Sugar comes out in favour of someone who previously said "fuck business' and who he thought ought to have been in jail or at least prosecuted for the lies he told over the Leave campaign?

How...interesting.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 12:50 pm

As in chancer backs another chancer, you mean?

I'm shocked.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 1:29 pm

Bit dangerous this tactic - not being there and hence allowing your opponents to say stuff about you. Let's hope C4 don't go for the "You can't say anything about Boris as he's not here" line.

Sebastian Payne
@SebastianEPayne
Confirmed:
@BorisJohnson
will *not* be participating in the Channel 4 Tory leadership debate this Sunday.

Sources on his campaign said they were worried about “a mass blue-on-blue attacks, the structure of the debate and hostile briefings made by the Channel 4 team.”

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 2:10 pm

That would be a quite ridiculous demand from them and make the whole "debate" pointless.

So it will probably happen......

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 2:29 pm

Robert Hutton
@RobDotHutton
·
5h
Charles Moore, former editor of the Spectator, Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph, authorised biographer of Margaret Thatcher, is on
@BBCr4today
attacking "the mainstream media establishment". What a time to be alive.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 2:53 pm

Breaking : Chuka Umunna quits Lib Dems, dons kilt & joins SNP. "I have worked all my political life for an independent Scotland" said McUmunna.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 3:18 pm

"I've never felt comfortable with unionism"

Post by **adam** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 3:52 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Breaking : Chuka Umunna quits Lib Dems, dons kilt & joins SNP. "I have worked all my political life for an independent Scotland" said McUmunna.

Latest: True Cornishman Chuka Umunna quits SNP and joins Mebyon Kernow. "I'm only really myself west of the Tamar" declared Umunna between mouthfuls of clotted cream.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 4:23 pm

He'll be in Monster Raving Looney by this time next week.

Screaming Lord Chuka?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 4:32 pm

Making fun of him is easy, but that doesn't make it any less enjoyable.

Keep 'em coming!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 5:15 pm

Umunna's recent words and actions are disappointing.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 5:31 pm

When I spoke to Corbyn in advance of this year’s Bloomsday – 16 June, the day in 1904 on which the events of Joyce’s Dublin mock epic are set – he recalled first reading it in the early 80s while travelling round Europe and north Africa by train.
“A very great Irish friend of mine told me 15 years or so before the journey that I had to read Ulysses. It was the perfect company on the train journey, which was endless.” He says, like many people, at first he found the book “incomprehensible”. But then “you stop trying to focus on the narrative and start just enjoying the vignettes”.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/ ... erstand-it" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ulysses is Corbyn's favourite novel. I like it a lot too. It's perfect company for what seems like endless Tory disaster government.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 5:45 pm

I read the last page to Mr citizen late one night and he was tired and I knew he was just being polite at first but then I think he realised I sometimes think, talk and write like Joyce wrote without my being aware I'm sometimes incomprehensible.

edited to add
Mr citizen likes me though I'm sometimes incomprehensible.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 6:54 pm

“Joyce references and richly describes what’s happening in the street,” he says. “So somebody is holding forth about a big political issue and then the refuse cart goes by. Whenever there is a big political issue on, I walk around the streets in my area. We might be totally obsessed with Brexit or some other issue but many people are not. Their daily lives are more important. Politicians should never forget that people have lives to lead and they often have dreams they don’t talk about.”

from Corbyn, same article

Should politicians walk around the streets in their area and think about what's important to people not making headlines? Or is it a waste of time? Does a politician pandering to media and playing their game help more people and their country by forgetting?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 7:14 pm

Is it possible for a politician to do both?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 7:56 pm

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http://lartsocial.org/disexpintrnl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:16 pm

Does anyone know what Arlene Foster thinks about Boris Johnson?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:29 pm

Three local council byelections yesterday:

North Kesteven DC - this contest was to decide the only "unfilled" seat for last months elections (just one Tory was elected unopposed for this two member ward) and it was a Tory gain from the localist Lincolnshire Independents with close to half the vote, beating the LincsInds by precisely 2 to 1. This thus breaks the previous pattern here of 1Con/1Ind being returned in 2015, 2011 (this one also unopposed) and 2007 which was the first election here after boundary changes. The Tories were helped by another Independent polling over 10% (though that was down on their previous showing in 2015) closely followed by the LibDems and then Labour on less than 7%, more than halved on four years ago. A final Indy was last with barely 1%.

