Thursday 29th August 2019

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 7:05 am

Morning.
In answer to PfY question as to where I was ,at the precise time clambering about in a half a million pound microwave.(I avoid work 6pm-6am,five nights a week)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 7:08 am

They have two,it is is the largest up tempo facility in Europe.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 8:07 am

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 8:42 am

Morning all.

Ian Birrell has constructed a hand reference to the hypocrites now in the cabinet who though that what they now seemingly approve of would be an outrage. But that was then...

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 9:00 am

There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.

We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 9:46 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 9:50 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:28 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:40 am

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:47 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.

We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....

There's an element of provocation in it imo, if you assume MPs would have voted for conference recess it is only a few days, so why do it?
To show they can and to wind everyone up must be part of the answer.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:48 am

HindleA wrote:Morning.
In answer to PfY question as to where I was ,at the precise time clambering about in a half a million pound microwave.(I avoid work 6pm-6am,five nights a week)

Take care in there, and in the freezers. x

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:50 am

Henry Zeffman
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EXCL Am told that George Young (Lord Young of Cookham) has quit as a government whip in the Lords over Boris Johnson's decision to prorogue parliament.

He was a minister under every Tory prime minister since Thatcher, and in Major and Cameron cabinets.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:52 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Ian Birrell has constructed a hand reference to the hypocrites now in the cabinet who though that what they now seemingly approve of would be an outrage. But that was then...

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Jon Worth has done one too.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:54 am

gilsey wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.

We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....
There's an element of provocation in it imo, if you assume MPs would have voted for conference recess it is only a few days, so why do it?
To show they can and to wind everyone up must be part of the answer.

Is Parliament prorogued in this manner during party conference season?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:55 am

Good morning, everyone.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:04 am

citizenJA wrote:
gilsey wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.

We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....
There's an element of provocation in it imo, if you assume MPs would have voted for conference recess it is only a few days, so why do it?
To show they can and to wind everyone up must be part of the answer.
Is Parliament prorogued in this manner during party conference season?

No, that is a recess and the Commons has to vote on it.

There was a very good chance that MPs would have voted it down this year due to the Brexit deadline.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:06 am

Lord Young's resignation letter is in here.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:06 am

Alan Renwick
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(Quick digression: I've had a few comments suggesting today's decision is trivial, as parliament was going off for the conference recess anyway. This is wrong. (1) Recess is not prorogation. Lots of parliamentary business goes on in recess. Everything stops in prorogation. (6/12)
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I'm referring to this piece of information part of a Twitter thread posted on yesterday's thread here. Is Renwick accurate?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:06 am

I understand some business goes on during recess, committees can sit and other things.

No business at all in prorogation.

edit - I think I'm quoting Renwick there, so I'm assuming he's right!

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:16 am

I'd be very interested to hear AK's views on the centrists proposition that the Lib Dem is the one to take down Johnson in Uxbridge in a GE.

As they were nowhere in 2017, and Labour a good second, it seems to me they're proposing BJ getting back in.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:23 am

Davidson's gone as widely predicted.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ory-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:26 am

Thank you, Roger & gilsey.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:37 am

The first page of the Politics Live blog at the G has some overseas front pages which are quite fun.

In a humiliating kind of way.

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:50 am

Well quite..

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Amber Rudd?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:55 am

gilsey wrote:I'd be very interested to hear AK's views on the centrists proposition that the Lib Dem is the one to take down Johnson in Uxbridge in a GE.

As they were nowhere in 2017, and Labour a good second, it seems to me they're proposing BJ getting back in.

Well what do you think I think of it??

"Pure grift" is actually a polite answer.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 11:56 am

To which a PPC for the Brextit Party replied.

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dear Nick, more influence than you will have after the next General Election!

If the GE is set to be after Brexit, then the Brexit Party will fall apart - their main selling point is Brexit - the rest of it is populist guff.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 12:00 pm

gilsey wrote:I'd be very interested to hear AK's views on the centrists proposition that the Lib Dem is the one to take down Johnson in Uxbridge in a GE.

As they were nowhere in 2017, and Labour a good second, it seems to me they're proposing BJ getting back in.

LibDem's historical habit of supporting Tory governments simultaneously declaring pursuit of different policy is uncanny, an accomplishment, really.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 12:01 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:To which a PPC for the Brextit Party replied.

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dear Nick, more influence than you will have after the next General Election!
If the GE is set to be after Brexit, then the Brexit Party will fall apart - their main selling point is Brexit - the rest of it is populist guff.

Not necessarily if we end up leaving with some sort of deal - even if that may appear unlikely at the moment.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 12:35 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Not necessarily if we end up leaving with some sort of deal - even if that may appear unlikely at the moment.

The Wrong Kind of Brexit Party?

I suspect people will get fed up with that fairly quickly but we'll see.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 12:40 pm

Haven't got time to reply to and thank everyone. But thanks

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 1:03 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Not necessarily if we end up leaving with some sort of deal - even if that may appear unlikely at the moment.
The Wrong Kind of Brexit Party?

I suspect people will get fed up with that fairly quickly but we'll see.

Lots of people have come to believe the only "real" Brexit is no deal. That may change after we actually exit, but "betrayal" myths can be irrationally powerful.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 1:04 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Davidson's gone as widely predicted.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ory-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One must have a heart of stone to read the resignation letter of Ruth Davidson without laughing.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 1:06 pm

Good morfternoon.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 1:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Davidson's gone as widely predicted.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ory-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One must have a heart of stone to read the resignation letter of Ruth Davidson without laughing.

She's an able politician, something Scottish voters appear to appreciate, the Tories may well feel the lack of her influence in Scotland going into a GE. We can but hope

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 1:35 pm

Yep, much though we like to deride her she was a formidable figure. Scottish Tories will have a job finding an adequate replacement.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 3:32 pm

Willow904 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Davidson's gone as widely predicted.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ory-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One must have a heart of stone to read the resignation letter of Ruth Davidson without laughing.
She's an able politician, something Scottish voters appear to appreciate, the Tories may well feel the lack of her influence in Scotland going into a GE. We can but hope

Yes - but did you really believe all that codswallop about spending more time with her family and friends?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 3:36 pm

It looks like even our often credulous media haven't fully swallowed that one

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 4:43 pm

Oops.

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Apparently he "mis=spoke"...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 5:21 pm

Frank Field says he will support a VoNC against Johnson.

(worth mentioning because he has frequently been mentioned as a non-Tory MP who might not back it)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 5:26 pm

Hmm...

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No10 source: “The Defence Secretary misspoke and was not involved in discussions about the Queen’s Speech. The Queen’s Speech will allow us to set out an ambitious legislative programme to deliver on our domestic priorities."

Well, that's possible as at this stage but it beggars belief that the full Cabinet wasn't involved or told about the suspension of Parliament.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 5:33 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oops.

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Apparently he "mis=spoke"...

yowza

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 7:33 pm

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 29 Aug, 2019 10:42 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA