Monday 8th July 2019

Post by **refitman** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 7:03 am

Morning all.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 10:26 am

Good morning all.

Anything happening?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 10:57 am

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 10:57 am

Nigel Farage was on the BBC

But that's pretty much the same as nothing happening. In a Groundhog Day sort of way.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 10:58 am

If you're bored look at "Tommy Cooper" on Twitter.

He's trending for some reason and folk are all posting their favourite gags

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 11:00 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:No

Morning all.

Only Farage asking for someone to be sacked. So, no change there. Oh, and Ann Widdecombe saying that Farage couldn't be Ambassador since he'll be in No 10.

Whoever leaked the Darroch comments looks like they'll be disappointed with the fallout - no sacking, no recall, and no apology for the comments only the leak.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 11:14 am

Code: Select all

According to ITV’s Washington correspondent, Robert Moore, “almost everyone in this town [ie, Washington], even in the West Wing, shares [Kim] Darroch’s analysis of the dysfunction and chaos in the White House.”

Yes.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 11:15 am

Might be interesting, if it happens..
"A rare event. Northern Ireland is at the heart of a Commons challenge today to prevent a No Deal Brexit"
https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/07/08/a- ... qus_thread" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Today, some Remain-supporting MPs are expected to launch a new attempt to prevent a potential no-deal during a debate on Northern Irish power-sharing talks. The move, led by Dominic Grieve, the former attorney-general, could involve an amendment to legislation that would require a statement to be made to the Commons in October. This use of parliamentary procedure would in effect stop any government attempt to prorogue, or suspend, parliament as it would be legally required to be sitting.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 12:11 pm

If there is a serious attempt to suspend parliament to ensure a no deal Brexit, expect not just resistance by MPs but wider social unrest as well.

GetYou · Post by **GetYou** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 12:12 pm

Ahead of Panorama on Wednesday with a pre-prepared answer to the question "Is Labour Anti-Semitic?", here are a couple of interesting reads I came across on the reporter, John Ware:

https://ducksoap.wordpress.com/2019/07/ ... -it-again/

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/b ... qus_thread

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 12:25 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:---
Whoever leaked the Darroch comments looks like they'll be disappointed with the fallout - no sacking, no recall, and no apology for the comments only the leak.

(cJA edit)
Good

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 12:25 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

Post by **adam** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 12:34 pm

Is Kate Hoey about to join Farage's party?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 12:48 pm

adam wrote:Is Kate Hoey about to join Farage's party?

What in particular (ie apart from what we all know already) makes you say that?

Post by **adam** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 1:01 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
adam wrote:Is Kate Hoey about to join Farage's party?
What in particular (ie apart from what we all know already) makes you say that?

There are some quotes around saying she's going to make a statement about her position in the labour party later today. I think it's the deadline for sitting MPs to confirm they want to stand again...

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 1:09 pm

She's announced she will not stand next time as a Labour candidate.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 1:22 pm

Good morfternoon.

Labour Brexiter Kate Hoey to stand down as MP

The Labour MP Kate Hoey has announced that she is standing down at the next election. Aged 73, Hoey has been MP for Vauxhall in south London for 30 years.(Politics Live, Guardian)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 1:58 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:She's announced she will not stand next time as a Labour candidate.

I think it was a bit more categoric than that, though standing somewhere else as not-Labour remains a live possibility.

(but given her age, will she bother?)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 2:22 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:She's announced she will not stand next time as a Labour candidate.
I think it was a bit more categoric than that, though standing somewhere else as not-Labour remains a live possibility.

(but given her age, will she bother?)

Well, think Ann Widdecombe (if you can bear to).

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 2:30 pm

Hoey's older than Widdecombe, 71.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 2:38 pm

gilsey wrote:Hoey's older than Widdecombe, 71.

Yes, but only by two years. Kate Hoey is the same age as Donald Trump, I think.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 2:46 pm

And Corbyn younger than all of them

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 3:24 pm

someone wake up Matt d'Ancona
thank you

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 3:31 pm

Relish Thelma chaotically winning out of court settlement with Rupert Murdoch (7,5).

