Wednesday 1st October 2014.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:02 pm

Conservative Party conference: David Cameron accidentally says Tories 'resent' the poor
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 68106.html

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:04 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:I notice I've been made a Whip.

In the spirit of my zeal mentor ... Govey .... I am kicking off with a warning to FTNers that any defectors will be quickly dealt with ... punishment will involve essence of fart supplied by letsskip's hounds.

And you wouldn't want that! Burnt rubber has nothing on him.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:04 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Conservative Party conference: David Cameron accidentally says Tories 'resent' the poor
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 68106.html

Wow.

Doubtless this'll get same attention as "saved the world".

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:05 pm

JackPranker wrote:I like it when people I dislike make their own lives difficult (makes a change from making mine difficult at least). They must have another tactic than saying "Labour can't be trusted with the economy" in defence of their tax cut plans.

Who believes them anyway. They broke every promise and pledge they made in 2010. Dave promising us tax cuts this time around is rather like his, I will not meddle with the NHS the last time.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:07 pm

I suppose we have to be thankful for small mercies in that Daves stopped comparing himself to Jesus or Dyna Rod.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:10 pm

HindleA wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm listening to it again now. It's even worse than I remembered. Thank you Hindle A.

Essential listening peeps. Eddie Mair's choice of questions and quotes .... is beautifully exacting and exruciating .... builds as it goes on.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:11 pm

HindleA wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ouch!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:11 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:15 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:21 pm

Nicky Morgan pretending economy wasn't growing in early 2010.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:25 pm

Hang on, didn't Cameron lose in Parliament over the EU budget?
Morgan is making things up.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:28 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
HindleA wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm enjoying this a lot! And there's another five minutes of this!

Fantastic isn't it. Two great media laughs this afternoon. Cassette Boy's mock up of Cameron's speech and this Eddie Mair Skewers Tories interview. What a treat.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:30 pm

@RR2 Yes indeed.

And what's awful news for Cameron is that both things ring true don't they? Mair's meme of a PM whose word can't be trusted is potentially deeply damaging for Dave.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:34 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
I'm guessing The Big Society wasn't mentioned too.

Under investigation for financial irregularities the less said the better...And less is being said after the Independent's front page splash.
They've swept so much under the carpet it's resembling the Alps.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:35 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:37 pm

Indeed, OhSo.

Mair was excellent.

Only thing I'd have asked as well is what will pay for these taxcuts when the deficit's cleared. Another fiscal hole coming?

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:39 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Next time you come across someone talking about Mid Staffs, tell them about the 28 killed by Legionnaire's Disease in 1985.

They'll probably disappear.

Or the Bristol Children's Hospital in the early 1990;s. Professor Ian Kennedy's conclusion following the public inquiry was that " paediatric cardiac surgery services at Bristol were "simply not up to the task", because of shortages of key surgeons and nurses, and a lack of leadership, accountability, and teamwork."

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:45 pm

For PF

MIKE HANCOCK ON EUROPEAN JOLLY (WHERE HE’S STILL A LIBERAL PARTY VICE CHAIR)

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/10/m ... ice-chair/

Sorry about the cut and pasted capitals.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:48 pm

Remember how Rachel Reeves wrote to UKSA over Cameron's "debts being paid down" lie in their PPB ?

http://www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/r ... y-2013.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He has repeated the same bloody lie in tonight's !

I sincerely hope somebody from Labour has the nous to complain & remind Dilnot that he has already reprimanded Cameron on this issue before.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:48 pm

So is the Marriage Tax Break still happening?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:48 pm

Can we tweet Andrew Marr that link.

With something pithy like.

"This is how you are supposed to ask questions of ministers"

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:58 pm

So has anyone asked the Tories what human rights they don't want the British people to have?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 6:59 pm

Spacedone wrote:So has anyone asked the Tories what human rights they don't want the British people to have?

Abu Qatada, blah, blah.

Never mind he's been found not guilty.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:04 pm

This from a decent article in the FT

in the bid both to draw a clear dividing line with Labour and reassure the wavering right, they have staked out a fiscal position that is neither sober nor realistic

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2585d674-4953 ... z3Eux2LC3T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:06 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Spacedone wrote:So has anyone asked the Tories what human rights they don't want the British people to have?
Abu Qatada, blah, blah.

