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Re: Saturday 15th June & Sunday 16th June 2019

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Willow904 wrote:Anyone here actually watching the debate?

Can't quite bring myself to it, even sans Boris.
I was while I was ironing but finished that now so it's been turned off.

I like Chris Cook's idea.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Rory Stewart chose silly analogy of trying to stuff the bin bags in a dustbin that's too small to illustrate the futility of No Deal Brexit.

Cynical attempt to appeal to the "blue rinse" demographic?

Yes - it was a bit rubbish (boo-boom).
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:Anyone here actually watching the debate?

Can't quite bring myself to it, even sans Boris.
I watched a bit. Utterly uninspiring. Gove perhaps the Most persuasive.
Eek!
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Gove says the government’s approach to knife crime should not be about law and order. “It should be about love and hope.”
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Raab says he would boost apprenticeships.

Hunt says he wants to do more on social care. His grandmother died at the age of 100. Everyone should be able to die with dignity. That does not happen at the moment.

He says social care is unfinished business.

Gove says children are his top priority.

He says there needs to be more technical education.
If only they had been in positions to affect some kind of change? If they'd been part of some government or other for the past decade?
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PorFavor wrote:
Gove says the government’s approach to knife crime should not be about law and order. “It should be about love and hope.”
Ummm......

Not going for the traditional Tory base, then. Or just not prepared to spend any money on policing that could go on tax cuts...
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Gove says children are his top priority.
That's quite scary.

It's seems likely Boris Johnson isn't the only potential Tory PM who poses a clear and present danger to this country.

When Theresa May became leader she was considered the best of a bad lot. For all she's been both horrendous and hopeless, that first impression wasn't necessarily a wrong one. It could still be the case she was, indeed, the very best the Tories have to offer.
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You're just trying to cheer us up, obviously :x
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I noticed that Dominic Raab failed to get any audience applause for his peroration. Although he was the last up so, to be kind (why?), it may have been just bad floor management.



Edited - tidy up

And again - failed the first time
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Willow904 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Gove says the government’s approach to knife crime should not be about law and order. “It should be about love and hope.”
Ummm......

Not going for the traditional Tory base, then. Or just not prepared to spend any money on policing that could go on tax cuts...
Indeed my comment above about Gove was precisely that I felt he was best in the bit I saw at speaking to the Tory membership.
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One of my friends on FB just pointed out that Gove had deep Unionist leanings and even knows the words to Unionist songs.

Apparently he wrote a pamphlet about the Good Froday Agreement which can be read online.

http://www.finfacts.ie/MichaelGove.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And what is the title of Chapter 2?

2 The Trojan Horse

That's not the only time he used that in a work - it was in his book 7/7 as well.

Whoever wrote that note about Islamic entryism in Birmingham schools must have known that. And strangely enough, nobody managed to ascertain who actually wrote that note letter...
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Willow904 wrote:I've never liked Joyce very much.

I find his style of writing deeply irritating, to the point that I can't be bothered to put in the effort to work out what he's trying to say.

I can accept he's a good writer and others appreciate his work but he does nothing for me personally.

Rather like I feel about Corbyn, tbh. I bet he's a Faulkner fan too.....it would explain so much....
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I thought of having another go recently after reading something about Homer and Joyce because I was teaching a very a-b-c version of 'The Odyssey' to a Y8 class and Ulysses is supposed to be built around the narrative ideas of The Odyssey. It's one of those things where I don't know how to approach it without thinking it's going to be a job of work and I'm just not sure I can be bothered.
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adam wrote:Ulysses is supposed to be built around the narrative ideas of The Odyssey.
Believe it or not I've got a Classics degree and I've read Joyce's Ulysses and found little if any correlation between the two.

The Odyssey has monsters and jealous gods and loads of cool stuff.

Whereas Ulysses is...for enthusiasts who like to think dense confusing verbiage is worthy in and of itself.

They're like the prog-rockers of the literary world.
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Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
adam wrote:
Whereas Ulysses is...for enthusiasts who like to think dense confusing verbiage is worthy in and of itself.

They're like the prog-rockers of the literary world.
:lol:
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Good grief, I actually agree with Kate Andrews!
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So I'm presuming this Tory debate thing was an utter waste of time?

None of us get to vote so what was the point in watching it?

They're all cunts.

Lying, deluded cunts pandering to a tiny subset of people I despise.

In fact it's worse than that, they are dumbing themselves down and speaking untruths and stoking prejudice to gain power.

And that deserves nothing but contempt.

Absolute, unmitigating contempt.

I wouldn't piss on these people if they were on fire.

But I would piss on them if they weren't.
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Anyway saw many male meadow pippets doing their splendidly entertaining displays today and there was a rather heartening number of skylarks about.

Sadly not many swallows or Martins. I fear it raining for a fortnight has really screwed them and they've gone elsewhere but will be back to try again once the sun comes out.

If it ever does.
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