Friday 30th August 2019
Posted: Fri 30 Aug, 2019 7:04 am
Morning all.
Steve Barclay MP
@SteveBarclay
The car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. >1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from EU into UK each day. We need to start talks now on how we make sure this flow continues if we leave without a deal. /4
6:33 PM · Aug 28, 2019
Severin Carrell Esq
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@severincarrell
BREAKING: Scottish judge throws out bid to stop Boris Johnson suspending parliament for now - urgent appeal expected #stopBoris #courtofsession (Politics Live, Guardian)
More on the Scottish challenge:
Aiden O’Neill QC, representing those for the action, argued for the substantive hearing to be moved forward.
He said: “There is an urgency to this - any delay is prejudicial - not just to the prejudice of the petitioners, but to the country as a whole.”
The hearing was then changed from Friday September 6 to Tuesday in the “interest of justice”.
Lord Doherty said: “I’m going to move the substantive hearing forward to Tuesday.
“Weighing consideration in the balance, it’s in the interest of justice that it proceeds sooner rather than later.” (Politics Live, Guardian)
A note from Adam, butting in again - bugger, I thought I'd replied to this but it seemed I'd accidentally used my super moderating skills to edit it instead. Apologies. I'll reply properly somewhere below.Once MPs have rejected the flagship policy of any government, their obvious recourse is to remove it and replace it with one more to their liking. That requires a successful no-confidence vote and either an alternative government chosen from the existing House of Commons or, more likely, a general election so that the people can arbitrate. But Boris Johnson’s opponents seem unsure that they could carry such a no-confidence vote. So there is an institutional deadlock that threatens to prevent Johnson from breaking the Brexit deadlock. That can now be broken only by the EU. In fact I suspect that the long prorogation is directed as much at the EU as Westminster, to convince the EU that parliament will not be able to stop a no-deal Brexit.
The furore over the suppression of the "cash for questions" report was catapulted into the general election campaign last night when Paddy Ashdown wrote to the prime minister demanding its publication and Tony Blair's office indicated that Labour would harry the Tories over it.
The row will grow with Labour's deputy leader, John Prescott, also writing to John Major today. Labour is expected to accuse Mr Major of proroguing parliament for the longest period since 1918 simply to avoid the embarrassing findings being published.
Not a real surprise, surely - what Johnson has done is bad, but very likely not *illegal*.PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Severin Carrell Esq
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@severincarrell
BREAKING: Scottish judge throws out bid to stop Boris Johnson suspending parliament for now - urgent appeal expected #stopBoris #courtofsession (Politics Live, Guardian)
Possibly not (I'm no lawyer) but it still remains to be seen.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Not a real surprise, surely - what Johnson has done is bad, but very likely not *illegal*.PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Severin Carrell Esq
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@severincarrell
BREAKING: Scottish judge throws out bid to stop Boris Johnson suspending parliament for now - urgent appeal expected #stopBoris #courtofsession (Politics Live, Guardian)
It could be argued that it's against the spirit of the law since it stops MPs voting for a conference recess - which they may well have voted against.PorFavor wrote:
Possibly not (I'm no lawyer) but it still remains to be seen.
Whilst he manages to write anything at all about any of this without ever mentioning that his star pupil David Cameron and his lazy, ignorant arrogance have put in this situation to start with, I don't think we should be paying very much attention to what he has to say.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
fairly hard-hitting article by Vernon Bogdanor...
Parliament had failed on Brexit long before this prorogation
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ve-no-deal
Once MPs have rejected the flagship policy of any government, their obvious recourse is to remove it and replace it with one more to their liking. That requires a successful no-confidence vote and either an alternative government chosen from the existing House of Commons or, more likely, a general election so that the people can arbitrate. But Boris Johnson’s opponents seem unsure that they could carry such a no-confidence vote. So there is an institutional deadlock that threatens to prevent Johnson from breaking the Brexit deadlock. That can now be broken only by the EU. In fact I suspect that the long prorogation is directed as much at the EU as Westminster, to convince the EU that parliament will not be able to stop a no-deal Brexit.
