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Monday 24h June 2019

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Morning all.
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Morning all.

When Nick Robinson asks of someone "Is it factually correct..." then the answer almost certainly is "No. No, it isn't."

But try getting Pritti Patel to give a straight answer to that question. Awful woman.
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Quite.
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Like Liz Truss yesterday, Priti Patel having an absolute shocker trying to defend Boris Johnson on the radio. Could it be any worse if he actually did these interviews himself? #r4today
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... p-un-envoy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Austerity and inequality fuelling mental illness, says top UN envoy
Exclusive: Special rapporteur on health says social justice more important for mental health than therapy and medication
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Quite.
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Like Liz Truss yesterday, Priti Patel having an absolute shocker trying to defend Boris Johnson on the radio. Could it be any worse if he actually did these interviews himself? #r4today
Um...yes?!
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Well at least I can be reassured that Symonds is now speaking for herself, in a manner of sorts.
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And if it wasn't staged, it's interesting that invasion of privacy works on some occasions...but clearly not others.

It's almost like they're incensed that someone other than them managed to record a particularly juicy row involving what is probably our next PM.
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I'm sorry to see that, I hope it's not too serious. He's 81.
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Areas with most homeless deaths disproportionately hit by cuts
Labour analysis finds nine of 10 councils with highest fatalities had cuts more than three times national average
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A Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government spokesperson said: “Every death on our streets is a tragedy … That’s why we are investing £1.2bn to tackle homelessness and have bold plans backed by £100m to end rough sleeping in its entirety. Councils have used this funding to create an estimated 2,600 more bed spaces and 750 additional specialist support staff this year.

“We are committed to ensuring independent reviews into the deaths of rough sleepers are conducted where appropriate – and where this does not happen we will hold local authorities to account.
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Good afternoon, everyone.
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"We will continue with increased risk of homelessness policies regardless"
Protecting the "vulnerable" by making people vulnerable.
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Willow904 wrote:
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Well at least I can be reassured that Symonds is now speaking for herself, in a manner of sorts.
It's pretty much impossible to argue that publicity about something like this from somebody attempting to become Prime Minister is not in the public interest, but there is something in the background of this which says that it's her business. There is a risk of a different kind of disempowerment if other people are telling her 'you have to deal with this now'.
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Really does my napper in,we are all vulnerable eg.if necessary costs were adequate and timely,if specific situations were attended to-the necessary evidentially introduced complex bemoaned,fucked up by "reforms"the needless creation of debt as policy etc.
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Tarquin disgusted at the state of the grass."Typical Tory laziness and dissolute lifestyle"
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gilsey wrote:I'm sorry to see that, I hope it's not too serious. He's 81.
He has been a much needed voice of reason in recent years, too.
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HindleA wrote:"We will continue with increased risk of homelessness policies regardless"
Protecting the "vulnerable" by making people vulnerable.
We've had over nine years of policy and action making that clear. Tory government are totally indifferent if not actively harmful towards people.
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Well, the reporting seems to suggest that before this unfortunate business cropped up he was quite popular locally.

Though in the current climate it can easily be interpreted as two fingers to the almost 1 in 5 voters who signed the recall petition.
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I'd forgotten that Hunt was Mr 'everyone thinks you need to go'.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Well, the reporting seems to suggest that before this unfortunate business cropped up he was quite popular locally.

Though in the current climate it can easily be interpreted as two fingers to the almost 1 in 5 voters who signed the recall petition.
Also all it is is the local conservative party who have just reselected him saying they are delighted to have reselected him.
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Rumours the byelection will be called for August 1 - the previous week would coincide with the Royal Welsh Show, an important event locally.
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Ouch.

I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister

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For many of us, his elevation will signal Britain’s abandonment of any claim to be a serious country. It can be claimed that few people realised what a poor prime minister Theresa May would prove until they saw her in Downing Street. With Boris, however, what you see now is almost assuredly what we shall get from him as ruler of Britain.

We can scarcely strip the emperor’s clothes from a man who has built a career, or at least a lurid love life, out of strutting without them. The weekend stories of his domestic affairs are only an aperitif for his future as Britain’s leader. I have a hunch that Johnson will come to regret securing the prize for which he has struggled so long, because the experience of the premiership will lay bare his absolute unfitness for it.
Not easy to dismiss someone like Hastings IMO but I'm sure the cult will give it a go.
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I'm now not so reassured by the Johnson pic. The consensus on twitter appears to be that his hair's too long.

I mean, staging a shot like this is one thing, we all know it happens all the time, but if journalists are passing off old photos as "first time seen together since..." when they've not been seen together, that's something else entirely.
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Yes, "hair truthism" is now a thing it seems :D
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I should have highlighted this bit from the Hastings article.
My old friend Christopher Bland, when chairman of the BBC, once described to me how he received an angry phone call from Johnson, denouncing the corporation’s “gross intrusion upon my personal life” for its coverage of one of his love affairs.

“We know plenty about your personal life that you would not like to read in the Spectator,” the then editor of the magazine told the BBC’s chairman, while demanding he order the broadcaster to lay off his own dalliances.

Bland told me he replied: “Boris, think about what you have just said. There is a word for it, and it is not a pretty one.”

He said Johnson blustered into retreat, but in my own files I have handwritten notes from our possible next prime minister, threatening dire consequences in print if I continued to criticise him.
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Willow904 wrote:I'm now not so reassured by the Johnson pic. The consensus on twitter appears to be that his hair's too long.

I mean, staging a shot like this is one thing, we all know it happens all the time, but if journalists are passing off old photos as "first time seen together since..." when they've not been seen together, that's something else entirely.
The hair's apparent. Tressing how unfit he is to be in office. Even to change a lightbulb in aforementioned office.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, "hair truthism" is now a thing it seems :D
Well. I can't help it. I notice things.
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Authorities have urged children and older people to stay indoors and issued severe warnings against dehydration and heatstroke as an unprecedented week-long heatwave begins its advance across continental Europe.

Meteorologists said temperatures would reach or even exceed 40C from Spain to Switzerland as hot air was sucked up from the Sahara by the combination of a storm stalling over the Atlantic and high pressure over central Europe.

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Anyone have any good news?
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MP Marcus Fysh, one of Johnson’s supporters, said Hunt’s criticism was ridiculous: “He is certainly not a coward, as was said by his opponent today in a very negative way.” (Guardian)
Is there a positive way to say it?

I suppose if it were said from behind a tree . . .

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Also quite interesting

HMRC pushes steep VAT increase for new solar-battery systems
Treasury proposes rise from 5% to 20%, while the tax on coal will stay at lower rate
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adam wrote:Also quite interesting

HMRC pushes steep VAT increase for new solar-battery systems
Treasury proposes rise from 5% to 20%, while the tax on coal will stay at lower rate
How else will government afford tax cuts for the wealthy? Coal revenues have nose-dived. For sure, tax the hell out of renewable energy. Bastards.
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