Friday 5th July 2019

Post by **refitman** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 7:04 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 7:29 am

https://www.adultsocialcareappg.com/inquiry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 7:33 am

". People with experience of regularly using adult social care must be fully involved in the co-design and co-production of adult social care services.

As previous,a two way process ,people must be encouraged to take control.DNA means do not accept.The evidence in doing so leads to better and extended lives,all things being equal is unquestionable.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 8:28 am

Morning all.

There was a Boris-supporting minister on Today and was asked about the allegation about restricting Johnson's access to intelligence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48874147" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He was trying to be careful in not criticising No 10 and this bit amused me.

"What do you think about the allegations?"
"Well, that's something you should ask Boris"
"If only"...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 9:20 am

Amee Vanderpool
@girlsreallyrule
·
5h
"...our army manned the amports (?), it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports..."

Trump slurring and then trying to read off a TelePrompTer about the Continental Army supposedly taking over the airports in 1781 is...no words. #TrumpSpeech

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:01 am

More on previous.(necessary rooms are spare dammit)

https://rightsinfo.org/bedroom-tax-forc ... will-hear/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:14 am

https://socialcarefuture.blog/2019/07/0 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:16 am

"Would free personal care be the only available support that people can access without payment? If so, a measure which nobly aims to protect people from the catastrophic costs of paying for life and limb care could come at a catastrophic cost to anyone who needs some support to secure or maintain a life to live. In fact it could extinguish the vision of personalised care and support to promote wellbeing in the Care Act altogether, while creating a raft of other social and economic problems."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:23 am

Like the bus pass,depending on implementation may lead to reduction/restrictions for some,as it did for us.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:27 am

Was still in favour of introduction,to be clear.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:34 am

Constance playing the cello horn.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:38 am

Direct payments/personal budget provide the avenue of flexibility "nominally" largely personal care,in reality I did that it freed up resources/time for a semblance of an independent life.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:44 am

Too many assessors are still stuck in soggy wet flannel mode you have to argue your case,eg.social isolation etc.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:46 am

General rule of thumb if it would annoy the Torygraph,you are on the right track.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:49 am

Basket weaving and bingo among your own kind what more do you want.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:50 am

It's not possible to have a sensible discussion about the tory leadership election, so no wonder it's quiet here.

Eg social care.

*unt

three-generation families should be incentivised to live in the same home so people can look after their elderly relative.

Johnson

policies to ensure no one is evicted from their home to pay for the cost of looking after them.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-hunt- ... s-11757038" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:51 am

No offence to basket weavers and bingo players.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:54 am

And if I had £1 for every time I've heard someone on TV say we need to Brexit so we can move on, I'd be rich.

a) Brexit with or without a deal means negotiating with the EU for the next x years

b) Tories aren't going to do anything about any of those other things anyway.

We all know that so there's nothing to talk about.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 10:56 am

The same Tories that seems necessary rooms for care spare and chargeable as default and introduced an interest bearing loan as the only housing support for homeowners in lieu of about a monkey a week,regardless if in an adapted home,otherwise hospital based treatments ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:04 am

PF will make a post I am led to believe.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:05 am

Anytime now...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:05 am

Putting her lippy on.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:06 am

And a bowler hat for some reason.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:08 am

I have no more teeth to pull..

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:11 am

Sorry cJA,unfortunate reference.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:19 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Amee Vanderpool
@girlsreallyrule
·
5h
"...our army manned the amports (?), it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports..."

Trump slurring and then trying to read off a TelePrompTer about the Continental Army supposedly taking over the airports in 1781 is...no words. #TrumpSpeech

The gossip about his mental state does seem to be gathering strength

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:22 am

Back from weekly shop and found John McCririck trending.

At first I thought he must be a prospective MP for The Brexit Party being their ideal type but no, apparently he's died.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:25 am

I wonder if he had bet on the time of his passing.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 11:28 am

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/r ... it-impact/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:06 pm

HindleA wrote:PF will make a post I am led to believe.

I have to get Constance's zither out of the freezer - it was melting, she said.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:07 pm

HindleA wrote:Basket weaving and bingo among your own kind what more do you want.

I'd apprentice with a basket weaver now if I could find a willing craftsperson.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:07 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:14 pm

PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:PF will make a post I am led to believe.
I have to get Constance's zither out of the freezer - it was melting, she said.

Is she willing to teach me to play it? Basket weaving, zither accompaniment to Mr citizen's newfangled guitar, a pack of tarot cards and a cheerful disposition: My CV post-Brexit Britain.