Ben Wallace's 'mis-spoken' comments about why they've done it is not going to do them any favours although it may not be enough. I think proroguing is a royal perogative issue - not whether it is or isn't like the earlier Miller case, but about the actual exercise of it, and I'm not sure if the courts can get involved in that.RogerOThornhill wrote:It could be argued that it's against the spirit of the law since it stops MPs voting for a conference recess - which they may well have voted against.PorFavor wrote:
Possibly not (I'm no lawyer) but it still remains to be seen.
Yes, there is a bit of a yarn being spun by Johnson apologists that "Major did the same thing in 1997 and nobody complained".RogerOThornhill wrote:From 1997...
Fury as sleaze report buried
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/19 ... vatives.uk
The furore over the suppression of the "cash for questions" report was catapulted into the general election campaign last night when Paddy Ashdown wrote to the prime minister demanding its publication and Tony Blair's office indicated that Labour would harry the Tories over it.
The row will grow with Labour's deputy leader, John Prescott, also writing to John Major today. Labour is expected to accuse Mr Major of proroguing parliament for the longest period since 1918 simply to avoid the embarrassing findings being published.
The chancellor, Sajid Javid, was not informed in advance about the sacking of one of his senior advisers by Boris Johnson’s strategist Dominic Cummings, it has emerged.
Sonia Khan, Javid’s media adviser, was escorted from No 10 by a police officer after being accused of misleading Cummings over her contact with individuals close to the former chancellor Philip Hammond, who has been trying to block a no-deal Brexit.
Downing Street rebuffed speculation that she had leaked the government’s no-deal planning report, Operation Yellowhammer, to the press.
Khan was the second adviser working for Javid to be sacked by No 10, leading to suggestions that Javid is becoming increasingly isolated from the core of the Johnson regime.
Yes - I was trying to read (semi-obscured) articles on this earlier - so thanks for the link. It all sounds very, well, creepy.RogerOThornhill wrote:Well. No 10 getting a bit twitchy?
Sajid Javid was not told in advance of adviser's sacking by Cummings
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... y-cummings
The chancellor, Sajid Javid, was not informed in advance about the sacking of one of his senior advisers by Boris Johnson’s strategist Dominic Cummings, it has emerged.
Sonia Khan, Javid’s media adviser, was escorted from No 10 by a police officer after being accused of misleading Cummings over her contact with individuals close to the former chancellor Philip Hammond, who has been trying to block a no-deal Brexit.
Downing Street rebuffed speculation that she had leaked the government’s no-deal planning report, Operation Yellowhammer, to the press.
Khan was the second adviser working for Javid to be sacked by No 10, leading to suggestions that Javid is becoming increasingly isolated from the core of the Johnson regime.
Shocked etc.After Bercow described the move as a “constitutional outrage”, the leader of the Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, said such remarks were unconstitutional.
Lisvane said Rees-Mogg was “wrong”. He said: “The house’s presiding officer is also the representative of its interests. And if he sees those interests being damaged or threatened, I think it’s reasonable for him to say something about it. And there are examples over history of that taking place.”
John McDonnell MP
@johnmcdonnellMP
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Would be better if Dominic Cummings came along next week to present the Spending Review as he’s obviously in charge of the Treasury as well as No10.If you can’t speak without his permission & can’t even decide your own staffing you’re hardly the Chancellor
I'm afraid I'm in need of help on this one. I'm sure I'll kick myself . . .PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Deranged remounted, vehement elk is Boris Johnson's nautical metaphor for why he's proroguing Parliament (8,5,3,4).
I don't think it's an anagramPorFavor wrote:I'm afraid I'm in need of help on this one. I'm sure I'll kick myself . . .PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Deranged remounted, vehement elk is Boris Johnson's nautical metaphor for why he's proroguing Parliament (8,5,3,4).
it is an anagram?PorFavor wrote:Ok - cancel that request!
Edited to add - I should be keel-hauled for being so slow, shouldn't I?
(cJA edit)RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
fairly hard-hitting article by Vernon Bogdanor...
Parliament had failed on Brexit long before this prorogation
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ve-no-dealOnce MPs have rejected the flagship policy of any government, their obvious recourse is to remove it and replace it with one more to their liking. That requires a successful no-confidence vote and either an alternative government chosen from the existing House of Commons or, more likely, a general election so that the people can arbitrate. But Boris Johnson’s opponents seem unsure that they could carry such a no-confidence vote. So there is an institutional deadlock that threatens to prevent Johnson from breaking the Brexit deadlock. That can now be broken only by the EU. In fact I suspect that the long prorogation is directed as much at the EU as Westminster, to convince the EU that parliament will not be able to stop a no-deal Brexit.