Never mind he's been found not guilty.

So the right not to be sent to a country that practices torture/has the death penalty?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:07 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This from a decent article in the FT
in the bid both to draw a clear dividing line with Labour and reassure the wavering right, they have staked out a fiscal position that is neither sober nor realistic
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2585d674-4953 ... z3Eux2LC3T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They also reckon the unfunded tax cuts raises fundamental economic questions about the Conservative case, quite.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:08 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This from a decent article in the FT
in the bid both to draw a clear dividing line with Labour and reassure the wavering right, they have staked out a fiscal position that is neither sober nor realistic
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2585d674-4953 ... z3Eux2LC3T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Something tells me this isn't the newspaper reaction the Tories wanted...

Post by **refitman** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:09 pm

"Why are you so useless as chief whip?"
[youtube]K6NQYxbxyjU[/youtube]

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:14 pm

We didn't think you'd notice':

http://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/bra ... OSetU.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I mean to say; who would notice a Jumbo coming across the rooftops at 3,000 ft at gone 11pm ? Some people are so picky...

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:16 pm

Spacedone wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This from a decent article in the FT
in the bid both to draw a clear dividing line with Labour and reassure the wavering right, they have staked out a fiscal position that is neither sober nor realistic
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2585d674-4953 ... z3Eux2LC3T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Something tells me this isn't the newspaper reaction the Tories wanted...

The FT editorials have seemed to me in the past far more Tory-friendly than the main columnists (apart from Chris Giles, though he's pressed Osborne usefully on some accounting tricks).

Is this an editorial?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:23 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Spacedone wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This from a decent article in the FT http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2585d674-4953 ... z3Eux2LC3T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Something tells me this isn't the newspaper reaction the Tories wanted...
The FT editorials have seemed to me in the past far more Tory-friendly than the main columnists (apart from Chris Giles, though he's pressed Osborne usefully on some accounting tricks).

Is this an editorial?

Yes it is

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:29 pm

I'm sure most of you have seen it, but young "Havisham" Hodges' latest piece may be his funniest yet. Fair enough, he's taken the Telegraph Shilling so has to dance to their tune, but I think he truly has lost all touch with reality now; he must realise he will be virtually unemployable after next May, nobody takes him seriously any more (comments BTL are, as wotsisface would say, "delicious and sublime").

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danho ... meron-now/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:30 pm

Still, it remains to be seen how the big circulation Tory papers play it.

If it is rapturous joy over "FREE MONEY" - as was the case after the Budget this year - then Tory HQ will feel the gambit has worked. For now.....

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:33 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Still, it remains to be seen how the big circulation Tory papers play it.

If it is rapturous joy over "FREE MONEY" - as was the case after the Budget this year - then Tory HQ will feel the gambit has worked. For now.....

I agree it will be interesting to see their take. But there's surely no guarantee that any paper except the Guardian will support Dave.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:33 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
HindleA wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm listening to it again now. It's even worse than I remembered. Thank you Hindle A.

Essential listening peeps. Eddie Mair's choice of questions and quotes .... is beautifully exacting and exruciating .... builds as it goes on.

I love Martin Rowson, but after listening to that interview, I love Eddie Mair too.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:35 pm

BTW what was all that crap at the beginning of the "speech" about restricting travel to the Middle East?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:35 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:I'm sure most of you have seen it, but young "Havisham" Hodges' latest piece may be his funniest yet. Fair enough, he's taken the Telegraph Shilling so has to dance to their tune, but I think he truly has lost all touch with reality now; he must realise he will be virtually unemployable after next May, nobody takes him seriously any more (comments BTL are, as wotsisface would say, "delicious and sublime").

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danho ... meron-now/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I glanced upon it, that was enough, undoubtedly the other delusional bell-end, Young, will be along tomorrow.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:38 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Still, it remains to be seen how the big circulation Tory papers play it.

If it is rapturous joy over "FREE MONEY" - as was the case after the Budget this year - then Tory HQ will feel the gambit has worked. For now.....

