Saturday 10th & Sunday 11th August 2019

Post by **refitman** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 7:23 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 10:03 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 10:06 am

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 10:48 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... aste-money

Outsourcing - a fad whose time has truly come and gone.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 11:59 am

Unmissable Tweet from Billy Bragg

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 2:17 pm

Good morfternoon.

Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in prison, report says

Wealthy financier accused of sex trafficking has killed himself in prison, according to a report by ABC News (Guardian)

That's come in very 'andy.

There are no further details at present.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 2:18 pm

^^^

Yes, just saw that on my FB feed from a very outspoken American musician.

It's very convenient for certain people.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 2:37 pm

Isn't it just

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 3:18 pm

My computer crashed seconds after my post! (I think it was a loose cable, but that doesn't make for a very good story.)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 4:02 pm

That was what did for the Royal Mail!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 4:05 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ew-cartoon

What's the book's title?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 4:05 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 4:25 pm

"We was robbed",got told off for not sitting down (at the.back not restricting anybody's view )hooligan that I am.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 4:29 pm

Afternoon all.

As a random comment, why is it so difficult to find bayonet-fitting lightbulbs recently?

When a book has a recommendation from Andrew Roberts like this:

“Everything you’ve heard about the supposed evils of British imperialism will be turned on its head by Jeremy Black’s thoughtful, informed, and intelligent analysis. If you happen to be British, the shame you’ve been taught to feel about your forefathers’ work will be transformed into a genuine and lasting sense of pride.”

You could be forgiven, given his recent form in extolling books, for assuming that it's a pile of utter cack.

And apparently, it is.

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/ ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And the "theologian from Oxford who lists reading history books as one of his hobbies" turns out to be Nigel Biggar...shocked I was...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 4:54 pm

A bit of light reading...one of Prof. Susan Oosthuizen's threads.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 5:08 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:A bit of light reading...one of Prof. Susan Oosthuizen's threads.

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I liked that very much.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 5:11 pm

citizenJA wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:A bit of light reading...one of Prof. Susan Oosthuizen's threads.

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I liked that very much.

Not sure it's finished yet!

Edit - they think it's all over - it is now!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 6:15 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Unmissable Tweet from Billy Bragg

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Very good, I like Bragg's repeated questions.

"oh, no...it's just Corbyn we object to...get a different Labour leader & it'd be good...".
^This is a lie.

It's become apparent to me some would rather crash people and country so Tories remain in government.

I've lived through media's sustained personal attacks and continual denigration of Ed Miliband and the current Labour party leader. Picking at the leaders is the only way a dishonourable and harmful party manage getting people to vote against their own interests or stay away from voting out of apathy caused by sustained despair.

If Corbyn were as useless as some stridently insist he is, it'd be no big deal including the Labour leader in their Government of National Unity (GNU). If Corbyn were a dangerous person, the accusations would be substantiated. There's nothing. Nothing but false and infantile slander. There's no reasonable arguments against the current or former Labour leaders. Both are decent people in a fundamentally good political party working together with a lot of other decent people.

Every sector - health, education, transport, energy, international relations and the economy unequivocally indicate abject Tory failure. Tories know they've nothing to offer most people and that's why they declare war. External bogey creation is all they've got.

The unintelligible, irrational bullshit I'm expected to believe makes me feel angry.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 6:23 pm

I'm frightened because advertising works. Intelligent, well-meaning people are effectively lied to. I hope enough people know what's right from wrong before it's too late.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 6:39 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Unmissable Tweet from Billy Bragg

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His initial tweet referred to a Government of National Unity = GNU. I appreciate that. I like acronyms defined. Someone still asked him what he meant by 'GNU' down the thread.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 6:55 pm

@RogerOThornhill
I'm glad I went back to see it again. Good links.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 8:24 pm

Oh lord. Dick Braine's* Twitter timeline is glorious. He's a full on loon.

