Thursday 29th August 2019
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Thursday 29th August 2019
Morning.
In answer to PfY question as to where I was ,at the precise time clambering about in a half a million pound microwave.(I avoid work 6pm-6am,five nights a week)
In answer to PfY question as to where I was ,at the precise time clambering about in a half a million pound microwave.(I avoid work 6pm-6am,five nights a week)
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They have two,it is is the largest up tempo facility in Europe.
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Morning all.
Ian Birrell has constructed a hand reference to the hypocrites now in the cabinet who though that what they now seemingly approve of would be an outrage. But that was then...
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There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.
We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....
We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....
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There's an element of provocation in it imo, if you assume MPs would have voted for conference recess it is only a few days, so why do it?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.
We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....
To show they can and to wind everyone up must be part of the answer.
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Take care in there, and in the freezers. xHindleA wrote:Morning.
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EXCL Am told that George Young (Lord Young of Cookham) has quit as a government whip in the Lords over Boris Johnson's decision to prorogue parliament.
He was a minister under every Tory prime minister since Thatcher, and in Major and Cameron cabinets.
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EXCL Am told that George Young (Lord Young of Cookham) has quit as a government whip in the Lords over Boris Johnson's decision to prorogue parliament.
He was a minister under every Tory prime minister since Thatcher, and in Major and Cameron cabinets.
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Jon Worth has done one too.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
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Is Parliament prorogued in this manner during party conference season?gilsey wrote:There's an element of provocation in it imo, if you assume MPs would have voted for conference recess it is only a few days, so why do it?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.
We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....
To show they can and to wind everyone up must be part of the answer.
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No, that is a recess and the Commons has to vote on it.citizenJA wrote:Is Parliament prorogued in this manner during party conference season?gilsey wrote:There's an element of provocation in it imo, if you assume MPs would have voted for conference recess it is only a few days, so why do it?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:There are people seriously saying this is OK because the proroguing they were talking about was different.
We're only talking about a few days.... It's not the same at all....
To show they can and to wind everyone up must be part of the answer.
There was a very good chance that MPs would have voted it down this year due to the Brexit deadline.
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Lord Young's resignation letter is in here.
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I'm referring to this piece of information part of a Twitter thread posted on yesterday's thread here. Is Renwick accurate?Alan Renwick
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(Quick digression: I've had a few comments suggesting today's decision is trivial, as parliament was going off for the conference recess anyway. This is wrong. (1) Recess is not prorogation. Lots of parliamentary business goes on in recess. Everything stops in prorogation. (6/12)
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I understand some business goes on during recess, committees can sit and other things.
No business at all in prorogation.
edit - I think I'm quoting Renwick there, so I'm assuming he's right!
No business at all in prorogation.
edit - I think I'm quoting Renwick there, so I'm assuming he's right!
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I'd be very interested to hear AK's views on the centrists proposition that the Lib Dem is the one to take down Johnson in Uxbridge in a GE.
As they were nowhere in 2017, and Labour a good second, it seems to me they're proposing BJ getting back in.
As they were nowhere in 2017, and Labour a good second, it seems to me they're proposing BJ getting back in.
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Davidson's gone as widely predicted.
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Thank you, Roger & gilsey.
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The first page of the Politics Live blog at the G has some overseas front pages which are quite fun.
In a humiliating kind of way.
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In a humiliating kind of way.
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Well quite..
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A senior Cabinet minister who used to be implacably opposed to No Deal Brexit justified joining Johnson’s government by telling me that she would have more influence inside the Cabinet than out. What influence, pray?
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Well what do you think I think of it??gilsey wrote:I'd be very interested to hear AK's views on the centrists proposition that the Lib Dem is the one to take down Johnson in Uxbridge in a GE.
As they were nowhere in 2017, and Labour a good second, it seems to me they're proposing BJ getting back in.
"Pure grift" is actually a polite answer.
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To which a PPC for the Brextit Party replied.
If the GE is set to be after Brexit, then the Brexit Party will fall apart - their main selling point is Brexit - the rest of it is populist guff.Elizabeth Babade
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dear Nick, more influence than you will have after the next General Election!
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LibDem's historical habit of supporting Tory governments simultaneously declaring pursuit of different policy is uncanny, an accomplishment, really.gilsey wrote:I'd be very interested to hear AK's views on the centrists proposition that the Lib Dem is the one to take down Johnson in Uxbridge in a GE.
As they were nowhere in 2017, and Labour a good second, it seems to me they're proposing BJ getting back in.
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Not necessarily if we end up leaving with some sort of deal - even if that may appear unlikely at the moment.RogerOThornhill wrote:To which a PPC for the Brextit Party replied.
If the GE is set to be after Brexit, then the Brexit Party will fall apart - their main selling point is Brexit - the rest of it is populist guff.Elizabeth Babade
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dear Nick, more influence than you will have after the next General Election!
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The Wrong Kind of Brexit Party?AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Not necessarily if we end up leaving with some sort of deal - even if that may appear unlikely at the moment.
I suspect people will get fed up with that fairly quickly but we'll see.
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Haven't got time to reply to and thank everyone. But thanks
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Lots of people have come to believe the only "real" Brexit is no deal. That may change after we actually exit, but "betrayal" myths can be irrationally powerful.RogerOThornhill wrote:The Wrong Kind of Brexit Party?AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Not necessarily if we end up leaving with some sort of deal - even if that may appear unlikely at the moment.
I suspect people will get fed up with that fairly quickly but we'll see.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Davidson's gone as widely predicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ory-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
One must have a heart of stone to read the resignation letter of Ruth Davidson without laughing.
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Good morfternoon.
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She's an able politician, something Scottish voters appear to appreciate, the Tories may well feel the lack of her influence in Scotland going into a GE. We can but hopePorFavor wrote:RogerOThornhill wrote:Davidson's gone as widely predicted.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ory-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
One must have a heart of stone to read the resignation letter of Ruth Davidson without laughing.
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Yep, much though we like to deride her she was a formidable figure. Scottish Tories will have a job finding an adequate replacement.
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Yes - but did you really believe all that codswallop about spending more time with her family and friends?Willow904 wrote:She's an able politician, something Scottish voters appear to appreciate, the Tories may well feel the lack of her influence in Scotland going into a GE. We can but hopePorFavor wrote:RogerOThornhill wrote:Davidson's gone as widely predicted.
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It looks like even our often credulous media haven't fully swallowed that one
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Oops.
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Apparently he "mis=spoke"...
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Apparently he "mis=spoke"...
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Frank Field says he will support a VoNC against Johnson.
(worth mentioning because he has frequently been mentioned as a non-Tory MP who might not back it)
(worth mentioning because he has frequently been mentioned as a non-Tory MP who might not back it)
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Hmm...
Well, that's possible as at this stage but it beggars belief that the full Cabinet wasn't involved or told about the suspension of Parliament.Kevin Schofield
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yowzaRogerOThornhill wrote:Oops.
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