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There is (inevitably perhaps) an amendment that might get voted on tomorrow that could be a massive spanner in the works, even tho the MP who designed it says that's not his intention

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

citizenJA wrote:What is the LibDem position now, please?

A good night U-turn from JA

Willow904 wrote:

Laura Kuenssberg
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There is (inevitably perhaps) an amendment that might get voted on tomorrow that could be a massive spanner in the works, even tho the MP who designed it says that's not his intention

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I'm struggling to see the spanner Kuenssberg is referring to. Letwin wants to pass an amendment attached to the deal if it's voted through that requires Boris Johnson to secure an extension so that we don't accidentally fall out of the EU if the ratification process lasts beyond 31st Oct, which it probably will. How is this a "spanner" when its Johnson's deal and he wants to leave with it?

citizenJA wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

citizenJA wrote:What is the LibDem position now, please?

A good night U-turn from JA

Mr citizen came home with the information. Today, I made the mistake of relying on one news source for political coverage.

The test of this or any deal’s merit is not whether it is preferable to the worst outcome, but how faithfully it satisfies the initial promise of Brexit. The benchmark is a comparison with the benefits of EU membership. If, in 2016, anyone had described the leave option in terms identical to the deal now on offer, Mr Johnson would have called it fear-mongering and defeatism. Yet now it is his prized accomplishment.

There is now an answer to the question of what Brexit means and its cheerleaders are justly afraid to subject it to scrutiny. Mr Johnson’s plan is to railroad his deal through parliament with the aid of MPs who simply want to declare that the deed is done. But to acquiesce in that subterfuge, without due diligence, is not an exercise in democracy. It is easy to see how the prime minister’s interests would be served, but not the interests of the country.

Brexit is a choice that will reverberate for generations. It requires informed consent from those who must live with the consequences. If leavers are so confident that their project still meets the test of public support they should not be afraid to present it for ratification at the ballot box. It is time the people themselves were included in the decision.

The Guardian view on the Brexit vote: bin this bad deal

Manufacturers express deep misgivings over Johnson’s Brexit deal

Clearly distressed by the government’s push for a harder Brexit than was agreed by Theresa May, chief executives from the aerospace, automotive, food and drink, chemicals, and pharmaceutical sectors, said their main concern was being excluded from EU regulatory institutions – a move that would diminish their influence and increase their costs.

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citizenJA wrote:I think the LibDems will support Johnson's arrangement if there's a confirmation referendum attached to it. Please correct me if I've not got it right.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good point that not only is Johnson proposing a bill he and May both said was unthinkable, she will vote for it.

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The Boris deal gives companies a strong incentive to relocate to Northern Ireland. They’d benefit from frictionless EU access and future UK trade deals. Makes for a richer Ulster and, ergo, a stronger union. Leader in the Spectator:

HindleA wrote:@Willow,prioritising family over the selfish pursuit of career,/the "loss" of employment and "being forced" to do the very.fundamental of what you should be doing ;in sickness/,health mysteriously forgotten.I detest the devaluing of people in such disgraceful presentation.If an organisation trawls on such all pervasive narrative it will find what it wants.

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On Radio 4's PM, Priti Patel repeated Raab's claim this AM that this is a "great deal" for NI because they get "frictionless trade with the EU. As with Raab, the interviewer missed the obv qn: if frictionless trade is such a good thing, why can't the whole of the UK have it?