Thursday 3rd October 2019

Post by **refitman** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 6:49 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 9:16 am

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/03/brexit-d ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Brexit delay could be granted by Europe even if Boris doesn’t ask for one

Interesting. We still have to request an extension, but the Benn Act has already requested one in various circumstances which only needs a letter from the executive to enable the EU to grant one and this is being interpreted as not needing to be Boris but could be a leading civil servant, who would presumably oblige because it's the law.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 9:16 am

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/oc ... ension-age" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 9:33 am

Making women's pension age the same as men's is right and would have been easy to defend if it hadn't been muddled up with making everybody wait longer to save money, which has made it wrong, basically.

Equality could have been achieved by lowering men's pension age. That way, women's pension age would only have needed to be raised by a couple of years.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 9:50 am

Willow904 wrote:https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/03/brexit-d ... ssion=true

Brexit delay could be granted by Europe even if Boris doesn’t ask for one
Interesting. We still have to request an extension, but the Benn Act has already requested one in various circumstances which only needs a letter from the executive to enable the EU to grant one and this is being interpreted as not needing to be Boris but could be a leading civil servant, who would presumably oblige because it's the law.

Some were pointing this out not long after the bill was passed.

But even if he doesn't personally request it, an extension surely has to hurt Johnson given his previous rhetoric.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 10:21 am

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/ ... high-court" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 10:25 am

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:16 am

Attorney general says US-style appointments system floated by PM would be 'wholly retrograde step' (Politics Live, Guardian)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:25 am

Good morning, everyone.

Post by **adam** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:30 am

PorFavor wrote:
Attorney general says US-style appointments system floated by PM would be 'wholly retrograde step' (Politics Live, Guardian)

He was the one who said it might be necessary. To be fair he said he wouldn't be enthusiastic about it, but it was him who floated the idea.

Judicial appointments may have to be approved by MPs as courts become more political, Cox suggests

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:53 am

Morning all.

From AS...

Having said it wanted no border in Northern Ireland, now it is proposing two borders.

Corbyn says the reaction from businesses in Northern Ireland has been “very stark”.

Here is a Guardian story about the business reaction to the plan in Northern Ireland. (Corbyn’s assessment is correct.)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:02 pm

Thank you, everyone. Flythenest is an irreplaceable news resource.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:03 pm

http://www.scottishcare.org/scottish-ca ... cial-care/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:23 pm

More bluster from BoJo, was it?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:26 pm

The EU's "Brexit" Steering Group is due to publish a report on the proposals this afternoon which will be "damning". Apparently, they have "grave concerns" (Sky News).

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:44 pm

Tim Shipman
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Alistair Burt now praising Johnson’s tone. One of the 21 rebels sounding warm. Asks if he is still open to further movement. Boris says that’s right but says “we have already moved quite some way”

12:14 PM - 3 Oct 2019

So not the final offer then?

Glad we have this all sorted out now...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:45 pm

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/9/10/e029424" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:48 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... rless-cars" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 12:49 pm

James Forsyth
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Boris Johnson’s new Commons tactic is to offer to meet any MP who expresses specific concerns. Has already done that with Lady Hermon and Yvette Cooper
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12:19 PM - Oct 3, 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Yes - it is a tactic. I hope the MPs concerned take witnesses.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 1:00 pm

PorFavor wrote:The EU's "Brexit" Steering Group is due to publish a report on the proposals this afternoon which will be "damning". Apparently, they have "grave concerns" (Sky News).

But the Tory whips were telling "journalists" they would all vote for it now!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 1:20 pm

Oops.

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Strong indications the Govt is willing to make further compromises on Brexit deal in order to get to formal negotiations

Boris Johnson repeatedly declines to say that his offer is ‘final’ in the Commons

Ministers tells me the No 10 line that the deal was final was ‘unhelpful’

1:11 PM - 3 Oct 2019

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 1:57 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oops.

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Strong indications the Govt is willing to make further compromises on Brexit deal in order to get to formal negotiations

Boris Johnson repeatedly declines to say that his offer is ‘final’ in the Commons

Ministers tells me the No 10 line that the deal was final was ‘unhelpful’

1:11 PM - 3 Oct 2019

And Mark Francois says?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 1:57 pm

Willow904 wrote:Making women's pension age the same as men's is right and would have been easy to defend if it hadn't been muddled up with making everybody wait longer to save money, which has made it wrong, basically.

Equality could have been achieved by lowering men's pension age. That way, women's pension age would only have needed to be raised by a couple of years.

As one of the worst affected, I thought the 1995 change was fair enough really. I would have got mine May 2018.

To change it again in 2011 before the first one had unwound was completely out of order and the only thing I've ever written to my MP and the local paper about. I still wonder what would have happened if the vociferous WASPI had woken up to it then.
I couldn't support their muddling of the 2 changes, how could you admit to thinking, in the 21st century, that retiring 5 years before a man of the same age was ok? Where had they been that they didn't know?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 2:02 pm

And as Anna Soubry pointed out, the DUP didn't bother to turn up to the Commons today.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 2:05 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tim Shipman
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Alistair Burt now praising Johnson’s tone. One of the 21 rebels sounding warm. Asks if he is still open to further movement. Boris says that’s right but says “we have already moved quite some way”

12:14 PM - 3 Oct 2019
So not the final offer then?