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 3:33 pm

some Tory voters got themselves a problem
'it wasn't supposed to turn out like this!'

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 4:11 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that whether or not criminal action is pursued with regard to this 'ere leak depends upon who the guilty party turns out to be.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 4:21 pm

PorFavor wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that whether or not criminal action is pursued with regard to this 'ere leak depends upon who the guilty party turns out to be.

You're not supposed to notice anyone other than the ambassador

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 4:32 pm

https://www.z2k.org/latest/press-releas ... ir-doctor/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 4:34 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ctitioners" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 4:39 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that whether or not criminal action is pursued with regard to this 'ere leak depends upon who the guilty party turns out to be.
You're not supposed to notice anyone other than the ambassador

I think I've responded to the wrong leak

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 5:14 pm

citizenJA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that whether or not criminal action is pursued with regard to this 'ere leak depends upon who the guilty party turns out to be.
You're not supposed to notice anyone other than the ambassador
I think I've responded to the wrong leak

Oooh, sounds a bit embarrassing that

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 5:52 pm

Universal credit: Multi-million pound scam targets claimants

Tens of millions of pounds of public money is believed to have been stolen, with claimants left owing hundreds, after fraudsters targeted Britain's main welfare benefit, universal credit.

The BBC has been told of "money pouring out of the public purse" as criminals make "staggering" bogus online claims. (BBC News website)

It's a great system, and getting better all the time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48887753

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 5:53 pm

citizenJA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that whether or not criminal action is pursued with regard to this 'ere leak depends upon who the guilty party turns out to be.
You're not supposed to notice anyone other than the ambassador
I think I've responded to the wrong leak

No you haven't!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 6:03 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Oooh, sounds a bit embarrassing that

(cJA edit)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 6:40 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Universal credit: Multi-million pound scam targets claimants

Tens of millions of pounds of public money is believed to have been stolen, with claimants left owing hundreds, after fraudsters targeted Britain's main welfare benefit, universal credit.

The BBC has been told of "money pouring out of the public purse" as criminals make "staggering" bogus online claims. (BBC News website)
It's a great system, and getting better all the time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48887753

any chance it's Robin Hood ?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 6:43 pm

Labour's latest Brexit position, from Pippa Crerar.

BREAKING: After talks today the unions have agreed a common position on Brexit: whatever deal negotiated by Boris Johnson OR exit date on No Deal should go to a second referendum.
Remain vs that deal should be on ballot paper.
Labour would campaign for Remain.
In event of general election, Labour’s manifesto position would be:
- negotiate a deal with EU to respect Brexit vote
- any final Labour deal then put back to the people
- ballot paper would have Labour deal vs Remain
CRUCIAL: Labour position would depend on deal negotiated.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 6:46 pm

Of course the new position is easily ridiculed.

But this is surely sensible progress towards some kind of consensus.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 8:03 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Of course the new position is easily ridiculed.

But this is surely sensible progress towards some kind of consensus.

Seems alright to me.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 8:35 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Of course the new position is easily ridiculed.

But this is surely sensible progress towards some kind of consensus.
Seems alright to me.

agreed

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 9:09 pm

A lot of hard work went into getting this. I admire that. What a contrast to whatever the hell it is Tory government has going on.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dum-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 9:42 pm

citizenJA wrote:A lot of hard work went into getting this. I admire that. What a contrast to whatever the hell it is Tory government has going on.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... dum-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Exactly JA

It might not be the best "soundbite" but it is a serious attempt to bring factions together and find a way out.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 10:00 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Post by **adam** » Mon 08 Jul, 2019 10:12 pm

He's not the government's ambassador is he? He's the Queen's ambassador - we send ambassadors from, and welcome them to, the Court of St James. He's the Head of State's envoy, not the Government's. If Trump wants to announce that our ambassador isn't welcome he needs to tell the Queen.