Wednesday 25th September 2019

Post by **refitman** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 5:37 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 6:38 am

(Fiji v Uruquay)

I have a Fijian work colleague,who I surprised with a thirty year old sachet of coffee and a ten cent piece from Fiji.

Bula.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 7:11 am

Thanks to AK for roundup.

Post by **refitman** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 7:36 am

HindleA wrote:(Fiji v Uruquay)

I have a Fijian work colleague,who I surprised with a thirty year old sachet of coffee and a ten cent piece from Fiji.

Bula.

Your colleague ain't gonna be a happy bunny at the moment.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:23 am

Good morfternoon.

I read that Margaret Beckett's name is being floated as a possible candidate who would be acceptable to most parties. I know we're going back a bit, but I thought she did a good job in the wake of John Smith's death.

On the subject of who might head an interim government, if Boris Johnson were to lose a confidence vote and if the opposition parties were to unite behind someone else who could take over solely to negotiate a Brexit delay with the EU and then hold a general election, Newsnight’s Nicholas Watt says Margaret Beckett is a possible candidate. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Edited to add Guardian quote

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:58 am

Labour Whips
@labourwhips
There will be five oral statements today on:

1) Thomas Cook update - Grant Shapps
2) Brexit readiness and operation yellow hammer - Michael Gove
3) Iran Update - Dominic Raab
4) Update to Parliament - PM
5) Business Statement - Leader of the House

Awaiting news in UQs

Post by **adam** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 11:20 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Labour Whips
@labourwhips
There will be five oral statements today on:

1) Thomas Cook update - Grant Shapps
2) Brexit readiness and operation yellow hammer - Michael Gove
3) Iran Update - Dominic Raab
4) Update to Parliament - PM
5) Business Statement - Leader of the House

Awaiting news in UQs

UQs on AG's advice to government on the case, and on payments made to Johnson's mates at Hacker House.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 11:22 am

The Jennifer Arcuri issue still rumbles on. Good. Sometimes, chipping away at what's left is needed to complete the damage done by the initial explosion.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 11:23 am

Labour conference still going on today despite the parliament recall. Could be a few interesting votes.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 11:32 am

@adam

Whoops!

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 12:35 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

I read that Margaret Beckett's name is being floated as a possible candidate who would be acceptable to most parties. I know we're going back a bit, but I thought she did a good job in the wake of John Smith's death.

She's been supportive of Corbyn from time to time too.

I caught a bit of Newsnight last night, Maitlis asked Hilary Benn straight out if he wanted JC to be PM and he said 'I do' quite convincingly.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 12:38 pm

gilsey wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

I read that Margaret Beckett's name is being floated as a possible candidate who would be acceptable to most parties. I know we're going back a bit, but I thought she did a good job in the wake of John Smith's death.

She's been supportive of Corbyn from time to time too.

I caught a bit of Newsnight last night, Maitlis asked Hilary Benn straight out if he wanted JC to be PM and he said 'I do' quite convincingly.

Yes - I feel that she might prove the most non-divisive (in Labour Party terms, as well as more generally) option.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 12:41 pm

From the accounts of BJ's speech to the UN, he shouldn't be allowed out of the country again, what an embarrassment.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 2:06 pm

I mean, it was just such a *weird* speech.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 2:57 pm

PorFavor wrote:The Jennifer Arcuri issue still rumbles on. Good. Sometimes, chipping away at what's left is needed to complete the damage done by the initial explosion.

Good point.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 3:01 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 3:02 pm

But we musn't indulge in tittle-tattle (the "below stairs" was silent) . . .

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 3:05 pm

Johnson met Arcuri over IT matters, we are told. Of course "IT" has another rather more basic meaning

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 3:49 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 4:24 pm

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 4:54 pm

I'm not a salesperson on the doorstep.
A government responsibly representing people can't be purchased.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 5:42 pm

Marina Hyde's latest piece about Labour in the Graun is a simple hatchet job, with no nuance or subtlety.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 5:47 pm

Grant Shapps lifts sections of speech from Chris Grayling

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Well it would be a shame for his expertise to be wasted.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 5:54 pm

gilsey wrote:From the accounts of BJ's speech to the UN, he shouldn't be allowed out of the country again, what an embarrassment.

