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Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 8:25 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 8:54 am
by tinyclanger2
:dance:

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 11:30 am
by AnatolyKasparov
tinyclanger2 wrote::dance:
In a good mood today?

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 11:33 am
by tinyclanger2
Celebrating Refitman’s greeting

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 11:57 am
by Willow904
Why has BBC News got a discussion panel talking about the "upcoming election"?

Did they schedule it in before Johnson lost his vote on Wednesday and didn't have anything else to replace it with?

I mean, I know an election is becoming inevitable but they were talking like it's already underway :roll:

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 12:07 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Well there is going to be another election at *some* point (unless PM Johnson is even more of a dictator than in our worst imaginings) and "upcoming" is a rather flexible word ;)

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 12:59 pm
by Willow904
Yes, of course.

Not at all about laying the groundwork for acceptance of a deal between the Tories and the Brexit Party. That would just be cynical manipulation and not at all something our objective and impartial national broadcaster would cynically and manipulatively do.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 1:45 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Well lots of Tories assure me there is not the slightest chance of any such deal - should I believe them? :twisted:

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 2:01 pm
by tinyclanger2
Whether British public are right or not is irrelevant - polls suggesting higher trust for Johnson than Corbyn, given a) Johnson and b) this week - surely demand some kind of action?

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 2:12 pm
by Willow904
tinyclanger2 wrote:Whether British public are right or not is irrelevant - polls suggesting higher trust for Johnson than Corbyn, given a) Johnson and b) this week - surely demand some kind of action?
I think it demands that the British public take a much longer and harder look at Johnson before they are asked for their verdict in a GE. Until November 1st should do it. ;)

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 2:14 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Polls can often be lagging indicators in these things anyway.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 2:44 pm
by tinyclanger2
I find it disconcerting on several levels

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 3:08 pm
by refitman
Sam Coates Sky @SamCoatesSky
· 1h

Hearing the first Labour triggering for deselection has taken place - Diana Johnson, popular Tribune MP who was backbencher of the year last year has been triggered for full reselection process with rivals standing against her

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 5:14 pm
by PorFavor
In the last half an hour or so, BBC TV News was reporting (with film footage) on some sort of "Brexiteer" v police fracas in Westminster. I've looked everywhere for reference to it, but it seems to have now completely dropped out of sight.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 6:17 pm
by Lost Soul
PorFavor wrote:In the last half an hour or so, BBC TV News was reporting (with film footage) on some sort of "Brexiteer" v police fracas in Westminster. I've looked everywhere for reference to it, but it seems to have now completely dropped out of sight.
Was it this :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -and-leeds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brexity counter demonstrators

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 6:33 pm
by PorFavor
Lost Soul wrote:
PorFavor wrote:In the last half an hour or so, BBC TV News was reporting (with film footage) on some sort of "Brexiteer" v police fracas in Westminster. I've looked everywhere for reference to it, but it seems to have now completely dropped out of sight.
Was it this :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -and-leeds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brexity counter demonstrators
It could well have been a related, break-away incident. The one I'm referring to took place on the approach to the cenotaph.

Thanks.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 7:20 pm
by citizenJA
Good evening, everyone.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 7:53 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
John Mann has resigned from Labour to take up the post of antisemitism tsar with the Tories.

At least I think this is true....

Who knows these day?

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 7:57 pm
by citizenJA
I'm trying to figure out how many Tory party MPs there are
I think there are only 289 of them

edited including the webpage
https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and ... e-parties/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 7:58 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
It's a good title I'm sure given that no tars were ever even slightly antisemitic.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 8:50 pm
by Lost Soul
PorFavor wrote:
Lost Soul wrote:
PorFavor wrote:In the last half an hour or so, BBC TV News was reporting (with film footage) on some sort of "Brexiteer" v police fracas in Westminster. I've looked everywhere for reference to it, but it seems to have now completely dropped out of sight.
Was it this :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -and-leeds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brexity counter demonstrators
It could well have been a related, break-away incident. The one I'm referring to took place on the approach to the cenotaph.

Thanks.

or this " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ah no...the sun is shining - that's a few days ago.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:11 pm
by PorFavor
Lost Soul wrote: Was it this :

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -and-leeds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brexity counter demonstrators
It could well have been a related, break-away incident. The one I'm referring to took place on the approach to the cenotaph.

Thanks.[/quote]


or this " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ah no...the sun is shining - that's a few days ago.[/quote]


It's cold enough to be already feeling as if it was a few months ago (the sun shining).

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:13 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Its been a nice day up here today.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:17 pm
by PorFavor
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its been a nice day up here today.
Good - but I'd advise you to enjoy it while you can!

