Monday 22nd July 2019

[refitman]

Morning all.

[RogerOThornhill]

Morning all.

A commentary on the latest bit of Johnson piffle...

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[AnatolyKasparov]

Alan Duncan has got a pre-emptive strike in, I see.

[RogerOThornhill]

Well.

Evening Standard
@standardnews
BREAKING: Sir Alan Duncan quits as minister at the Foreign Office

[AnatolyKasparov]

Today the result of the LibDem leadership election is announced. Do all try to contain your excitement.

[RogerOThornhill]

Duncan's resignation letter.

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Note the bit about the discussions about the possible release of Nazarin Ratcliffe.

[RogerOThornhill]

Well this would be fun...

Tory rebels threaten to join Lib Dems to thwart Boris Johnson

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory ... -h6nzxdsdt

As many as six Conservative MPs are due to hold talks with the Liberal Democrats this week with the aim of derailing Brexit and Boris Johnson’s premiership.

Sources close to the talks say the discussions will include the possibility of a vote of no confidence in Johnson or even the option of Tory MPs defecting to the anti-Brexit party.

If only two were to switch, it would immediately deny Boris Johnson a parliamentary majority if, as expected, he is named Conservative leader on Tuesday.

Imagine...

"Good morning Your Majesty"
"Good morning Mr Johnson. Can you form a government with a majority?
"Er...no"
"Well, off you trot then"

[AnatolyKasparov]

Charlie Elphicke, the Tory MP for Dover, has been charged with serious sexual assault offences.

[RogerOThornhill]

Charlie Elphicke, the Tory MP for Dover, has been charged with serious sexual assault offences.

which makes this:

Elphicke, 49, was suspended from the Conservative party in November 2017 after allegations made against him were referred to the police.

But on 12 December last year, the MP had the Conservative whip reinstated ahead of a confidence vote in Theresa May.

look worse than ever.

[HindleA]

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Adult social care: is privatisation irreversible?

[citizenJA]

Good afternoon, everyone.

[HindleA]

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[HindleA]

"The Government has failed to either pass the new regulations so that it can pay the compensation owed to the "vulnerable," they have created disabled claimants wrongly cut off from extra support they desperately need as they were moved to Universal Credit under “natural migration”, or separate those compensations payments out from the managed migration regulations entirely and just get on with paying tens of thousands of disabled claimants who’ve been waiting months for compensation the courts said they’re owed

[HindleA]

https://www.nao.org.uk/report/home-offi ... al-centre/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Home Office’s mismanagement of its contract with G4S to run Brook House immigration removal centre

[HindleA]

(there may have been some slight "alterations"in the previous two posts)

[HindleA]

Jo Davey or Ed Swinson?

[gilsey]

Thread on Johnson's options, quite well summed up imo.
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All options impossible, snafu, but concludes that he'll go for second ref rather than GE.

[citizenJA]

https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... nts-17-19/

Rt Hon Frank Field MP, Chair of the Committee, said:

“Last year the Government belatedly accepted that it had been wrong to push some of the country’s most vulnerable citizens onto Universal Credit, slashing their incomes in the process. But more than a year on, about 10,000 people are still waiting for compensation. Why won’t the Government stop fighting this all the way through the courts, and just get on with giving disabled people the money they’re owed?”

[gilsey]

Thread about No Deal Mars bars, tl:dr, there won't be any. I don't like them anyway, as it happens.

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The few replies I've bothered to read are a collection of the worst sort of Leaver thinking, eg you've had 3 years to sort out a different supply chain.
We're doomed.

[citizenJA]

Thread on Johnson's options, quite well summed up imo.
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All options impossible, snafu, but concludes that he'll go for second ref rather than GE.

So this leaves BJ with a these options, all of which he'll find extremely painful and mostly impossible.

1. Try to force No Deal
2. Try to negotiate a deal
3. General Election
4. Second Referendum

Revoke Article 50?

[HindleA]

:@cja I slightly adapted-we are all vulnerable ,positing as "separate" is both othering and let's them off the hook in terms of creating needless vulnerability and exacerbating

[citizenJA]

I regret not re-reading your post prior posting quotes from the committee.
You're right.

[citizenJA]

Thread on Johnson's options, quite well summed up imo.
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All options impossible, snafu, but concludes that he'll go for second ref rather than GE.

So this leaves BJ with a these options, all of which he'll find extremely painful and mostly impossible.

1. Try to force No Deal
2. Try to negotiate a deal
3. General Election
4. Second Referendum

Revoke Article 50?

To clarify - I don't pin any hope in Johnson or the Tory party. I just wondered if it's technically possible for him to revoke Article 50.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Jo Swinson has been elected as the next Liberal Democrat leader, with 63% of the vote.

[refitman]

Stella Creasy seems to have made a bit of a tit of herself, trying to score points of McDonnell:

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@stellacreasy
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Hi @johnmcdonnellMP your office has just emailed to say you are coming to speak at an event in Walthamstow today. I don’t know where or what it is as not invited myself but you might want to be aware there’s a major fire here affecting travel options.

John McDonnell MP
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@johnmcdonnellMP

Thanks Stella. Sorry to hear about fire & hope everyone is safe. I’m not at a meeting in Walthamstow today. I was hoping to speak at a SERA meeting there last Saturday & my office emailed to let you know. My earlier meeting overran & I couldn’t make it. We emailed you to say.
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[refitman]

Jo Swinson has been elected as the next Liberal Democrat leader, with 63% of the vote.

The frackers will be happy.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Though to balance that a bit, the TERFs won't be.

[citizenJA]

How's Swinson going to do against an SNP candidate in the event of a GE?

[gilsey]

I just wondered if it's technically possible for him to revoke Article 50.

Yes it is, any time within the A50 period and it's extension.

Strangely Johnson is the only one I can imagine doing it. In the very, very unlikely event that he thought it was in his own interests, 'democracy' wouldn't come into consideration.

[citizenJA]

I just wondered if it's technically possible for him to revoke Article 50.

Yes it is, any time within the A50 period and it's extension.

Strangely Johnson is the only one I can imagine doing it. In the very, very unlikely event that he thought it was in his own interests, 'democracy' wouldn't come into consideration.

I've thought exactly the same.

[citizenJA]

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

[RogerOThornhill]

David Davies MP
@DavidTCDavies
To
@PhilipHammondUK

@RoryStewartUK
& the others Ministers. “No deal is better than a bad deal” is stated govt policy” if u didnt agree why did you serve as Ministers? For years you have expected backbench support & now you want to lead a front-bench rebellion. Thanks.
8:17 AM · Jul 22, 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

Now, I might be wrong but I was under the impression that the government came up with a deal...and it was the zealots in the ERG that torpedoed it.

No deal might have been better than a bad deal but the government was convinced they had a good deal.

[AnatolyKasparov]

How's Swinson going to do against an SNP candidate in the event of a GE?

Her seat is about as marginal (or not) as a certain B Johnson's......