Saturday 29th June & Sunday 30th June 2019

Post by **refitman** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 8:28 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 10:04 am

Morning.

We adopted a second kitten from Cat's Protection in April and she's not due to be neutered until next week. We have to keep her indoors until she's done which means we have to keep all the doors and windows shut so she can't get out, so it's already getting pretty hot in our house today. I have two guinea pigs which are vulnerable to the heat, as well, so all the fans will be going full tilt today.

Still, at least we're only facing relatively normal high temperatures. I hate to think how little capacity there is within our current government to prepare and support people in temperatures like the ones predicted for France today. I hope they are better prepared this time than they were in 2003.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 10:19 am

The highest ever recorded temperature in the UK is 38.5C (in the 2003 heatwave)

France has just reached a new record of 46C.

Even that is a significant difference.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 10:19 am

THE TORIES' IMAGINARY WORLD

. Politics is a post-modern activity in which words and appearances are everything and consequences and reality are nothing.

Chris Dillow, prompted by Sarah Vine's ridiculous tweet the other day.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 10:34 am

From HindleA yesterday:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mini ... st-support" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Minister announces new transfer option for mortgage interest support
Disabled people and others receiving Support for Mortgage Interest (SMI) will now be able to transfer this support to their new property when moving home.

The fact the need for this wasn't anticipated and included in the original policy is a very good example of how piss poor our current government is and shows what happens when you replace experienced civil servants, with years of practice of developing policy, with kiss-ass, know nothing SpAds.

The policy as originally conceived would have seriously impacted on people's ability to move, to be closer to family for instance.

The whole concept is rotten, though, like the concept behind the 'dementia tax'. The idea you can treat someone's home as an asset even though that asset can't be realised while they're living in it is simply perverse. When compared to the cost of housing benefit to support someone living in a private rental property, the cost of mortgage interest relief is often much cheaper. If the government is worried about such people benefiting from unearned property price inflation, perhaps they should find a way to tax such a dividend. After all, it's not as if anyone who buys a house actually 'earns' the money it makes when prices go up and the ill/disabled face the exact same risks of prices going down and ending up in negative equity.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:10 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour to propose new wellbeing law to inform policy decisions

I like how this idea is linked to things already happening in Wales and New Zealand, rooting it in practical realities, because otherwise it could tend to sound a bit abstract and insubstantial.

Also, Labour need to be careful not to invest too much in a word like "well-being" that can so easily be twisted, as we saw with Cameron's wellness measure, and make sure they define specifically what "well-being" means to them, as they begin to do in this article.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:12 am

Cameron was indeed very good at "fluffy" language that turned out to be as insubstantial as candy floss on examination.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:14 am

A small recognition in housing terms of vast cost saving accounting for situation completely beyond your control.I hate them with a passion as to the misportrayal.,it is fucking evil

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:22 am

But consistent with penalising sick/disabled receiving social care homeowners who should be in a home or suitably segregated.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:25 am

Shitting on people indisputably doing the right thing is "Christianity",apparently.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:32 am

In twelve years of reduced "work" there was infinitely more contribution than the other twenty eight and continuing combined.The full extent of fellow taxpayers contribution would barely register.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:39 am

Obviously tend to have shorter lives let's penalise,so many levels of maliciousness.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:51 am

HindleA wrote:Shitting on people indisputably doing the right thing is "Christianity",apparently.

You can find "Christians" to support anything (cf the Dutch Reformed Church)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:54 am

Point taken.I'm a devil worshipper myself and therefore relatively moral to this shower of twunts.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:56 am

"Tasmanian devil"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:00 pm

Vast cost saving accounting should be encouraged/facillitated not penalised,in purely economic terms it is fuckwittery at the highest level.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:01 pm

Lowest level.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:08 pm

In recent years we've seen the Archbishop of Canterbury criticise the Coalition and Tory governments and we've seen the Pope criticise Donald Trump, essentially for not being very Christian. Such criticisms have been shrugged off and ignored. A shift that marks a decline in the influence of the Church on Western culture, I think, and highlights the hypocrisy of such leaders referring to themselves as Christians or attempting to tap into cultural nationalism on the basis of being the leader of a Christian country. A real Christian wouldn't ignore the admonishment of their spiritual leaders.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:12 pm

A lot of people are happy in their discontent.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:15 pm

"If you were meant to be happy you would be born with a smile on your face"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:16 pm

I was born with a pick axe and a clock card having "worked"all my life.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:17 pm

Must have been a painful birth,sorry mum.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:19 pm

Much apologies for the increasing level of relentless stupidity,I blame the Tories,they've addled what remains of my brain.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:21 pm

PF now doing the Eiffel Tower in fag packets.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:26 pm

