Saturday 6th & Sunday 7th July 2019

Post by **refitman** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 8:37 am

Morning all.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 10:18 am

Good morning.

Essential reading from Wren-Lewis.

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... ulism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 11:02 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ing-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 11:18 am

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 11:29 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ing-leader

Imagine if this happened in a Labour leadership election - the hysteria from certain quarters would be cranked off the scale.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 12:55 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ing-leader
Imagine if this happened in a Labour leadership election - the hysteria from certain quarters would be cranked off the scale.

Equally apposite would be the average Tory's view if such a circumstance were to arise during a union ballot.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 1:33 pm

As Sky mentioned last night how reliable are member numbers,I got seven voting ballots,myself.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:17 pm

HindleA wrote:As Sky mentioned last night how reliable are member numbers,I got seven voting ballots,myself.

Let the Tory party know. They'll likely apologise and send you seven more.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:18 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:25 pm

Ex-MI6 chief: UK going through 'political nervous breakdown'
Sir John Sawers says Brexit has left country divided and damaged its global reputation

Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader and chairman of Boris Johnson’s leadership campaign, hit back at Sawers’ remarks...

“Actually, I think he might be going through a political nervous breakdown,” Smith told the Today programme. “I’m certainly not going through one and I don’t think my party is either, to be honest with you.” Smith described Sawers’s comments as anti-democratic, saying: “The reality is that the expression of democracy may well frighten him slightly.
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The truth is the British people were asked a very serious question and this whole leadership election comes down to a simple factor, we have not delivered on what they asked for so the decision that the membership take is who will now deliver on it by 31 October.”

Your minority Tory government has fallen apart, Smith. Let's all vote in a GE.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:28 pm

HindleA wrote:As Sky mentioned last night how reliable are member numbers,I got seven voting ballots,myself.

Are you going to draw funny faces on them, then send them back to Tory HQ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:48 pm

They even sent Tarquin one,currently doing "unmentionables"to it

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:49 pm

Or more correctly on it

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:49 pm

The truth is you're not qualified determining your own or anyone else's mental capacity, Smith.
Sawers was using a metaphor.
IDS scares me more every time I read something from him.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:50 pm

Then sending it back

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 2:54 pm

Everyone help yourselves to the ice cream

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 3:07 pm

Posting ,smoking,walking into a lamppost from train station to hotel in Leamington Spa,who says men can't multitask.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 6:08 pm

gilsey wrote:Good morning.

Essential reading from Wren-Lewis.

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... ulism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...it makes no sense to balance truth with lies..."

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 6:14 pm

But too many people in the media - the BBC amongst the most prominent - seem to think that is what "balance" is.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 6:14 pm

When ‘respectable’ conservatives bow to the far right it’s always disastrous
Nick Cohen (Guardian)

Echoes of the link provided in gilsey's earlier post.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... is-johnson

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 6:58 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... al-schools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

‘He was covered in bruises’: the vulnerable children being harmed in special schools

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 7:30 pm

https://theconversation.com/reforesting ... ght-119842" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reforesting an area the size of the US needed to help avert climate breakdown, say researchers – are they right?

Couldn't hurt to try. What's not to love about more trees, after all.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 7:35 pm

That's the thing about quite a few actions we can take to at least mitigate climate change - they would be the right thing to do *in any event*.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 8:08 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:That's the thing about quite a few actions we can take to at least mitigate climate change - they would be the right thing to do *in any event*.

That's what I always think when confronted by climate-change deniers.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 8:14 pm

The sad truth is is that we haven't really moved that much on from incarceration and torture,we just hide it better.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 8:15 pm

And when we don't;"it's a problem"

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 06 Jul, 2019 8:17 pm

Early night for me, everyone
love,
cJA

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 8:28 am

Twelve hours later, cJA is back.
Good morning, everyone.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 8:33 am

PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:That's the thing about quite a few actions we can take to at least mitigate climate change - they would be the right thing to do *in any event*.
That's what I always think when confronted by climate-change deniers.

I've never understood why we shouldn't try to have greener energy anyway? Climate change or no, isn't it better to have multiple energy sources we can use?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 9:30 am

"fag break";have allowed myself a concessionary usually reserved for longer distances."over 55 discretionary allowance"it's in the (my)rules.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 9:37 am

refitman wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:That's the thing about quite a few actions we can take to at least mitigate climate change - they would be the right thing to do *in any event*.
That's what I always think when confronted by climate-change deniers.
I've never understood why we shouldn't try to have greener energy anyway? Climate change or no, isn't it better to have multiple energy sources we can use?

Not if you're a major oil or gas producing country!

I'm only joking, of course. Actually Norway is in the top ten for total renewable energy produced and the US is second after China, so that really isn't true.