*The aptly named new head of Ukip.

thaumaturge · Post by **thaumaturge** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 8:32 pm

Evening, Refit! Sorry to go off-topic, but if you're after rugby chat, please go here: https://ovallyballs.sport.blog/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **refitman** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 8:40 pm

thaumaturge wrote:Evening, Refit! Sorry to go off-topic, but if you're after rugby chat, please go here: https://ovallyballs.sport.blog/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks Thaum!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 9:50 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 9:54 pm

thaumaturge wrote:Evening, Refit! Sorry to go off-topic, but if you're after rugby chat, please go here: https://ovallyballs.sport.blog/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No problem, good to see one of the "less regulars" post here.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 10:32 pm

Seconded

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 10 Aug, 2019 11:07 pm

Deranged rancid bike is allegedly the nominative deterministic new UKIP leader (4,6).

*Can't be true

Post by **adam** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 12:40 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Deranged rancid bike is allegedly the nominative deterministic new UKIP leader (4,6).

*Can't be true

Dick Brain.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 1:09 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 1:17 am

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 10:11 am

Refusing to handle Brexit 50p pieces will be an excellent form of protest I reckon

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 10:13 am

adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Deranged rancid bike is allegedly the nominative deterministic new UKIP leader (4,6).

*Can't be true
Dick Brain.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rty-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 11:39 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Refusing to handle Brexit 50p pieces will be an excellent form of protest I reckon

Yes, expect some "inventive" ways of dealing with them.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 3:33 pm

Good morfternoon.

In the event of a General Election, what would happen if (fairly unlikely, I realise, as his majority of around 5,000 would, I imagine, get a boost because constituents probably like having their MP as Prime Minister) Boris Johnson were to lose his seat? Still, stranger things have happened.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 3:38 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Deranged rancid bike is allegedly the nominative deterministic new UKIP leader (4,6).

*Can't be true
Dick Brain.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rty-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“far-moderate voice of common sense”

What on earth does that mean?

Seems as if he's fallen at the first hurdle.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 3:56 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

In the event of a General Election, what would happen if (fairly unlikely, I realise, as his majority of around 5,000 would, I imagine, get a boost because constituents probably like having their MP as Prime Minister) Boris Johnson were to lose his seat? Still, stranger things have happened.

He would be entitled to try to return in an instant by-election (there would be co-operative Tories in "safe" seats one presumes)

Failing that one way or another, his goose would surely be cooked.

Though the likelihood of him losing his seat *and* his party retaining power is indeed not that high, amusing thought as it may be.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 4:20 pm

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 9:06 pm

Three local council byelections in the past week:

Cambridge DC - LibDem hold with nearly 60% of the vote, an increase from almost exactly half this May. This is a ward which returned three LibDems very safely in the 2004 all out elections and remained strong for a while afterwards, before the coalition years saw Labour make up some ground. In the last few elections the LibDems have drawn away again however, and won by around 15% earlier this year - and this result was a further 9% swing away from Labour since then (though that may not be unconnected with students mostly being absent this time of year) Which might also explain the Greens dropping a few points since the last election, just ahead of the Tories who had a modest advance to 11%.

East Northamptonshire DC - Tory hold with 53% in a straight fight with Labour, in a two member ward which was denied its scheduled chance to vote this May after the elections in Northants districts (along with neighbouring Bucks) were cancelled ahead of a new unitary being voted for next year. Thus 2015 was the most recent comparison point, and it was a swing of about 7% to Labour since then - when the Tories won both seats, as they had in the first 2007 election on these boundaries, after Labour got a councillor in 2011. There had also been a BNP candidate four years ago, though the changes in vote share since then does *not* mean that "their votes went Labour" as some have too gleefully claimed

Worcester DC - LibDem gain with approaching half the vote, meaning they return to this council after a gap of four years - this ward safely returned three LibDems in the 2004 all-outs, though as in many other cases that altered in more recent years and close results in 2010 and 2011 (the last yellow win before now) were followed by Tory gains in the three consecutive elections, in 2015 by almost 2 to 1, before the LibDems started to narrow the gap again. Tories did not go down without a fight, only losing by a couple of points and increasing their share modestly since May (maybe helped by UKIP's absence for the first time since 2012 in this ward) and it was no surprise the other candidates - Green on 4% and Labour on 2% - saw their support squeezed to nearly vanishing point.

