Thursday 27th June 2019

Post by **refitman** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 7:08 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 8:25 am

Going a different way home,found an in brick work commemorative "first PFI house building scheme,Richard Caborn,1998)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 8:30 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ar-dispute" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 10:01 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ar-dispute

So basically a win for them?

Post by **adam** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 10:06 am

Shrewsbury Labour candidate Laura Davies loses no confidence vote

A statement from the Shrewsbury Constituency Labour Party today said: "At a packed Special General Meeting of the Shrewsbury & Atcham Constituency Labour Party on Wednesday evening, a decisive majority of members passed a motion of no confidence in Dr Davies, our parliamentary candidate, and asked her to stand down.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 10:15 am

Morning all.

If I was looking to weigh in on Boris' side after him being mauled by Max Hastngs, I'm not convinced that convicted fraudster and Trump sycophant Conrad Black would be my first choice to be honest.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 10:27 am

Well, one area that the Chris Williamson business is doing a very good job with is making clear the difference between serious left wing people on the one hand - who genuinely want Labour to win power and carry through a transforming agenda - and the conspiracy addicted cranks and zoomers on the other.

(the obsession some of the latter have with people being Lansman's "puppets" is all too revealing isn't it?)

Oh, and Keith Vaz - I have never liked you. Get in the bin

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 11:37 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ds-at-risk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 11:48 am

Excuse ignorance what the heck is a zoomer?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 11:51 am

In general,I've never liked the "puppet"accusation thing as if strangely immune from what you claim for others.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 11:54 am

That all my garden ornaments and soft toys are vehement anti Tories is purely their own choice.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 12:09 pm

So Hunt thinks people should be rewarded for taking personal responsibility re care,so why purposefully penalise those that do in a plethora of anti independent living policies and reward the chuck them in a homeists?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 12:11 pm

The first responsibility should be ,knowing what the fuck you are talking about before opining.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 12:12 pm

The sneering patronising hypocrisy of the take responsibillists from those that take none is vomit inducing.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 12:26 pm

HindleA wrote:Excuse ignorance what the heck is a zoomer?

To simplify, an internet loudmouth.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:25 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:33 pm

squirrels lots of them

Post by **refitman** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:36 pm

Gino at his best

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:37 pm

Literary scholars everywhere breathe a sigh of relief...

Johnson said if he became prime minister he would shelve the biography of Shakespeare that he has been writing.

One wonders which publisher thought he was the ideal person for the job though.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:49 pm

refitman wrote:Gino at his best

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Yes - I saw that, yesterday. The other bloke was trying not to laugh, and not quite succeeding.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:50 pm

Good morfternoon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:50 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 1:56 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/th ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 2:05 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Literary scholars everywhere breathe a sigh of relief...

Johnson said if he became prime minister he would shelve the biography of Shakespeare that he has been writing.

One wonders which publisher thought he was the ideal person for the job though.

I've never read any of his literary efforts. Are they any better than those of Jacob Rees Mogg?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 2:21 pm

PorFavor wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Literary scholars everywhere breathe a sigh of relief...

Johnson said if he became prime minister he would shelve the biography of Shakespeare that he has been writing.

One wonders which publisher thought he was the ideal person for the job though.
I've never read any of his literary efforts. Are they any better than those of Jacob Rees Mogg?

The Roman Empire one is OK but not particularly deep - he admits to being stopped from making some grave errors by people who are the experts (and ones I know).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 2:49 pm

His books are generally preferable to JRM's effort tbf (though that is a low bar if ever there was)

An exception may be the Churchill biog, however - the straining to equate Winnie with you know who right now was just a bit *too* obvious

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:01 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -life-care" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:11 pm

Brexit civil servant in charge of no deal planning quits

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ning-quits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:11 pm

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:13 pm

Usual "poorest" gripe.Othering on what ever basis doesn't help.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:14 pm

On several levels.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:16 pm

And factually incorrect,many things are not income based.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:16 pm

Guy Verhofstadt's article is worth reading.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:18 pm

Why indulge in the the "poor/vulnerable" divisiveness and diversion

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:33 pm

"I Iive in a condemned caravan on a tin of soup a day as long as I am not deemed poor."

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:49 pm

Retiring matchstick scourer is hit for six (6,11).

*Not political but it's a slow day again.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 3:55 pm

Crazy mint nosher resigns from top civil service role at DExEU (3,7).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:02 pm

In unsurprising news, Wes Streeting is criticising the readmission of Chris Williamson into Labour.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:21 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eremy-hunt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And not much will be done unless the evidentially false and skewed narrative changes.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:28 pm

Usual Bollox about charging for home care,regime.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:32 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Crazy mint nosher resigns from top civil service role at DExEU (3,7).

Is that someone different from the person I linked above? Is this another one?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:32 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Brexit civil servant in charge of no deal planning quits

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ning-quits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shinner was head of strategy at the DfE when Gove was there.

He was also part of a group who set up GreenWich Free School who got an RI rating and then had to join ARK as they decided they couldn't make it on their own.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... demy-trust" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Given his - and Jonathan Simons - involvement You might think that said quite a lot about the idea of free-standing schools that were all the rage at one point but I couldn't possibly comment...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:34 pm

Subject to guidance,wide variety,circumstantial eg.no income from work is included,given a purpose of social care is continued work that makes perfect sense.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:42 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Brexit civil servant in charge of no deal planning quits

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ning-quits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Shinner was head of strategy at the DfE when Gove was there.

He was also part of a group who set up GreenWich Free School who got an RI rating and then had to join ARK as they decided they couldn't make it on their own.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... demy-trust" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Given his - and Jonathan Simons - involvement You might think that said quite a lot about the idea of free-standing schools that were all the rage at one point but I couldn't possibly comment...

Who is this guy? Had a leading role in DofE and was head of no-deal Brexit? I don't understand.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:45 pm

The top government official in charge of no-deal Brexit planning has quit just as the chances of crashing out of the EU appear to have increased.

He just recently finished reading his job description, I guess.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:46 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:In unsurprising news, Wes Streeting is criticising the readmission of Chris Williamson into Labour.

Stopped clock, etc etc......

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:51 pm

citizenJA wrote:Who is this guy? Had a leading role in DofE and was head of no-deal Brexit? I don't understand.

I did say "was"!

He moved the the Brexit department when it was set up - I thought he'd left altogether and it was pointed out to me that he'd moved on. Very bright according to those who worked with him so it's a big loss - and the timing is terrible.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:52 pm

Is employment going to people qualified to do the work?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:54 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Who is this guy? Had a leading role in DofE and was head of no-deal Brexit? I don't understand.
I did say "was"!

He moved the the Brexit department when it was set up - I thought he'd left altogether and it was pointed out to me that he'd moved on. Very bright according to those who worked with him so it's a big loss - and the timing is terrible.

I know you did, Roger, I wasn't questioning that. The two positions seem quite different. I'm questioning whether or not he's qualified for either position.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 27 Jun, 2019 4:57 pm

I'm not picking on a civil servant. If people aren't given the right tools for what they're expected to do, they'll not be able to successfully complete the task. If people are chosen for roles they're not qualified to have, those hiring made a mistake.