Thursday 1st August 2019

Post by **refitman** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 7:07 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 10:04 am

Happy Yorkshire Day

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 10:24 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"for help with tasks such as getting up, washing, dressing and eating "

The propaganda rife and pernicious as far as the purpose goes.-which is various ,the "least"aspects leads to the 'least" solutions at best and the pathetic passive neediness mutually reinforced othering.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 10:29 am

A life is a tad more than getting up and a soggy wet flannel.

GetYou · Post by **GetYou** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 10:52 am

A soggy wet flannel? We used to dream of a soggy wet flannel. We had to use a lump o' coal to wash with.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 11:03 am

Morning all.

Compare and contrast

Sam Gyimah MP
Verified account

@SamGyimah
4h4 hours ago
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We are told
1. “No deal is a one in a million chance”
2. “It will be vanishingly inexpensive”
Yet we are allocating over £6bn to stockpiling medicines, customs & border checks...just to ensure life can carry on as normal... It is peacetime. Go figure

with

Kate Hoey
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@KateHoeyMP
Jul 30
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Is it just me imagining it or has the @BBCNews and @SkyNews upped their anti Brexit and anti No Deal propaganda since we have had an @10DowningStreet who genuinely believes in our country and what we can achieve outside the EU? #surelynotbiasedmedia

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 12:13 pm

There is only one Kate Hoey.

And thank f*** for that.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 1:22 pm

Good morfternoon.

I see we now have a "Brexit" countdown clock. Joy!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 2:03 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

I see we now have a "Brexit" countdown clock. Joy!

Promoted by Mr Non-Nominative Determinism, no less.

I assume it has a "reset" function?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 2:09 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 2:16 pm

All going swimmingly. Sunny uplands etc...

Bank of England warns of 1 in 3 chance of Brexit recession

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... rest-rates

Boris Johnson’s warning that he could drag Britain out of the EU without a deal within 100 days has sent sterling tumbling to the lowest levels in more than two years.

Since his elevation to No 10, sterling has crashed below $1.22 against the US dollar and recorded the worst performance of any major currency in the world over the month of July.

“These asset prices reflect market participants’ perceptions of the likelihood and consequences of a no-deal Brexit,” the Bank said.

Despite the growing risks to the economy, the Bank said it continued to assume a smooth Brexit deal with Brussels can be reached – a position it acknowledged was increasingly inconsistent with the market reaction.

Still at least he's now got a Countdown clock!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 2:24 pm

BoJo knows how to solve annoying forecasts like that - get one of his mates in to succeed Carney!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 2:54 pm

"...Johnson appears to be depending upon reasonable people to block his unreasonable behaviour in the hope of benefiting electorally from their principled actions..."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ish-border" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 3:04 pm

A very astute point, and he is not alone in the Brexiteer tendency regarding that.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 3:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:A very astute point, and he is not alone in the Brexiteer tendency regarding that.

They've nothing else. No responsible leadership and their meaningless pledges aren't worth a damn.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 3:43 pm

By the way, I've just had a scout around the TV schedules - Sky News Channel (Freeview 233) will be covering the by-election from midnight tonight. I can't see it specifically mentioned on any other channels' listings.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 4:13 pm

PorFavor wrote:By the way, I've just had a scout around the TV schedules - Sky News Channel (Freeview 233) will be covering the by-election from midnight tonight. I can't see it specifically mentioned on any other channels' listings.

The subdued by-election media coverage is interesting. Is that typical?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 4:19 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:By the way, I've just had a scout around the TV schedules - Sky News Channel (Freeview 233) will be covering the by-election from midnight tonight. I can't see it specifically mentioned on any other channels' listings.
The subdued by-election media coverage is interesting. Is that typical?

Yes, I'd noticed that - notwithstanding the election rules about coverage until the polls close.

Edited to add -

To answer your question ("Is that typical?") -

I'd say it isn't typical, especially given the significance of the outcome. We normally get some dog photographs at least!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 5:59 pm

Donald Trump's UK state visit cost Met police £3.5m (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... police-35m

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 6:11 pm

Interesting portrait of Dominic Cummings in the NS.

What does Dominic Cummings want?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... mings-want

He has certainly proved himself a brilliant destroyer. As adviser to Michael Gove at the Department for Education, Cummings took aim at what he believed was a cosy agreement between Whitehall bureaucrats and local councillors to make life easy for themselves at the expense of the nation’s children. He broke the grip of local authorities over schools, but left behind a fragmented non-system of independent state academies, with opaque rules and accountabilities, and no mechanism for scaling up or replicating instances of excellence.

Yes, there was no thought of what would happen when they have thousands of separate organisations under their direct control. Gove's panicky answer was the Regional Schools Commissioners - ironically, given Cummings dislike of Whitehall, civil servants...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 7:19 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Interesting portrait of Dominic Cummings in the NS.

What does Dominic Cummings want?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... mings-want

He has certainly proved himself a brilliant destroyer. As adviser to Michael Gove at the Department for Education, Cummings took aim at what he believed was a cosy agreement between Whitehall bureaucrats and local councillors to make life easy for themselves at the expense of the nation’s children. He broke the grip of local authorities over schools, but left behind a fragmented non-system of independent state academies, with opaque rules and accountabilities, and no mechanism for scaling up or replicating instances of excellence.
Yes, there was no thought of what would happen when they have thousands of separate organisations under their direct control. Gove's panicky answer was the Regional Schools Commissioners - ironically, given Cummings dislike of Whitehall, civil servants...

