Saturday 17th & Sunday 18th August 2019

Post by **refitman** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 8:06 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 8:43 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:24 am

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/st ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:34 am

https://labour.org.uk/press/corbyn-anno ... h-streets/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:37 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-up-shops" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 10:18 am

The sort of thing that could prove popular on more than one level.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 10:53 am

Good morning, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:26 am

genuine

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:47 am

citizenJA wrote:genuine

At what exactly?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:48 am

Some Members of Parliament long professing their horror of 'no-deal' Brexit prefer 'no-deal' Brexit over cooperating with Labour.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:50 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:genuine

At what exactly?

I needed time constructing the sentence posted above. I'm shocked about current events.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:53 am

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:58 am

citizenJA wrote:Some Members of Parliament long professing their horror of 'no-deal' Brexit prefer 'no-deal' Brexit over cooperating with Labour.

That is many things, but unfortunately perhaps I wouldn't call it *shocking*.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:59 am

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 11:59 am

So according to AC Grayling, Chuka Umunna etc., Corbyn is insisting on leading a VONC because he actually wants a No Deal Brexit.

If only he would relent Harriet Harman could step in and get all the votes needed.

So, No Deal will be all Corbyn's fault.

It's awful.

One thing I haven't heard is where the Labour Brexiteers stand on all this. Presumably most of them will vote with Corbyn on this.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:01 pm

"moderates"are the real extremists

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:05 pm

Alt-centrists are, honestly, perhaps the biggest "projectors" I have ever known.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:15 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:So according to AC Grayling, Chuka Umunna etc., Corbyn is insisting on leading a VONC because he actually wants a No Deal Brexit.

If only he would relent Harriet Harman could step in and get all the votes needed.

So, No Deal will be all Corbyn's fault.

It's awful.

One thing I haven't heard is where the Labour Brexiteers stand on all this. Presumably most of them will vote with Corbyn on this.

I'm supposed to believe those seriously suggesting Corbyn wants a 'no-deal' Brexit? I don't believe it because there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever supporting it.

I still ain't picked my jaw up from off the floor.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:30 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-up-shops

Is this "abandoned highstreets" problem (on this scale) common in other parts of the EU (which also has to contend with the rise of internet shopping) or is it a UK-specific phenomenon? We never seem to hear about it (or at least I don't) happening. The place is getting more like Detroit by the day.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:30 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Some Members of Parliament long professing their horror of 'no-deal' Brexit prefer 'no-deal' Brexit over cooperating with Labour.
That is many things, but unfortunately perhaps I wouldn't call it *shocking*.

Do they understand they've exposed themselves as duplicitous? Even people who don't like the current Labour party leader can see their horseshit.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:35 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:So according to AC Grayling, Chuka Umunna etc., Corbyn is insisting on leading a VONC because he actually wants a No Deal Brexit.

If only he would relent Harriet Harman could step in and get all the votes needed.

So, No Deal will be all Corbyn's fault.

It's awful.

One thing I haven't heard is where the Labour Brexiteers stand on all this. Presumably most of them will vote with Corbyn on this.

It was pointed out this morning that the 2017 Manifesto has this:

Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do
damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and if needs be negotiate
transitional arrangements to avoid a cliff-edge’ for the economy.

So right now Corbyn is following the manifesto commitment.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:41 pm

PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-up-shops
Is this "abandoned highstreets" problem (on this scale) common in other parts of the EU (which also has to contend with the rise of internet shopping) or is it a UK-specific phenomenon? We never seem to hear about it (or at least I don't) happening. The place is getting more like Detroit by the day.

I'm reminded of a post from RogerOThornhill here yesterday linking a Prof Susan Oosthuizen's thread.

...{A] #mapmaker drew the only surviving record of the #landscape of #medieval Crowland, Lincs. [UK].... ...[T]hose cars are parked where quays once lined its banks, & the buildings were once warehouses.... Here’s Harlingen, in Friesland in the N Netherlands, where exactly that #landscape still survives, boats still tie up on the quays....

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:47 pm

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The question the PM hasn’t addressed is what happens after his No Deal Brexit. How long will he subject UK businesses to the tariffs and disruption they will face? And what will he do when the EU asks for the money we owe and an Irish backstop before they will discuss a deal ?

Well quite.

Johnson has got what he's always wanted but is doing a "I'll sort it out tomorrow" on the tough questions.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:53 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Alt-centrists are, honestly, perhaps the biggest "projectors" I have ever known.