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:19 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Well, looks like Amber Rudd has knocked John Mann off the lead headlines.......

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:21 pm
by PorFavor
I'm thinking that Boris Johnson is (highly irresponsibly) trying to play the martyr - knowingly encouraging civil unrest.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:24 pm
by PorFavor
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, looks like Amber Rudd has knocked John Mann off the lead headlines.......
I gather she's resigned from the Cabinet.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:32 pm
by Willow904
PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, looks like Amber Rudd has knocked John Mann off the lead headlines.......
I gather she's resigned from the Cabinet.
More dramatic than that, she's left the Tory party.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:33 pm
by PorFavor
Oh - and the Conservative whip. Is that the 17th LibDem that Gloria Swanson was hinting at, earlier?

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:34 pm
by Willow904
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-09-07/amb ... s-johnson/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Amber Rudd quits Cabinet and Tory Party in huge blow to Boris Johnson

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:37 pm
by PorFavor
@Willow904

Sorry!

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:39 pm
by Willow904
Theresa May must be loving this :D

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:43 pm
by adam
Currently third story on Telegraph homepage. Move along, nothing to see here.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:47 pm
by adam
PorFavor wrote:I'm thinking that Boris Johnson is (highly irresponsibly) trying to play the martyr - knowingly encouraging civil unrest.
It'll be him and 'Tommy' inside together for contempt.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 9:59 pm
by PorFavor
Anna Soubry busily putting Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn in the same extremist bracket.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sat 07 Sep, 2019 11:01 pm
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 7:51 am
by PaulfromYorkshire
PorFavor wrote:Oh - and the Conservative whip. Is that the 17th LibDem that Gloria Swanson was hinting at, earlier?
I think that was "funny tinge" Angela Smith who has joined the Libs.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 8:37 am
by refitman
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Oh - and the Conservative whip. Is that the 17th LibDem that Gloria Swanson was hinting at, earlier?
I think that was "funny tinge" Angela Smith who has joined the Libs.
So they've taken the slightly racist one and the slightly homophobic one!?

(LDV have been wetting themselves with joy over this)

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 10:28 am
by PorFavor
Sajid Javid, on the Andrew Marr programme, was repeatedly side-stepping ruling out the Conservative Party joining forces with Nigel Farage.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 10:49 am
by AnatolyKasparov
refitman wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Oh - and the Conservative whip. Is that the 17th LibDem that Gloria Swanson was hinting at, earlier?
I think that was "funny tinge" Angela Smith who has joined the Libs.
So they've taken the slightly racist one and the slightly homophobic one!?

(LDV have been wetting themselves with joy over this)
Paid apologists for the private water industry are obviously their thing, then.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 10:53 am
by tinyclanger2
Any views on No 10's proposed sabotage? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 95976.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 10:58 am
by AnatolyKasparov
PorFavor wrote:Sajid Javid, on the Andrew Marr programme, was repeatedly side-stepping ruling out the Conservative Party joining forces with Nigel Farage.
If they do that, they can probably say goodbye to another few dozen Tory MPs.

Quite likely the same if they openly break the law re an A50 extension.

These things are not consequence free.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 11:09 am
by PorFavor
tinyclanger2 wrote:Any views on No 10's proposed sabotage? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 95976.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Well, I suppose it's a Plan B, of sorts.

I like to think that the EU has enough expertise at their disposal to scupper this (no doubt Dominic Cummings inspired) move without expending too much time and energy on it.



Edited - to correct a brackets-related error

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 11:32 am
by PorFavor
Although, a "Brexit" backlash would, of course, be inevitable.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 1:04 pm
by tinyclanger2
And Macron?

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 1:12 pm
by PorFavor
tinyclanger2 wrote:And Macron?
Good point. But I would hope that he would look at the wider picture, and seek to protect EU citizens (eg us, at present) from the likes of Boris Johnson.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 1:18 pm
by tinyclanger2
Democracy not feeling so democratic at the moment
In the long term - what's the solution/s?

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 1:20 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Macron postures about giving the UK extensions to the Brexit deadline for his domestic audience.

But with an early GE all but inevitable here, it is almost inconceivable that the EU won't at least wait and see what transpires.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 3:06 pm
by tinyclanger2
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 96546.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brussels’ former top law officer has rubbished Boris Johnson’s extraordinary plan to sabotage the EU and make it ‘no longer legal’, arguing it makes no sense.
Wonder what all this is doing for our global reputation and future negotiating power.

Re: Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th September 2019

Posted: Sun 08 Sep, 2019 3:07 pm
by tinyclanger2
(rigmarole)

... ( and pto)