Or back in, we could have a penalty points system
(although, too late on this occasion)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 6:11 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Marina Hyde's latest piece about Labour in the Graun is a simple hatchet job, with no nuance or subtlety.

Truly awful.

Remember the Groan Awards?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 6:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Marina Hyde's latest piece about Labour in the Graun is a simple hatchet job, with no nuance or subtlety.

Yep.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 6:16 pm

tinybgoat wrote:Grant Shapps lifts sections of speech from Chris Grayling

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Well it would be a shame for his expertise to be wasted.

Are we quite sure that Shapps and Grayling are not the same person?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 8:02 pm

What’s happening now

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 8:06 pm

British press
Elitist leadership
Toxic politics

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 8:08 pm

Well done us

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 8:51 pm

Some real anger from Labour MPs in the House. Here's Barry Sheerman

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 8:52 pm

Paula Sheriff

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 8:54 pm

Johnson says the best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox would be to get Brexit done.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 8:59 pm

Yes. Truly astonishing stuff.
Not sure where this leaves us as a country but not looking great in the short term.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 9:55 pm

What does anyone think?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 9:55 pm

(Vis a vis this evening’s events)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 9:58 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:(Vis a vis this evening’s events)

He's a nasty piece of work.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:00 pm

Amidst the turmoil in parliament tonight, the Brexit shadow secretary, Matthew Pennycook MP, has resigned, citing his desire to focus his efforts on campaigning “unequivocally” for remain in a second referendum and the imminent arrival of his second child. (Politics Live, Guardian)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:08 pm

10 years ago (Feb 2009) Geerd Wilders was refused entry to UK on grounds of Islamaphobia. Later that same year, the BBC (courtesy of Mark Thompson) hosted Nick Griffin on Question Time and look at us now.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:09 pm

Beth Rigby (Sky) has just said that the Prime Minister was "consciously sowing division".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:12 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:What does anyone think?

It's late and I'm tired. I've been following the House proceedings many hours today. I'll not be able to write until I've had some rest.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:12 pm

I keep recalling those appalling prison sentences for people who’d picked up bottles of water or (in one case) received a pair of shorts in the 2011 riots. How keen the Tories were to show the importance of obeying the law.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:23 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I keep recalling those appalling prison sentences for people who’d picked up bottles of water or (in one case) received a pair of shorts in the 2011 riots. How keen the Torres were to show the importance of obeying the law.

Johnson's Tories aren't bothering with coherence, order or even reason. One example from tonight, Johnson on record in the House saying words then when asked about them, he claimed he didn't say them an hour later. UK Supreme Court ruled he's illegally prorogued Parliament. Johnson declines respecting rule of law. He's like a distasteful below the line troll. His methods are obnoxious lies and outlandish pronouncements. Sane, responsible people must keep a record, confront him, hold him accountable, tell the truth and meet his chaos with calm truth.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:25 pm

I love you all. I'm grateful you're here.
Goodnight, everyone.
cJA

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:43 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:What does anyone think?

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:50 pm

Yes that sums it up

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:53 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:What does anyone think?

The only silver lining I can see is that the Caroline Flint's of this world might reconsider their position.

Labour MPs helping Johnson is now akin to helping the devil

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Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:54 pm

I can scarcely believe what I saw in Parliament tonight.

Quite terrifying.

That repulsive dangerous fucker needs bringing down.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 11:19 pm

Rees-Mogg just promised “an exciting announcement” for tomorrow

God help us.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 25 Sep, 2019 11:42 pm

Businesses deny Gove claims on no-deal preparation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221

In the resumed Commons session, the chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster said: "The automotive sector, who I met this week, confirmed that they were ready, the retail sector said they were ready."

Three attendees at the relevant meeting in Coventry this week told the BBC this was not an accurate reflection of Monday's meeting with manufacturers.

"I was at the meeting. There's no way that is the message he could have gone away with," said one business leader.

Another present, when asked if Mr Gove had been told by the car industry that it was ready, replied: "No! We said we are planning as best we can, but cannot prepare for all eventualities and tariffs alone undermine our viability. We want a deal. No deal is not an option. Catastrophic."