I thought that I read an article in which he was described as "the Lenin of the Conservative Party". Anyway, I can't find it now - so perhaps I imagined it.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 8:44 pm

All going swimmingly part II (today)

UK manufacturing 'suffocating' as output slips to seven-year low

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... n-year-low

Factory output in Britain has fallen at the fastest rate in seven years as the risks posed to the economy by a no-deal Brexit rise and as global demand falters.

According to the monthly snapshot from IHS Markit and the Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply, UK manufacturers scaled back production because of fading demand at home and abroad.

Output and new orders shrank as factories came under pressure from the high level of uncertainty over Britain’s future trading relationship with the EU and from the US-China trade war, which has caused a sharp slowdown in international trade.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 9:53 pm

Tory MP Phillip Lee to 'spend summer' considering Lib Dem defection

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-phil ... n-11774237

Dr Phillip Lee, who supports a second EU referendum, revealed he feels "politically homeless" following the election of Boris Johnson as Tory leader.

The new prime minister has promised to take the UK out of the EU on 31 October "do or die", raising the prospect of a no-deal Brexit.

But Dr Lee argued such a policy could see the Tories shed supporters.

And if he does, the government loses its majority.

But I'm sure Kate Hoey will come to their rescue again...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 10:16 pm

Polls have closed in Brecon and Radnor - maybe AH can cover proceedings in one of their late night sessions?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 10:50 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Post by **adam** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 10:57 pm

Everything I can find says exactly the same thing - result expected in the early hours of Friday morning, with nothing more specific than that. No sign of any liveblog activity at the guardian, but there are lots of others, including BBC News (and I'm guessing it will be the focus on the BBC News Channel) and Wales Online.

ETA - 2017 General Election declared at around 2am - you would expect turnout to be lower so a result earlier...

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 01 Aug, 2019 11:44 pm

According to Newsnight the Lib Dems are saying they think it's close.

Crispin Blunt was on in a jacket and jeans as if what he was saying wasn't broadcasting 'I'm a twat' loudly enough.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 12:36 am

The LibDems are being downbeat on Sky.

Edited - I'd entered a timewarp, party-wise.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 12:39 am

Divine retribution for Chuka Umunna being elbowed in perhaps. He's such a hypocrite.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 1:00 am

While waiting for tonights result I give you...

The name that pond snail competition.

I buried a washing up bowl in the garden a couple of months ago, filled it with pebbles and a broken plant pot (and water obviously) then added some plants I stole from a local stream and just left it to see what happened and today I discovered this little glorious gastropod.

The name can be of either gender as our little friend here is a hermaphrodite.

And no 'Snaily McSnailface' will not be accepted.

Anyone wishing to participate should PM me their answer by Sunday evening when the winner will be announced.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 1:09 am

LibDems are perking up - according to Lewis Goodall (Sky) speaking from the count.

No good at naming snails. The hermaphrodite element makes the choice of name a bit difficult.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 1:28 am

PorFavor wrote:Divine retribution for Chuka Umunna being elbowed in perhaps. He's such a hypocrite.

As a former Lib Dem of the Charlie Kennedy social democratic persuasion I can only say he's a perfect fit. I remember after Nick Clegg and his Orange book allies staged their little coup he told us the Lib Dems were not a place for refugees from the Labour party. Jo Swinson of course was one of his staunchest allies and yet has welcomed Chuka with open arms. Clegg was worried that due to an influx of ex-Labour members furious about the Iraq war the membership of the party would end up too left wing to stomach his nonsense so he essentially told them to fuck off. Which they did, along with thousands of left wing Lib Dems like myself.

What was left were a bunch of political opportunists who thought being in a small pond might make them big.

So as I say he's a perfect fit.

And a good name for the snail.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 1:47 am

PorFavor wrote:No good at naming snails.

Is this something you've learned through experience?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:03 am

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
PorFavor wrote:No good at naming snails.
Is this something you've learned through experience?

God, yes! You wouldn't believe the number of nameless snails that are living in my garden. And the serried ranks of blank headstones which mark the passing of all the dead ones.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:04 am

The result is due to be announced, apparently.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:10 am

PorFavor wrote:
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
PorFavor wrote:No good at naming snails.
Is this something you've learned through experience?
God, yes! You wouldn't believe the number of nameless snails that are living in my garden. And the serried ranks of blank headstones which mark the passing of all the dead ones.

Ha ha, I was thinking more along the lines of many pissed off snails cursing you for giving them rubbish names that had made them a joke amongst all the other snails.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:22 am

Seems the Lib Dems have done it.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:25 am

LibDems win. Bit of a cock-up on announcing the voting figures, I feel. Therefore, I can't provide them - other than:
Monster Raving 334
UKIP 242.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:28 am

Jane Dodds - Lib Dem - 13,826 (43.4%)

Chris Davies - Con - 12,401 (39%)

Des Parkinson - Brexit - 3,331 (10.5%)

Tom Davies - Labour - 1,680 (5.3%)

Lady Lily The Pink - Loony - 334 (1%)

Liz Phillips - UKIP - 242 (0.8%)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:30 am

One less Conservative seat. Labour in fourth place.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:32 am

So the Brexit vote is split again and beaten by a remain alliance.

Despite the pitiful efforts of a party who should be part of that alliance but is currently being a colossal dick.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:36 am

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:So the Brexit vote is split again and beaten by a remain alliance.

Despite the pitiful efforts of a party who should be part of that alliance but is currently being a colossal dick.

Hard to disagree.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:38 am

Night night.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:42 am

I hope you all have clean general election pants ready for action.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 02 Aug, 2019 2:43 am

Nice working with you PorFavor.

Night.