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For this reason, as we shift to a new stage in Syria's history, it is important to know that we will probably shift from instability caused by military incursions to instability caused by massive economic and legal inequality that we should not expect the regime to end or change.

gilsey wrote:Apart from the fact that Johnson is vanishingly unlikely to agree to a ref, it brings with it the horror of at least 6 months more of tory govt.

Number 10 are now saying that a deal has been done. Congratulations. After three years of hard work, two prime ministers and holding all the cards, you have beaten the EU into accepting one of their own initial suggestions, which Parliament will now reject.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Corbyn: “This sell out deal won’t bring the country together and should be rejected. The best way to get Brexit sorted is to give the people the final say in a public vote.”

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Corbyn: “This sell out deal won’t bring the country together and should be rejected. The best way to get Brexit sorted is to give the people the final say in a public vote.”

That's only going to infuriate people. He didn't say 'The People's Vote'. With capitals.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:So presumably Parliament will vote to sit on Saturday and there will be a vote on an amendment to attach a confirmatory referendum.

Would the amendment carry?

And would the bill then pass?

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The new #BrexitDeal is economically worse for Britain than the one negotiated by Theresa May last year

Lost Soul wrote:On a positive note - Faridge isn't happy !

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'This is not brexit '

In the short term, for Conservative MPs voting for a Deal the ERG is on board with is a low risk option. They get to claim Brexit has happened without voters feeling any sudden economic or social pain.
What happens when Brexit Transition needs to be extended is another matter

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And for the EU a scenario where the UK repeatedly has to ask for transition extensions is ideal. EU states can simply extend a process in which the UK enforces EU laws it has no control over without having to worry about UK disruption of EU governance

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a structured form of Soft Brexit would probably give the UK more space to influence the EU system through renegotiated shared structures than a simple transition process involving all responsibilities of EU membership without legislative rights

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Excuse the long thread, but I have looked carefully at the #BrexitDeal negotiated by Boris Johnson. Here is my analysis: 1/

Labour’s concerns with Theresa May’s deal were not principally about the backstop. They were about the Political Declaration and our future relationship with the EU after Brexit. 2/

Having reviewed what has been agreed, it is clear that the Johnson deal is a far worse deal than Theresa May’s deal. It paves the way for a decade of deregulation. It gives Johnson licence to slash workers’ rights, environmental standards and consumer protections. 3/

Rather than strengthening the Political Declaration (PD) along the lines Labour argued, the political direction of travel under Johnson is to a distant economic relationship with the EU. It rules out a new Customs Union and a close future relationship with the Single Market. 4/

This inevitably means there will be new trade barriers with the EU and additional checks at borders. The PD is explicit about this. And the Johnson deal makes it easier for a Tory Government to cut rights and standards. 5/

On services, the PD offers nothing beyond the weak provisions in the Theresa May deal. Nor has there been any progress on the question of agencies and our future security relationship. 6/

The level playing field commitments are significantly weaker: no longer building on the measures in the old Withdrawal Agreement, which provided for dynamic alignment in certain areas. 7/

Instead, the level playing field provisions only last until the end of transition with a warning shot from the EU about the impact this will have on (reduced) access to EU markets. 8/

Labour will not support a flawed Brexit deal that harms jobs, rights and living standards. This deal will unquestionably do that. 9/

Labour cannot support this deal. If Boris Johnson has confidence in his deal, he should put it back to the people in a public vote against remain - and that is an argument we will be making on Saturday. 10/

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Goodwin is biased, and assuming the Tories who Johnson chucked out of the parliamentary party will vote for it en masse.

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Ronnie Campbell the Blyth Valley Labour MP on Radio 5 now saying he'll vote for it which comes as no surprise.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The more important question is whether an amendment to add a referendum would carry. What do we think?

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The more important question is whether an amendment to add a referendum would carry. What do we think?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Though amusingly, Hoey might vote against because the DUP hate it! Just imagine if her vote swung it against BoJo

But a senior EU official said that the leaders would follow events on Saturday, and reflect on the next steps if they were in a “different situation”.

A second diplomatic source said they had chosen not to interfere in a “sensitive domestic debate … but they leave the door open to the possibility of an extension, to be discussed at a later stage – if required”.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It would require an extension. Which may not be granted.

Apart from that none really.

tinyclanger2 wrote:Looking foreword to Johnson’s plan for making Britain great again - given it will no longer exist.