Glad we have this all sorted out now...

They've moved some way backwards as far as I can see. More acceptable to the DUP and the ERG, less acceptable to the EU.

'Further movement' is just stringing parliament along for a bit longer.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 2:19 pm

14:18
EU parliament says Boris Johnson's Brexit plan not remotely acceptable (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 2:33 pm

I received the letter of doom today. DLA>PIP. If, as I expect, it's going to involve leaving the house for "assessment" then I'm stuffed. I haven't left the house for over a year. I'm stressed! Just thought I'd share that . . .

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 2:47 pm

Sorry to hear that, PF.

Hope things turn out better than you currently seem to be expecting.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 2:48 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Sorry to hear that, PF.

Hope things turn out better than you currently seem to be expecting.

Thank you.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 3:39 pm

Likewise PF

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 3:39 pm

Surprising and unexpected.

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ctor-sinks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 3:50 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Surprising and unexpected.

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ctor-sinks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You forgot "interesting" . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 3:52 pm

Q: What will you do in the event of no deal?

Varadkar says Ireland would take steps to protect the single market.

But he says that is very different from Ireland signing up willingly to an international agreement that would require these measures. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)

Quite.

Post by **adam** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 3:57 pm

It would seem today is the day Trump shoots someone dead on 5th Avenue.

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 6:01 pm

George Conway, husband to Trump’s adviser Kellyanne Conway and a persistent thorn in the president’s side, has resumed his criticism of the president in an article for the Atlantic.

[George Conway is quoted as saying:] "You don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, and you don’t need to be a mental-health professional to see that something’s very seriously off with Trump—particularly after nearly three years of watching his erratic and abnormal behavior in the White House." (US Politics Live, Guardian)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 6:05 pm

PorFavor wrote:I received the letter of doom today. DLA>PIP. If, as I expect, it's going to involve leaving the house for "assessment" then I'm stuffed. I haven't left the house for over a year. I'm stressed! Just thought I'd share that . . .

Other people I know have said they've been going through the transfer from DLA to PIP this year. The rollout has been behind I believe, I wonder if there's been a push to catch up. I'll keep my fingers crossed you can have a home assessment, I know some people get them. Or even better that Labour get into government and no one has to worry about it at all any more. That would be nice.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 6:10 pm

It certainly would be nice!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 6:23 pm

Neglected NHS cancer hospital is unfit for purpose, says report

Mount Vernon in Boris Johnson’s constituency is so short-staffed it cannot provide safe care, review finds (Guardian - my emphasis)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... sed-report

Remind me again why people vote for him . . .

Edited - to add the "my emphasis" bit

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 7:03 pm

Sky TV News -

A former aide says that Boris Johnson made a personal request for Jennifer Arcuri to accompany him on a business trip.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 7:20 pm

PorFavor wrote:I received the letter of doom today. DLA>PIP. If, as I expect, it's going to involve leaving the house for "assessment" then I'm stuffed. I haven't left the house for over a year. I'm stressed! Just thought I'd share that . . .

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 8:07 pm

I notice the Telegraph - surprisingly enough - were trying to do a "Nothing to see here!" with their chief sycophant Alison Pearson the other day.

Normal people couldn’t give a monkey’s about 'Gropegate' – they're still backing Boris

Yes, that's right - that really is the only problem right now...

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 10:23 pm

PorFavor wrote:I received the letter of doom today. DLA>PIP. If, as I expect, it's going to involve leaving the house for "assessment" then I'm stuffed. I haven't left the house for over a year. I'm stressed! Just thought I'd share that . . .

I feel your pain, sent off my ESA 50 form last week so am now waiting for the date of my own delightful 'assessment'. Once again I'm having to prove I'm batshit crazy. If only this forum counted as medical evidence.

You can request a home visit for PIP if that helps.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 10:40 pm

Willow904 wrote:that Labour get into government and no one has to worry about it at all any more. That would be nice.

Indeed it would. It would also be righting a wrong they began in the first place.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:00 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:09 pm

"replace them with a personalised, holistic assessment process that provides each individual with a tailored plan, building on their strengths and addressing barriers. "

Largely the oft repeated waffle that created them,without detail it remains waffle.Shall we say the discriminatory highly retrograde (ie State control/knows best) proposals re.Social.Care I found somewhat "disappointing"Watch politicos like a hawk,I would say.

I am in Brussels ,"negotiating"the streets.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:34 pm

It does indeed sound like waffle. Why not a simple transparent system overseen by doctors who take all medical and professional evidence into account? How hard is that? Bringing in private companies to 'assess' sick and disabled people for a profit was a disgrace for which Labour should forever feel shame.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:39 pm

To be fair,ending private assessment and some welcome reversals.I will never be completely happy in these areas of import to me,nor should I be

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:40 pm

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-6304445" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

QT report ? Please

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:45 pm

HindleA wrote:I am in Brussels ,"negotiating"the streets.

Some cheap wine bringing back would be appreciated if you've any room left after stuffing your luggage and pockets with fags.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 03 Oct, 2019 11:51 pm

Both parties have indulged in several decades of the collusive you lot put X on the sick,it was I am afraid an inevitable result of finding the "missing million"