Does magnitude of circumstances count for anything? Are they proportionate? Does it matter?RogerOThornhill wrote:From 1997...
Fury as sleaze report buried
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/19 ... vatives.ukThe furore over the suppression of the "cash for questions" report was catapulted into the general election campaign last night when Paddy Ashdown wrote to the prime minister demanding its publication and Tony Blair's office indicated that Labour would harry the Tories over it.
The row will grow with Labour's deputy leader, John Prescott, also writing to John Major today. Labour is expected to accuse Mr Major of proroguing parliament for the longest period since 1918 simply to avoid the embarrassing findings being published.
What is Johnson trying to say?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Boris Johnson claims there is "movement under the keel" in negotiations.
As I pointed out on Twitter this is, unsurprisingly, complete nonsense, since (I think) keels are specifically designed so the water moves round them not under.
the stupid burnsgilsey wrote:
Steve Barclay MP
@SteveBarclay
The car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. >1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from EU into UK each day. We need to start talks now on how we make sure this flow continues if we leave without a deal. /4
6:33 PM · Aug 28, 2019
Rise in EU citizens not getting UK settled status causes alarm
Proportion being granted pre-settled status – with fewer rights – has risen to 42%
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... atus-alarm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's a shame.James Anderson has been ruled out of the rest of the Ashes after suffering a recurrence of his calf injury while playing for Lancashire's 2nd XI in a bid to prove his fitness.
Rees-Mogg is wrong about everything that matters.RogerOThornhill wrote:Shocked etc.After Bercow described the move as a “constitutional outrage”, the leader of the Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, said such remarks were unconstitutional.
Lisvane said Rees-Mogg was “wrong”. He said: “The house’s presiding officer is also the representative of its interests. And if he sees those interests being damaged or threatened, I think it’s reasonable for him to say something about it. And there are examples over history of that taking place.”
Yes, it is.citizenJA wrote:it is an anagram?PorFavor wrote:Ok - cancel that request!
Edited to add - I should be keel-hauled for being so slow, shouldn't I?
I think there are some good observations in this article. I didn't care for it at first but liked it better after re-reading it.Johnson wants us to feel outrage. Let’s take back control – starting with ourselves
Peter Ormerod
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... r-emotions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Have patience with me, please, for bringing Bogdanor's latest up again. I'm trying to understand his point. Bogdanor: "That can now be broken only by the EU." What's that, please? How can the EU, "break the Brexit deadlock"?Parliament had failed on Brexit long before this prorogation
Vernon Bogdanor
"...there is an institutional deadlock that threatens to prevent Johnson from breaking the Brexit deadlock. That can now be broken only by the EU. In fact I suspect that the long prorogation is directed as much at the EU as Westminster, to convince the EU that parliament will not be able to stop a no-deal Brexit."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ve-no-deal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes deleting it seems the worst way to deal with the embarassment. As though we'll forget about it!AFinch wrote:Hello. Hope everyone is well, or at least bearing up.
A little something from our Chancellor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Labour/comment ... w_curious/
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I note that Javid has had quite an "interesting" week generally........
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rs-sacking'Culture of fear' claims as Javid confronts PM over adviser's sacking
Dominic Cummings tells advisers he’s ‘pissed off’ about briefings on pay and gender balance – report
A furious Sajid Javid confronted Boris Johnson on Friday and demanded an explanation of why his media adviser was sacked without his knowledge, amid claims that a deep “culture of fear” has taken hold within the government.
Sonia Khan, Javid’s media adviser, was escorted from No 10 by an armed police officer after a meeting with Johnson’s top strategist, Dominic Cummings, in which she was accused of being dishonest about her contact with the former chancellor Philip Hammond and one of his ex-advisers, who have been trying to block a no-deal Brexit.
Khan is the second adviser working for the chancellor to be sacked by No 10. She is also the fourth young woman in a month to be axed from the prime minister’s network of advisers and senior staffers.(Guardian)