Just one contest in the coming week.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 9:59 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 11:52 pm

Been visiting my brother in Cheshire.

Last time I was there the old couple next door had their Union Jack at half mast because they thought brexit was being betrayed.

It's now flying high again.

Post by **adam** » Sun 11 Aug, 2019 11:57 pm

I’m calling for a cabinet of women to stop a disastrous no-deal Brexit
Caroline Lucas in the Guardian.

This article was sent as a letter by Caroline Lucas to Heidi Allen MP, Kirsty Blackman MP, Yvette Cooper MP, Justine Greening MP, Sylvia Hermon MP, Liz Saville Roberts MP, Anna Soubry MP, Nicola Sturgeon MSP, Jo Swinson MP and Emily Thornberry MP

This isn't about Lucas at all but it does occur that the Lib Dems have spent a decade saying that the hard truth of being the minor party in a coalition is that you don't really have any say, you just have to provide support and argue backstage (so they claim). And yet now they are trying to dictate terms to the Labour Party. There were about five and a half tories for every Lib Dem in 2010 - 306 con, 57 Lib Dem. There are 19 Labour MPs for every Lib Dem now - 247 labour to 13 lib dems. How fine to see that they have finally found their voice.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 12 Aug, 2019 12:49 am

Much as I hate to say this, I told you so.

You can bitch about the Lib-Dems to your hearts content but opportunistic bastards that they are once again they find themselves as kingmakers.

From a remainer perspective we'd all have much rather voted Labour.

But you seem to have a bunch of idiots in charge.

So even Jo Swinson becomes the least worst option.

Despite her having a despicable voting record, Clegg's private secretary through all the worst of the coalitions cuts.

She's a piece of shit. Emblematic of the shift to the right the Lib-Dems took post Charlie Kennedy.

And yet I'd still vote Lib-Dem regardless if it meant stopping this brexit nonsense.

Labour have nobody to blame for this but themselves.

Post by **adam** » Mon 12 Aug, 2019 1:06 am

The Lib Dems have made it clear that they won't countenance any kind of deal with the labour party. Unless Labour radically splits- and given that it didn't happen when the bunch of them wandered off earlier in the year that seems very unlikely - then the only thing a vote for the lib dems is going to do is to support a Johnson government - either by taking votes away from labour candidates in constituencies and keeping tory MPs in or by electing lib dems who will vote to keep Johnson in power in return for a referendum which they'll lose.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 12 Aug, 2019 1:08 am

And the thing that really fucks me off is while the rest of us are trying to get along and compromise for the greater good the Labour Party is being a colossal dick.

All it cares about is electoral success for itself.

Not the greater good for us all.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 12 Aug, 2019 1:19 am

adam wrote:The Lib Dems have made it clear that they won't countenance any kind of deal with the labour party. Unless Labour radically splits- and given that it didn't happen when the bunch of them wandered off earlier in the year that seems very unlikely - then the only thing a vote for the lib dems is going to do is to support a Johnson government - either by taking votes away from labour candidates in constituencies and keeping tory MPs in or by electing lib dems who will vote to keep Johnson in power in return for a referendum which they'll lose.

Sorry Adam but this is just nonsense, the liberal Democrats have said they'd be happy to be part of any anti brexit coalition. All Swinson has said is she wouldn't want to deal with Corbyn and I don't blame her.

Corbyn is not the Labour party.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 12 Aug, 2019 1:52 am

We are in a place where cooperation is needed.

Those who choose not to be involved will be forever regarded as shit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 12 Aug, 2019 7:01 am

Where to start?

"We are in a place where cooperation is needed"
"All Swinson has said is she wouldn't want to deal with Corbyn and I don't blame her"

As the most obvious.