Whatever the hell they are they need to fix their little problems. Millions of people's lives are at stake. The current Tory PM doesn't care.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:53 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... d-up-shops
Is this "abandoned highstreets" problem (on this scale) common in other parts of the EU (which also has to contend with the rise of internet shopping) or is it a UK-specific phenomenon? We never seem to hear about it (or at least I don't) happening. The place is getting more like Detroit by the day.
I'm reminded of a post from RogerOThornhill here yesterday linking a Prof Susan Oosthuizen's thread.
...{A] #mapmaker drew the only surviving record of the #landscape of #medieval Crowland, Lincs. [UK].... ...[T]hose cars are parked where quays once lined its banks, & the buildings were once warehouses.... Here’s Harlingen, in Friesland in the N Netherlands, where exactly that #landscape still survives, boats still tie up on the quays....

Thanks for that (I'd missed it). The wonderfully named Catswater!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:55 pm

Oh, sorry -

Good morfternoon.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 12:59 pm

I've been preoccupied with some minor difficulties. I come back to my computer and find it's turned itself off due to inactivity. I'm glad to be back here.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 1:02 pm

citizenJA wrote:I've been preoccupied with some minor difficulties. I come back to my computer and find it's turned itself off due to inactivity. I'm glad to be back here.

By the way - did your expensive paints etc survive the heat (which has now, unfortunately for me, gone away) ?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 1:11 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/st ... ssion=true

Tory governments mess people up

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 1:23 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I've been preoccupied with some minor difficulties. I come back to my computer and find it's turned itself off due to inactivity. I'm glad to be back here.
By the way - did your expensive paints etc survive the heat (which has now, unfortunately for me, gone away) ?

Highly sensitive ingredients are compromised and rendered ineffective when subjected to high or very low temperatures, direct sunlight and exposure. I drape damp cloths over containers placed on the floor in a shaded place indoors when it's hot. I've saved most of them, I think.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 1:28 pm

Fretting over tools, worrying about continued supply, is time lost.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 2:13 pm

Pigments was the word which eluded me!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 7:14 pm

Sorry to wake everyone up from their slumber, but it does appear we have been spammed again.......

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 7:44 pm

what does it want?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 7:56 pm

In this case its in Russian, so I don't know.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 7:57 pm

PorFavor wrote:Pigments was the word which eluded me!

It wasn't a pigment of your imagination

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 7:58 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:In this case its in Russian, so I don't know.

That has to be a lie. You are called Anatoly Kasparov!

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 8:06 pm

I rather regret employing google translate. Suffice to say, said Russian contribution appears to have little to no relationship to politics.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 8:11 pm

Willow that is probably the best ever post on FTN. Take a bow

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 8:49 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Post by **refitman** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:19 pm

What spam?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:22 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Willow that is probably the best ever post on FTN. Take a bow

Just a discrete warning that the material posted is a little more graphic than we're normally used to in our little political commentary backwater.

I wonder if our frequent "johnson" references are somehow confusing the spambots algorithms.....

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:24 pm

refitman wrote:What spam?

You and AnatolyKasparov really need to get together. A breakfast meeting? Or possibly a luncheon meat?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:28 pm

Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Willow that is probably the best ever post on FTN. Take a bow
Just a discrete warning that the material posted is a little more graphic than we're normally used to in our little political commentary backwater.

I wonder if our frequent "johnson" references are somehow confusing the spambots algorithms.....

What? Racier than here? I don't believe you. Then again, I don't get out much . . .

Post by **refitman** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:35 pm

PorFavor wrote:
refitman wrote:What spam?
You and AnatolyKasparov really need to get together. A breakfast meeting? Or possibly a luncheon meat?

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 9:38 pm

Certainly I won't be viewing aardvarks in the same way

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 10:20 pm

HindleA wrote:Certainly I won't be viewing aardvarks in the same way

From what I've heard, that can only be a good thing.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 10:26 pm

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 17 Aug, 2019 10:43 pm

Thanks for the laughs willow.

I've been to a wedding today, it wasn't very exciting.

Re RO'Ts quote from Hilary Benn upthread about how long would no deal be for, I did see one suggestion about what Johnson's up to which assumed he knew perfectly well that he'd be back in Brussels sharpish thereafter. Sequence was leave with no deal, win a GE before too much shit hits the fan, dump the DUP and sign up to a NI only backstop. What could possibly go wrong?

I've also seen a plausible piece suggesting that he really thinks the EU will blink.

It occurred to me that we're in much the same position with Johnson as we were with May, we really don't know what the strategy is. We know now that May didn't have one beyond getting through the next day/week, but BJ gives every appearance of having a plan, but what is it?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 18 Aug, 2019 3:42 am

I agree with raising the pension age until after you die but only for those that advocate it,which of course I don't.

Pto