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Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 6:55 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 10:18 am
by citizenJA
Good morning, everyone.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 10:46 am
by gilsey
Barclay's told the ExEU committee that Johnson will request an extension if there's no deal agreed.

Asked (Crabb): if there was a deal agreed, would they request a 'technical extension' to deal with the legalities? Answer: no, it's very important that we leave 31/10.

Won't answer questions about the border.

Farce.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 11:09 am
by citizenJA
gilsey wrote:Barclay's told the ExEU committee that Johnson will request an extension if there's no deal agreed.

Asked (Crabb): if there was a deal agreed, would they request a 'technical extension' to deal with the legalities? Answer: no, it's very important that we leave 31/10.

Won't answer questions about the border.

Farce.
I'm increasingly bothered by the lack of critical analysis of this disaster. Where are we going?

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 11:20 am
by AnatolyKasparov
gilsey wrote:Barclay's told the ExEU committee that Johnson will request an extension if there's no deal agreed.

Asked (Crabb): if there was a deal agreed, would they request a 'technical extension' to deal with the legalities? Answer: no, it's very important that we leave 31/10.

Won't answer questions about the border.

Farce.
Even less incentive for undecided MPs to back any deal, then.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 12:53 pm
by citizenJA
...the plan (the full details of which have yet to be revealed)...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... 62358ff098" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
referring to Johnson's 'deal'
The opacity of these proceedings are discouraging.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 12:54 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
I agree JA it seems like the journos have just given up!

All the more reason for us to discuss here.....

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:07 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Now reported that the opposition might vote against the planned Saturday sitting for parliament. Though there isn't much point anyway if Johnson doesn't have a deal?

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:27 pm
by citizenJA
No-one knows what on earth is happening.
Ian Dunt
Wednesday, 16 October 2019
https://politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/10/16 ... ing-on-now" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:33 pm
by citizenJA
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I agree JA it seems like the journos have just given up!

All the more reason for us to discuss here.....
I'd love to discuss what's going on.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:36 pm
by citizenJA
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Now reported that the opposition might vote against the planned Saturday sitting for parliament. Though there isn't much point anyway if Johnson doesn't have a deal?
(cJA bold)
He's blown it then. He's got to ask for an extension. What's the pussyfooting around?

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:37 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
It seems that number 10 have simply stopped briefing, either officially or through trusted sources.

Given the absolute state of our media, that means LauraK and the rest have nothing to report.

God forbid they would actually do any investigation....

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:40 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Indeed this is quite an interesting new thread, in which LauraK doesn't have a clue what's happening :lol:

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Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:46 pm
by citizenJA
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It seems that number 10 have simply stopped briefing, either officially or through trusted sources.

Given the absolute state of our media, that means LauraK and the rest have nothing to report.

God forbid they would actually do any investigation....
This is outrageous

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 1:52 pm
by citizenJA
The growing reliance on anonymous briefings allows Downing Street to push narratives without having to take responsibility for them. Rasmus Nielsen, director of the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism, has said that British journalists are being “played like an instrument” when they publish stories based on government leaks and anonymous sources. There is also no way for proper public scrutiny to be placed on such a source.

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No kidding

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 2:31 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Peston is if anything even more "hilarious" in this regard than Laura K.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 2:40 pm
by citizenJA
downbeat has two definitions
- pessimistic or gloomy
- relaxed and understated

I guess Peston meant pessimistic?

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 5:06 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
However Geoffrey Cox is apparently "upbeat" .

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 5:18 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:However Geoffrey Cox is apparently "upbeat" .
Did he say that in his "booming" Brian Blessed style voice?

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 5:24 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
PM's Brexit status report suggests that we are at a "slithery lap" , confusingly (7,4).

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 5:25 pm
by PaulfromYorkshire
Hint

He also said the summit was shrouded in mist :roll:

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 6:56 pm
by citizenJA
In the absence of any clear briefings or announcements, the battle for the narrative is continuing on Twitter...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... 8b3b9dd302" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 8:54 pm
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 9:43 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Evening all. Busy day today - library and then straight out again to Governing Body meeting.

I guess from the above there are things going on but nobody knows what.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 10:22 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Oh my - just seen the letter that Trump sent to the president of Turkey.

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Not sure whether it rates a :roll: , a :lol: , or a :shock:

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 10:54 pm
by gilsey
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:PM's Brexit status report suggests that we are at a "slithery lap" , confusingly (7,4).
Otto English
@Otto_English
Boris Johnson, referring to Everest, told the 1922 committee "We’re on the Hillary Step going strong for the summit."

The Hillary Step hasn't existed since 2015 when it was destroyed in an earthquake.
Quite appropriate really.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 10:56 pm
by gilsey
This is happening.
Louise Ellman MP
@LouiseEllman
I have made the truly agonising decision to leave the Labour Party after 55 years. I can no longer advocate voting Labour when it risks Corbyn becoming PM. I will continue to serve the people of Liverpool Riverside as I have had the honour to do since 1997.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 10:59 pm
by gilsey
RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh my - just seen the letter that Trump sent to the president of Turkey.

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Not sure whether it rates a :roll: , a :lol: , or a :shock:
The only good thing about Trump is the constant reminder that the US is even more f***ed than the UK.

Re: Wednesday 16th October 2019

Posted: Wed 16 Oct, 2019 11:27 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Will Black

Verified account

@WillBlackWriter
34m34 minutes ago
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Brexshitter Bernard Jenkin: "Can I just correct you...blah blah blah...we've just heard Gavin Esler..."

Emma Barnett: "That wasn't Gavin Esler and he doesn't work here any more. That was Mark Urban."

The sooner the ERG metaphorically dies in a ditch the better.

#Newsnight
:D