Friday 19th July 2019

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 7:03 am

Morning!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 7:09 am

Good posts by Sky late last night. Flour moths are actually a thing!

I agree with the comments about the Tory MPs who know they will never be part of a Johnson government and that they may see other careers as more attractive. A related calculation could be simple electoral prospects where a Remainy seat is vulnerable in particular to Lib Dem opponents.

Fingers crossed.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 7:22 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... t-controls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 7:24 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -provision" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 9:30 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning!

We have a schism.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 10:46 am

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning!
We have a schism.

I'm almost certain it's an unintentional duplication and not a duel. My respect and fondness for both administrators make choosing between the two distressing. Let's hope for an quick amiable resolution.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 10:46 am

Good morning, everyone.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 11:47 am

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2017-0215.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 11:48 am

https://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKSC/2019/34.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 11:50 am

Morning.

Kitten no 2 has just returned from the vets with a positive assessment after previously having experienced some complications after neutering.

Last day of school too, so I'm hoping for a little respite from stress and worry. Should last until Tuesday with a bit of luck, after which I'll be hitting the yoga and meditation hard to keep my blood pressure under control as we enter the era of Boris...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 11:55 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -tests-pip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 11:59 am

https://appguniversalcredit.org.uk/upda ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 12:13 pm

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 12:15 pm

http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/computer ... -decisions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 12:24 pm

Isn't it time for a thread merge?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 12:52 pm

HindleA wrote:https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a good article by Wren-Lewis but people are a bit rubbish at being practical rather than emotional about their vote. Labour was the best bet to stop Cameron in 2010 & 2015 and to stop May in 2017 but it wasn't enough on any of those occasions and I'm not sure it will be enough now. People need something to vote for as well as against and it's quite hard to see where that positivity comes from while Labour is straightjacketed by the EU referendum result. The UK took a path in 2015 that it's becoming increasingly difficult to plot a way out of that which can both respect Labour ideals and command support among a majority of voters.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 12:57 pm

Except that Labour significantly shifted its Brexit position recently, and this seems to have caused a modest improvement in its poll position.

(of course it didn't satisfy the Remainiac fundamentalists, but not much will at this point)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 12:57 pm

HindleA wrote:https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tuesday, 16 July 2019
There is only one alternative to Prime Minister Boris Johnson
Simon Wren-Lewis

Friday, 19 July 2019
Reaction to “There is only one alternative to Prime Minister Boris Johnson”
Simon Wren-Lewis

I'm posting the web links of the two HindleA posted earlier for emphasis; they're important.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 12:59 pm

It appears that the New Statesman has dropped the SWL piece in question from its website. Not great.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 1:07 pm

Good thread by Shaun Lawson, on the Steve Bell cartoon.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 1:21 pm

Willow904 wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/0 ... e.html?m=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's a good article by Wren-Lewis but people are a bit rubbish at being practical rather than emotional about their vote. Labour was the best bet to stop Cameron in 2010 & 2015 and to stop May in 2017 but it wasn't enough on any of those occasions and I'm not sure it will be enough now. People need something to vote for as well as against and it's quite hard to see where that positivity comes from while Labour is straightjacketed by the EU referendum result. The UK took a path in 2015 that it's becoming increasingly difficult to plot a way out of that can both respect Labour ideals and command support among a majority of voters.

(cJA bold)

Of course; that's why so much money and time go into advertising.
Not voting Labour in 2010 & 2015 was a mistake, yes. I agree with you about people needing something positive to vote for. I also think we're in a politically unique situation right now. Everyone not independently wealthy already with private healthcare coverage somewhere are going to be in some pretty shit with Tory government's continued leadership. That's most of us in a tough spot. We're not going to find positive reasons for a Labour government in most media; it won't be published.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 1:22 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:It appears that the New Statesman has dropped the SWL piece in question from its website. Not great.

