Monday 19th August 2019

[refitman]

Morning all.

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Morning!

Trying to avoid getting embroiled on Twitter with folk who feel it's self-evident that Corbyn should stand aside and let someone else lead a GNU

[gilsey]

Ken Clarke'd be trotting off to Brussels to negotiate soft brexit toot sweet, and no second ref afterwards. Be careful what you wish for.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Ken Clarke'd be trotting off to Brussels to negotiate soft brexit toot sweet, and no second ref afterwards. Be careful what you wish for.

Well that is what would happen based on his own words.

But the conspiracy theory doing the round amongst Brexiters is that he "really" wants to revoke A50

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Ken Clarke'd be trotting off to Brussels to negotiate soft brexit toot sweet, and no second ref afterwards. Be careful what you wish for.

Well quite.

And anyway can you see Dennis Skinner voting for Ken Clarke?!

I've been thinking about this very hard and there is only one person I can think of who could reasonably sub for Corbyn here and it's perhaps surprising I haven't heard their name mentioned.

Terrier mask slips (4,7).

[PaulfromYorkshire]

For clarity, I still don't think it's the right course. More surprise that they haven't been proposed.

[gilsey]

I've heard their name mentioned once or twice, it doesn't take off because these people don't actually want a viable alternative. IMO.

[RogerOThornhill]

I've been thinking about this very hard and there is only one person I can think of who could reasonably sub for Corbyn here and it's perhaps surprising I haven't heard their name mentioned.

Terrier mask slips (4,7).

Yes, Sir Keir has been quiet recently which is a little odd given the importance of his role.

[AnatolyKasparov]

He may simply be on holiday tbf.

[PorFavor]

Morning!

Trying to avoid getting embroiled on Twitter with folk who feel it's self-evident that Corbyn should stand aside and let someone else lead a GNU

You can lead a GNU to water but . . . .

[PorFavor]

Good morfternoon.

[citizenJA]

Yeah, I agree with last night's posts about Rawnsley's latest. He's downright shrill. It was a disingenuous editorial. It's my understanding Labour is currently acting on election processes agreed at their conference last September; none of it is new information. Denigrating supporters and members of Labour by referring to them as belonging to a 'fan club', as Rawnsley has done, is offensive. We're nine years into Tory-led governments, Rawnsley. If media neglects telling people the truth, don't wonder when they don't know it.

[citizenJA]

Good afternoon, everyone.

[citizenJA]

I read Hansard, transcripts of speeches, first-hand sources when available and various political commentators. I don't often watch television or listen to media.

[citizenJA]

Jeremy Corbyn speech in Corby today

[AnatolyKasparov]

Spammers still won't leave us alone!

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Spammers still won't leave us alone!

I didn't think Jezzer's speech was that bad!

[Willow904]

I can't really see the the attraction myself, we're not exactly overwhelmed with footfall.

Anyway, some kind of bot-busting question on registering may be required, as now they've found us we seem to be on some kind of bot-list.

Something like, who's the current leader of the Labour party would probably do it. Not sure if it can be automated, though, so might leave admin with too many requests to sift through.

[PaulfromYorkshire]

I can't really see the the attraction myself, we're not exactly overwhelmed with footfall.

Anyway, some kind of bot-busting question on registering may be required, as now they've found us we seem to be on some kind of bot-list.

Something like, who's the current leader of the Labour party would probably do it. Not sure if it can be automated, though, so might leave admin with too many requests to sift through.

I seem to recall we've been here before and I can't remember what happened. Refitman?

[PaulfromYorkshire]

BTW I haven't seen any spam....

[PaulfromYorkshire]

I know we don't do polls, but did anyone else note how Tinge fared in the latest BMG?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 64186.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[refitman]

BTW I haven't seen any spam....

It's gone now.

[GetYou]

Bloody Vikings!

[PorFavor]

BTW I haven't seen any spam....

It's gone now.

That might be because I gave him a jolly good talking to. "I say, Spammers old fruit! You're being a bit of a damn' nuisance don't cher know," I said. Seems to have sorted it out.

But thanks for your efforts, too, refitman.

[citizenJA]

Jeremy Corbyn speech in Corby today

Simon Jenkins didn't bother linking Corbyn's speech (above on the Labour party website) in his article today. He claimed he knew the contents but I doubt it based on Jenkins's article linked below.

I continue astounded at false information from journalists and news media. The future of the people and the country are at a critical juncture. The headlines from tabloids are rife with rumour, lies and whataboutery from powerful interests. They're not interested in contented people safely and affordably housed, well-educated without monstrous debt, and securely employed doing necessary work paid fairly for their expertise.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -132125111" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AFinch]

Hello. Hope everyone is well.

Video of Corbyn's speech, in full:

https://youtu.be/lwge8RvAI-A?t=756

It starts with the introduction by Beth Miller

[citizenJA]

I know we don't do polls, but did anyone else note how Tinge fared in the latest BMG?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 64186.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

0%
support, according to the headline. Soubry is undaunted.

[citizenJA]

BTW I haven't seen any spam....

It's gone now.

Thank you. They were eating our chocolate rations.

[citizenJA]

Early night for me, everyone.
Goodnight. Don't let spammers bite.
love,
cJA

[RogerOThornhill]

Shocked etc.

'New' capital funds will come from trust's own reserves

https://www.hsj.co.uk/finance-and-effic ... 74.article

The capital spending announced by Boris Johnson will be largely funded by cash reserves already held by NHS providers, a letter to the service confirms.

In a letter to trusts, seen by HSJ, NHS England and NHS Improvement said the government has agreed to raise the Department of Health and Social Care’s capital spending limit by £1bn. This means trusts can revert to their original spending plans in 2019-20, having previously being told to cut them by a fifth.

It comes after prime minister Boris Johnson announced £1.8bn of additional capital for the service earlier this month. He later insisted this was “new money” following criticism of its presentation by the Nuffield Trust think tank.

So he lied then?

[gilsey]

They all lie all the time.

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Hello. Hope everyone is well.

Video of Corbyn's speech, in full:

https://youtu.be/lwge8RvAI-A?t=756

It starts with the introduction by Beth Miller

Thanks AFinch

[AnatolyKasparov]

I know we don't do polls, but did anyone else note how Tinge fared in the latest BMG?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 64186.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

0%
support, according to the headline. Soubry is undaunted.

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