Post by **adam** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:25 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:PF will make a post I am led to believe.
I have to get Constance's zither out of the freezer - it was melting, she said.
Is she willing to teach me to play it? Basket weaving, zither accompaniment to Mr citizen's newfangled guitar, a pack of tarot cards and a cheerful disposition: My CV post-Brexit Britain.

I am prepared to make rock buns.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:29 pm

‘My employer, ma’am—Mr. Heep—once did me the favour to observe to me, that if I were not in the receipt of the stipendiary emoluments appertaining to my engagement with him, I should probably be a mountebank about the country, swallowing a sword-blade, and eating the devouring element. For anything that I can perceive to the contrary, it is still probable that my children may be reduced to seek a livelihood by personal contortion, while Mrs. Micawber abets their unnatural feats by playing the barrel-organ.’

Mr. Wilkins Micawber
David Copperfield
by Charles Dickens

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:34 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

There was a Boris-supporting minister on Today and was asked about the allegation about restricting Johnson's access to intelligence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48874147" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He was trying to be careful in not criticising No 10 and this bit amused me.

"What do you think about the allegations?"
"Well, that's something you should ask Boris"
"If only"...

BoJo trying to tell us he was never happy with austerity today.

Check your wallets!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:46 pm

adam wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Basket weaving, zither accompaniment to Mr citizen's newfangled guitar, a pack of tarot cards and a cheerful disposition: My CV post-Brexit Britain.
I am prepared to make rock buns.

Mr citizen's flapjacks, foraged vegetables and fruit, gleaning nuts from the hedgerows and making friends with chickens
these are a few of my favourite things

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:50 pm

gilsey wrote:It's not possible to have a sensible discussion about the tory leadership election, so no wonder it's quiet here.

Eg social care.

*unt
three-generation families should be incentivised to live in the same home so people can look after their elderly relative.
Johnson
policies to ensure no one is evicted from their home to pay for the cost of looking after them.
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-hunt- ... s-11757038" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

these people gonna put us all in harness

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 12:57 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Amee Vanderpool
@girlsreallyrule
·
5h
"...our army manned the amports (?), it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports..."

Trump slurring and then trying to read off a TelePrompTer about the Continental Army supposedly taking over the airports in 1781 is...no words. #TrumpSpeech

The gossip about his mental state does seem to be gathering strength

He's got Is That All There Is sung by Peggy Lee endlessly looping inside his head
That's not a good thing

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 1:01 pm

a tyrant experiencing ennui is a dangerous beast

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 1:52 pm

Finally,her majesty deigns to make a comment.At a hundred quid a pop you would think she would do it more regularly.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 1:58 pm

HindleA wrote:Finally,her majesty deigns to make a comment.At a hundred quid a pop you would think she would do it more regularly.

What is this?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 1:59 pm

And a tenner for each "thank'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 2:00 pm

Referring to PF,running joke about her demand for payments for posting.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 2:03 pm

Ah I clocked that afterwards, being paid for each thank would indeed be very nice I agree.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 2:13 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Amee Vanderpool
@girlsreallyrule
·
5h
"...our army manned the amports (?), it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports..."

Trump slurring and then trying to read off a TelePrompTer about the Continental Army supposedly taking over the airports in 1781 is...no words. #TrumpSpeech
The gossip about his mental state does seem to be gathering strength

Someone had a bet with the speechwriter?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 2:15 pm

Jeremy Hunt said austerity “went too far” on cuts to policing and social care. But he said this was only with the benefit of hindsight.

As I said earlier, it's impossible to have a sensible discussion about this stuff.

It's not that far from Trump's War of Independence airports imo.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 2:27 pm

gilsey wrote:
Jeremy Hunt said austerity “went too far” on cuts to policing and social care. But he said this was only with the benefit of hindsight.

As I said earlier, it's impossible to have a sensible discussion about this stuff.

It's not that far from Trump's War of Independence airports imo.

Otherwise known as The War of Donald Trump's Armpit.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 2:37 pm

gilsey wrote:
Jeremy Hunt said austerity “went too far” on cuts to policing and social care. But he said this was only with the benefit of hindsight.

As I said earlier, it's impossible to have a sensible discussion about this stuff.

It's not that far from Trump's War of Independence airports imo.

You write what I'm thinking better than me. The only response to somene flatly contradicting what they've done or said is to point out their lie or contradiction. They'll ignore that response as long as they can. If pressed, they'll escalate into withering gazes and hostile projections. Those projections are everything they are childishly foisted onto one pointing out they're lying or contradicting themselves. It's impossible having a reasonable exchange.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 05 Jul, 2019 2:42 pm

Here's the record, this is what was said and done. New promises of something different with a record of promising one thing and doing another are worthless.