We couldn't/wouldn't have taken the loan,I worked for five years also,now disallowed on a back to work basis;replacement support to allow more work to make up the difference,would have cost far more of course.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:31 pm

The assumption that the only people who need social care are those who have had a lifetime of working in which to haphazardly benefit from high house price inflation is particularly irksome. A unique set of circumstances has led to otherwise relatively poor people happening to own houses in old age which are worth a disproportionately large amount of money. Designing a whole social care funding model around circumstances that only applies to some pensioners, and only because of a combination of factors that may well not be repeated in future is, at best, unsustainable, and, at worst, deliberately designed to peter out into no support at all once the idea of everyone needing to fund their own social care by pawning everything they own is an established and accepted idea.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 12:31 pm

I have no problem with reduced circumstances,I have with the active penalisation of sense/sufficient flexibility.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 1:42 pm

Given half spend isn't related to the elderly,it is indeed irksome that it is presented as an "elderly" issue at all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 1:46 pm

And only those with sufficiently wrinkled hands.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 1:47 pm

Eiffel Tower now morphed into the leaning tower of Pisa

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 1:48 pm

PF will bloody contribute at some stage.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 1:50 pm

Maybe the Pyramid.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 2:15 pm

HindleA wrote:Given half spend isn't related to the elderly,it is indeed irksome that it is presented as an "elderly" issue at all.

It's a solution looking for a problem. Our economy is shagged and thus the lure of raising easy money like this becomes irresistible. Even Polly Toynbee was wittering on recently about the "untapped wealth" in housing as if it's real, actual money instead of a bubble waiting to burst. Osbourne artificially propped up house prices with things like help to buy in order to protect the better off from the worst of the consequences of the global financial crash, but I don't see how this can be sustained indefinitely. Thinking anything can be funded with theoretical wealth is absurd enough, but when we're teetering on the brink of a major economic crash it's positively insane. The reality is that above average earners, like Toynbee, need to pay more tax, not just the super rich. But that will hurt those who are most influential on politicians, like the hike in NI for higher earning self-employed that Hammond failed to introduce because the journalists most affected by it bleated so much. Even Corbyn is too afraid to say it, I just hope he's not afraid to do it, because I really see no alternative in the short-term if we're to afford to look after everyone who needs social care, both young and old, properly, along with everything else that needs fixing.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 2:59 pm

I personally see it not as looking after but ensuring/facillitating the exact opposite ie fundamentally an independent living issue,self organising rather than supine receivership at best.If you want people "to take responsibility",you give them.control and genuine choice.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 3:12 pm

There ain't no coincidence such targeted anti facillitation is leading to increased institutionalism .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 3:25 pm

Constance playing the Cross-Grainger Kangaroo-Pouch Tone-Tool

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 3:28 pm

Nervous about being the first 47 year old cat to headline Glastonbury, I am sure she will be fine.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 7:37 pm

I know its been a lovely day - though its raining here now - but anything happening?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 8:58 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... d-not-read" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NDIS sent letters to vision-impaired and blind people in format they could not read
The problem will finally be rectified next month, although Blind Citizens Australia raised it about three years ago

(National Disability Insurance Scheme)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:07 pm

I though Sturgeon had literally changed into the Queen.I bumped into Donald Dewar once on the Glasgow underground,thankfully he was wearing trousers.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 29 Jun, 2019 11:54 pm

Sad to see Labour indulge in ablist bullshit,he runs regularly etc so fucking what ,says naff all about fitness about job

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 12:00 am

The fraility.of discriminatory thinking,or just not thinking in truth.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 12:16 am

HindleA wrote:Sad to see Labour indulge in ablist bullshit,he runs regularly etc so fucking what ,says naff all about fitness about job

They were responding to a (very likely totally made up) smear, what were they supposed to say?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 6:14 am

A calm response,if asked"He's fit for office"

Purposefully trying to get a certain reaction and continued "indulgement" is part of their calculation.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 10:36 am

Good morning, all - anything to report?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 12:53 pm

Only Boris installing a 'war cabinet' headed up bis ex-chief of staff and Thatcherite leader of Wandsworth Council Eddie Lister.

I hadn't realised Lister was still around but apparently he heads up one of those quangos that Pickles abolished...

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 12:56 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... tish-steel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 12:57 pm

And the Ivanka "Hey, I'm just as important as you people" Trump video is pretty funny.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 12:59 pm

Surprised as others have said of non comment regarding the candidate's proposals of lifting NI limit and consequent effect on State Pension and other possible benefit/pension entitlements.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 30 Jun, 2019 1:01 pm

Unless it is an afterthought/, unintentional amnesiacal obviousness.

Pto