The increase in renewable energy in China in the last 5 years is quite remarkable, btw. I think they were using a lot of coal and suffering from the kinds of pollution which prompted the switch from coal across Europe in previous decades and have used state subsidies to transition into renewables in a big way. Although China still uses an awful lot of coal, per capita I believe they produce and use less than the USA.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 10:30 am

Good morfternoon.

Secret plan to use charities to help deport rough sleepers
Home Office accused of turning ‘outreach workers into border guards’ as emails reveal new scheme targeting non-UK homeless

The scheme, which is still in a trial phase, is seen by charities and campaigners as the latest manifestation of the Home Office’s much maligned “hostile environment” policy. A previous plan to deport EU rough sleepers was defeated 18 months ago when the high court deemed it unlawful and discriminatory.

But the Home Office, apparently undeterred, has rolled out a remarkably similar new scheme which, according to an internal email, will lead to “enforcement in some cases” – deportation – and targets “non-UK” and non-EEA (European Economic Area) rough sleepers, which after Brexit will include EU nationals. (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... h-sleepers

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 10:47 am

refitman wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:That's the thing about quite a few actions we can take to at least mitigate climate change - they would be the right thing to do *in any event*.
That's what I always think when confronted by climate-change deniers.
I've never understood why we shouldn't try to have greener energy anyway? Climate change or no, isn't it better to have multiple energy sources we can use?

you're not as easy to control if you've got options
power people like you relying on them and them alone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 10:53 am

A community with some land and water keeps people in victuals.
How do you get those people working in a factory or going down a mineshaft if they've got what they need?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:00 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Secret plan to use charities to help deport rough sleepers
Home Office accused of turning ‘outreach workers into border guards’ as emails reveal new scheme targeting non-UK homeless

The scheme, which is still in a trial phase, is seen by charities and campaigners as the latest manifestation of the Home Office’s much maligned “hostile environment” policy. A previous plan to deport EU rough sleepers was defeated 18 months ago when the high court deemed it unlawful and discriminatory.

But the Home Office, apparently undeterred, has rolled out a remarkably similar new scheme which, according to an internal email, will lead to “enforcement in some cases” – deportation – and targets “non-UK” and non-EEA (European Economic Area) rough sleepers, which after Brexit will include EU nationals. (Observer)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... h-sleepers

How will they know for certain they're non-UK homeless people? Do people have to show ID when accosted on the street? What if they don't have any? Deport them where?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:10 am

I note,similarly with the CAB ,the co-option of charities as agents of the State.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:15 am

HindleA wrote:I note,similarly with the CAB ,the co-option of charities as agents of the State.

It's nothing but wrong
It's not their job, they're not elected, there's no appropriate oversight, it's outside their competence

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:15 am

citizenJA wrote:
How will they know for certain they're non-UK homeless people? Do people have to show ID when accosted on the street? What if they don't have any? Deport them where?

Hulks.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:20 am

An accommodation hulk
incredible

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:28 am

HindleA wrote:I note,similarly with the CAB ,the co-option of charities as agents of the State.

I can assure you that many in Citizens Advice are well aware of what the government are trying to do.

Will leave it at that for now.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:39 am

Fair enough,rushed post on the move not well.put attempted co-option.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:44 am

Willow904 wrote: Not if you're a major oil or gas producing country!

I'm only joking, of course. Actually Norway is in the top ten for total renewable energy produced and the US is second after China, so that really isn't true.

The increase in renewable energy in China in the last 5 years is quite remarkable, btw. I think they were using a lot of coal and suffering from the kinds of pollution which prompted the switch from coal across Europe in previous decades and have used state subsidies to transition into renewables in a big way. Although China still uses an awful lot of coal, per capita I believe they produce and use less than the USA.

It's funny what happens when you invest your income, rather than spunk it up the wall on tax cuts.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:45 am

HindleA wrote:Fair enough,rushed post on the move not well.put attempted co-option.

Hope you feel better soon!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:46 am

Ha ha

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 11:55 am

It was the strategically placed full stop that did it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 1:26 pm

Stratragically

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 3:05 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... high-rents" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 3:12 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... high-rents

I see 'Rooms To Let' outside a lot of terraced houses
Either no one takes a room or they don't bother taking the sign down

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 3:33 pm

The NAO found that departments have not met the standards of transparency expected by government when publishing details of contracts for EU Exit consultancy. In December 2017, the Crown Commercial Service issued guidance to encourage greater transparency in government procurement. It recommended that departments publish basic information about the award of contracts within 90 calendar days. However, the NAO found that it has taken on average 119 days for basic details of EU Exit consultancy contracts to be published, compared to 82 days for all consultancy contracts. The NAO also found that in its review of contracts for EU Exit consultancy that some had not been published as recommended, and all that had been published were significantly redacted.

Departments’ use of consultants to support preparations for EU Exit
Published [Sunday] June 7, 2019

It costs a lot too but the exact amounts aren't known
Six consultancy firms got 96% of the work

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 07 Jul, 2019 4:23 pm