Broxtowe DC - two LibDem gains from the Tories in this deferred election which thus confirms the anti-Tory alliance that took control here last month. LibDems won over 45% of the vote and had a double figure swing, thus restoring things in this ward to where they were in 2003, 2007 and 2011 when they won both seats (though it was close on the latter occasion) before the Tories took both seats four years ago aided by some former LibDems taking a significant vote as Independents. There was no such intervention this time though, whilst Labour - a close second in both 2011 and 2015 though behind a different party both times - dropped a few points to 23%, finishing just behind the Tories.

North Devon DC - Tory gain from Independent in the second deferred contest this week, this was always going to be a gain of some description as no Indy stood this time despite winning this single member ward at every election since 2003 - then and in 2011 they were unopposed, easily seeing off a single LibDem in between - but four years ago the Tories made this competitive and they now advanced by 7 points to 40% which was enough to win against a divided opposition. Greens trebled their 2015 to over 30% and runners up spot, ahead of the LibDems who would have won an overall majority on this council had they won, but they could not continue last month's sweeping gains now - though it was still respectable vote after a 12 year absence, especially compared to the last placed Labour candidate's 2%.

Seven contests next week, including the final three deferred polls from a month ago.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:30 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Does anyone know what Arlene Foster thinks about Boris Johnson?

No. It's a good question.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:31 pm

When's the general election? It must be imminent because the minority government has failed.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:52 pm

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Moaning Minnie here - I can't get the first link to work.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 8:58 pm

Fixed

Just call me Refitman

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 10:03 pm

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Another great dig at Chuka including a cracking response from the Grim Squeaker

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 14 Jun, 2019 10:16 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 1:32 am

"Ulysses" a classic scathing critique against rife anti-semitism across the board,of course.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 1:33 am

So it can't be Corbyn's favourite book,or something.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 1:40 am

IE they (mis)use benefit amounts (ie the "services added on top to inflate,now just saying benefits).UK is unusual in providing bespoke cash.They know what they are doing.Of course in doing so ,all other things being equal we get far more bang for buck.A double whammy of deceit in that the very characteristic that works is not only misrepresented but used against.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 2:15 am

https://ounews.co/education-languages-h ... rt-carers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Open University launches scholarship fund to support carers

So the providers and a legal right for councils to have to consider in assessment,guess which organisation puts a limit on hours of study if on CA?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 2:23 am

https://moneyweek.com/508903/state-says ... ums-wrong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Approximately 360,000 people have been given incorrect forecasts of their state pension benefits, the government has confirmed.

Some 3% of all online forecasts issued to savers since 2016 are incorrect, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) says, often overstating what people are entitled to by £1,000 a year.

The announcement follows warnings from pension specialists that the DWP’s electronic records of many people’s work histories are patchy.

In particular, they may miss out periods when people had opted out of the state earnings-related pension scheme in the 1980s and 1990s, during which time they weren’t building up state pension entitlement at the normal rate.

The DWP now says an investigation into its forecasting shows that up to 3% of the online statements requested by people checking their state pensions have been affected by these omissions.

Its paper-based forecasts, issued to those who write in to formally request a benefits statement rather than using the automated online system, are thought to be much more accurate.

The upshot is that anyone who has received a forecast in the past three years should now double-check their position, particularly if they have opted out of the state system at any time in the past"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 15 Jun, 2019 5:57 am

"benefit statement";which of course it is despite the never been on benefitists self deception.