They will love it and praise it as the most statesman like speech ever. They will all say how much Dave said (he said nothing) and compare it with how little Miliband said (he provided substance). This was always the narrative, even praising Ed last year has been so they could say this year wasn't as good.

However it gives Labour a shed load of ammunition to throw at Dave.

Post by **refitman** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:39 pm

I've just had an email from Labour, and I noticed something about the donation request, compared to the Tory emails. See if you can spot it:

Labour:

: Labour Donate.png (3.34 KiB) Viewed 15270 times

Tory:

: Tory Donate.png (4.39 KiB) Viewed 15270 times

Post by **refitman** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:41 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
HindleA wrote: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm listening to it again now. It's even worse than I remembered. Thank you Hindle A.

Essential listening peeps. Eddie Mair's choice of questions and quotes .... is beautifully exacting and exruciating .... builds as it goes on.
I love Martin Rowson, but after listening to that interview, I love Eddie Mair too.

I love Eddie for: "Boris Johnson, you're a nasty piece of work, aren't you?".

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:43 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.

Does pm appear as a podcast? I'd like to hear that at some point.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:44 pm

Otto English ‏@Otto_English 28m28 minutes ago
"Offensive" Banksy scrubbed off Clacton wall by council, immediately halving the value of the town. #ukip #carswell

What? You've got to be kidding us - hasn't he?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:45 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.
Does pm appear as a podcast? I'd like to hear that at some point.

Carry on down the thread a bit from my first post and HindleA posts a link to the audio. It's priceless.

Post by **refitman** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:47 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Eddie Mair picking the Tories spending 'plans' to shreds on PM now.

Thank you Eddie!!!!!

He's filletting her (not sure who it is .... but she is sinking fast, can hear the glug, glug, glug).

Ah it's the Education Secretary. God she is appalling - like a parrot on Mogadon - repeating trance like their rehearsed mantras.
Does pm appear as a podcast? I'd like to hear that at some point.
Carry on down the thread a bit from my first post and HindleA posts a link to the audio. It's priceless.

HindleA's post is here: http://flythenest.org/viewtopic.php?p=6720#p6720" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 7:48 pm

Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 47m47 minutes ago
Sounds like big cuts coming tomorrow to subsidies for large-scale solar farms...

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 8:01 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Otto English ‏@Otto_English 28m28 minutes ago
"Offensive" Banksy scrubbed off Clacton wall by council, immediately halving the value of the town. #ukip #carswell
What? You've got to be kidding us - hasn't he?

It's true.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-29446232" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I find it astonishing that a) somebody would complain it was racist & b) that the council would have painted over it within 24 hours !

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 8:02 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
HindleA wrote: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm listening to it again now. It's even worse than I remembered. Thank you Hindle A.

Essential listening peeps. Eddie Mair's choice of questions and quotes .... is beautifully exacting and exruciating .... builds as it goes on.
I love Martin Rowson, but after listening to that interview, I love Eddie Mair too.

I can't help feeling it was also a two fingers up 'fuck you!' to Ian Katz and the Newsnight crew for getting in the execrable Evan Davies when there's a much better journalist and interviewer (and thinker) available.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 8:04 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Jim Pickard ‏@PickardJE 47m47 minutes ago
Sounds like big cuts coming tomorrow to subsidies for large-scale solar farms...

Personally don't think there is much use in large scale solar farms in the UK. I think homes should have them fitted with a decent battery system for storage but farms I am not sure will ever be that efficient. Geo-thermal, Hydro and Tidal are the way to go in the UK imo. we have the annual equivalent of 9 nuclear power stations in geo-thermal alone and it would bring clean renewable jobs to the north and South West. The govt even signed a knowledge sharing deal with the iceland govt for development then cut funding and dropped development. It is completely unfathomable that a relatively mature/ cheap/ renewable resource like that isn't being utilised. ITs not like tidal it doesnt have the cost implications of barrages/dams and is environmentally friendly.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 8:04 pm

Paul Mason reckons today's speech makes things tricky for Labour because it covered Labours issues.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Oct, 2014 8:06 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... -collapses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Moazzam Begg has no case to answer.