Scares the hell out of me.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 1:26 pm

Labour hold in the Northumbria PCC election, despite an Independent challenge being augmented by the ridiculous Supplementary Vote system.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 1:37 pm

George Osborne has backed Johnson's bid for Tory leadership since June of this year. I wasn't aware of this until recently.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 1:39 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Except that Labour significantly shifted its Brexit position recently, and this seems to have caused a modest improvement in its poll position.

(of course it didn't satisfy the Remainiac fundamentalists, but not much will at this point)

The Green pitch from Corbyn in the last PMQs was a good call. Tactical Green voters are going to be important in a GE. I hope Labour doesn't waste money squabbling over Brighton and Bristol like it has in the past. It's not so much a case of left-leaning parties coming together, as simply getting out of each other's way.

As for Labour's Brexit policy, it's still looking like damage limitation rather than an enthusiastic, principled policy pitch to me, which is the point I'm trying to make. Labour need more than trying not to upset potential anti-Tory voters, though not upsetting them obviously helps.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 2:11 pm

https://winvisibleblog.wordpress.com/20 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 2:13 pm

https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/ ... councillor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 2:30 pm

Sajid Javid praises Nigel Farage in speech on extremism (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... is-johnson

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 2:44 pm

Some of us still remember Farage's both ridiculous and sinister speech the morning after the referendum, particularly the grotesque "without a shot being fired".

F*** him.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 2:45 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... rld-record" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 2:47 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019 ... velopments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 2:49 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -a-hammock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 3:34 pm

Will I ever be satisfied with attention to removal of societal barriers,not least attitudinal ;of course not."sustainable" simply isn't good enough,nor should it ever been viewed as such.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 3:38 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/ ... councillor

Can the Councillors make other choices with the resources they've been given? Serious question.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 3:39 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... rld-record

I like that!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 3:51 pm

I've maintained the same pathetic pace,more or less, for thirty five years,obviously as less and less people are on my she category my "ranking" improves by me doing nothing.I'm advocating a chainsmoking category which shockingly is getting some opposition.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 3:52 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -a-hammock

A classic

A Pattern Language Towns Buildings Construction
Christopher Alexander Sara Ishikawa Murray Silverstein
Oxford University Press
1977

Summary of the Language
...in the communities and neighbourhoods, provide public open land where people can relax, rub shoulds and renew themselves;
94. Sleeping in Public

http://www.arch.mcgill.ca/prof/mellin/a ... ternla.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I haven't read this jewel of a book in years
I'll have to pick it up again

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 3:58 pm

Trying to enter next year's Tokyo,there is an Abbott's six World Majors thing I've done three,although some pre the series existing

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 4:20 pm

@cja see previous re Hammersmith & Fulham -zero charging for home support.It's a choice.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 4:58 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -pay-rises" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 7:21 pm

The phrasing of this - hopelessly biased.

Labour will vow to bring billions of pounds of public services back in house in fresh blow to outsourcers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... landlords/

Labour is set to mount a fresh assault on business with the shadow chancellor expected to set out plans to bring billions of pounds worth of outsourced public services back in house if it wins power.

John McDonnell is understood to have drawn up draft laws that would force government departments to favour providing services themselves unless absolutely necessary.

That would prove troublesome for the likes of Serco and G4S, which run prisons and house asylum seekers, and Capita, which assess benefits claims and runs Whitehall IT systems.

No, it's bringing things back which should never have been outsourced!

Outsourcing companies have, until recently, grown fat on things being chucked their way due to an ideology that says that the private sector is always better - and that includes Blair's government which had this idea too.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 7:49 pm

Iran seizes British tanker bound for Saudi Arabia (BBC news).

Edited to add -

Sir Richard Dalton (former UK ambassador to Iran) seems to sympathise with Iran and suggests that Jeremy Hunt stop pissing about with the Conservative leadership contest, and get back to his day-job (I paraphrase).

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 19 Jul, 2019 10:14 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA