Saturday 26th October & Sunday 27th October 2019

Post by **refitman** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 8:31 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 10:22 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tion-rates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory NHS shake-up blamed for fall in child vaccination rates

This was pretty obvious from the figures and the media should have spotted it and asked questions rather than run with the government's whole anti-vaxxers narrative. Although there has been a small drop off in 1st vaccinations which could be due to anti-vax sentiment, it's the bigger drop off in follow up vaccinations that jumps out. People who do the first jab but not the second are far more likely to have missed out because of a poor notification and delivery system than reluctance. Hence take up when parents are still in regular contact with health visitors has always been better than when the only contact is by letter and that last pre-school booster can be the hardest to make sure everyone has. I'm not really in favour of vaccinations being compulsory to attend school, as the government is suggesting, but I think starting school could provide an opportunity to check everyone's up to date and offer catch up vaccinations at school clinics for those who want them.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 10:52 am

Good morning all.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:07 am

Well.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:17 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.

Rugby eh?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:25 am

refitman wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.
Rugby eh?

Indeed.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:27 am

In other news...

DUP conference: Arlene Foster to reaffirm opposition to Brexit deal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50189349

Last year, Boris Johnson was centre stage at the DUP conference and his relationship with the party seemed strong.

One year on, the now-prime minister and the DUP are at odds over the government's Brexit strategy and there will be no Conservative MPs present at Saturday's conference.

The party opposes the consent mechanism in the deal that would give Stormont a straight majority vote on continuing EU customs rules.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:31 am

And for something completely different...the latest from Susan Oosthuizen

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 11:40 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.

Let's hope that Wales can do similar!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 12:20 pm

The TPA are having their usual whine about the public sector.

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ARE YOU SERIOUS?! A senior NHS boss got a £200k redundancy package...and he joined the NHS in a new senior role a couple of months later!

Seems to me that if you run the NHS as a lot of different - and competing - businesses then you run the risk of this happening - chap gets made redundant from one "company" and then turns up working for a different one later.

I doubt that you could stop this happening - any such provision in his contract would get thrown out for restraint of trade.

One of our technical production managers was made redundant and then was later hired by a company in the same part of the group.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 1:02 pm

DUP conference exciting a little more interest this year:

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Slugger O'Toole
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With no sign of the embargoed copy of the leader’s speech this close to delivery, press beginning to speculate whether there’s a big reveal ... or whether it will be a quiet affair that doesn’t further rock the Tory boat #dup19

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 1:06 pm

Although the more long term position and ambitions of the various parties seem relatively clear, I'm really struggling to predict what their short term moves will be. "If in doubt, do nowt" seems a favourite approach, however, so I'm guessing Arlene's speech will probably be a disappointment for those hoping for fireworks and an end to the Brexit impasse.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 5:33 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rn-ireland" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

DUP says Johnson's Brexit deal would take Northern Ireland in 'wrong direction'

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 6:41 pm

Worth recalling perhaps that the QS only passed on Thursday thanks to their support.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 7:12 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Worth recalling perhaps that the QS only passed on Thursday thanks to their support.

Not much choice, really, voting it down would only hasten the GE that will lose them seats and end their role as kingmaker.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 7:13 pm

Latest is that they are "on board" for a December GE, however - motwyw!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 7:16 pm

Brexit referendum should never have been called, say majority of voters (Observer)

Yet another poll - for what it's worth.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ver-labour

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 7:19 pm

Well they needn't be so seemingly grateful to the Tories for it, then.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 7:26 pm

By the way, it took me a very long time to work out what "motwyw" stood for. At first, I thought it was something in Welsh.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 26 Oct, 2019 9:59 pm

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 1:21 am

Don't forget your clocks, everyone

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 1:32 am

I stopped trying to wind them up some time ago

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 1:33 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 1:39 am

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 8:22 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Don't forget your clocks, everyone

And on here:

User control panel > Board preferences > Summer time/DST > No.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 9:12 am

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Michael Savage
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NEW: A new plan tonight to offer Boris Johnson the pre-Christmas election he craves.

The Lib Dems have drawn up a bill that would allow Johnson to secure a December election with a simple majority of MPs. Crucially, the SNP will back it.

This is coming from the Observer, so I'd take the DUP backing it with a pinch of salt, however....there is some merit in the idea of Parliament amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in order to take control of the timing.

The difficulty for me is an election risks Johnson gaining a majority to put together with the Henry VIII powers on Brexit and an extra couple of years to screw the country over.

As such, the idea of having a referendum on Johnson's deal before a GE also has merit. Much harder to achieve, though.

Post by **adam** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 9:30 am

Willow904 wrote:
Michael Savage
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NEW: A new plan tonight to offer Boris Johnson the pre-Christmas election he craves.

The Lib Dems have drawn up a bill that would allow Johnson to secure a December election with a simple majority of MPs. Crucially, the SNP will back it.
This is coming from the Observer, so I'd take the DUP backing it with a pinch of salt, however....there is some merit in the idea of Parliament amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in order to take control of the timing.

The difficulty for me is an election risks Johnson gaining a majority to put together with the Henry VIII powers on Brexit and an extra couple of years to screw the country over.

As such, the idea of having a referendum on Johnson's deal before a GE also has merit. Much harder to achieve, though.

Has there been a more pointless piece of legislation in recent times than the fixed term parliament act? I wonder if the way to fix it would be to get rid of the ability of parliament to actively choose an election, even with an enhanced majority, but instead limit it to a no-confidence vote. If a government wants to cut and run early it has to submit to that indignity.

On powers, the Indie is reporting that amongst other things the government are intent on abandoning the trade bill working its way through parliament heavily amended to keep relevant regulatory issues under proper legislative control and not under government whim, and starting over with a new bill that goes back to Henry VIII powers and turns the situation back into a rush for deregulation.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 9:58 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Don't forget your clocks, everyone

And on here:

User control panel > Board preferences > Summer time/DST > No.

Thank you.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 10:02 am

Soweto Kinch
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Jo Swinson posturing as the vanguard of oppressed minorities is peak 2019 #marr

a clarion call for tinge activism everywhere

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 10:13 am

The thing is that trying to change the FTPA would surely be time consuming, so would likely rule out a GE this year anyway?

Post by **refitman** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 10:17 am

Surprising amount of disagreement, over at LDV, regarding Swinson's pre-Xmas election idea.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 10:55 am

Now being reported that the Tories will oppose the Swinson "plan".

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 12:57 pm

It's like a 4 way Mexican stand off.

I'm assuming Boris doesn't want to continue with his deal as he knows sensible amendments could succeed, but does that include a confirmatory referendum? Are the numbers there?

I still think May's deal was better than what we're facing now. Even if she had wanted a deal like Johnson's eventually, she would have needed to successfully negotiate it before we broke away from EU alignment. A rapid US trade deal would have been out of the question. As things stand now, danger is lurking around every corner.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 1:17 pm

It is generally agreed there aren't the numbers there for a referendum in the present HoC, even if it might be closer than before.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 1:59 pm

No 10 to explore other routes towards election after Lib Dem proposal

Downing Street hints at bill-based path if MPs do not back election motion on Monday
(Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ns-impasse

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 2:46 pm

Where would we be without the word "impasse"?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 2:51 pm

The thing about a bill is that it can be amended, which takes time.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 7:47 pm

I just had to do the "30 days hath September, April, June, and November" thing in my head because I couldn't remember how many days were in October. How on earth did that happen?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 7:48 pm

Getting old?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 8:04 pm

Mind numbing over-exposure is also a possible reason.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 8:35 pm

Tell me about it........

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 10:13 pm

Spent a couple of days with Hindle/CJA and now I don't feel so good.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 10:39 pm

What is cJA like in person?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 11:08 pm

Ok so me, Hindle, CJA and her significant other met up this weekend and guess what?

We had hugs and talked about stuff and it was interesting.

And isn't that what makes life fascinating? We all need our preconceptions questioned and what better to meet one of you?

We all imagine what each other of us here is like. I can confirm that that picture you have of anyone is probably very wrong.

My imagined picture of CJA was wholly wrong.

I beleive Hindle had to describe me as 'weirdly normal'.

I can live with that.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 11:36 pm

My offer of a big fucking cuddle is open to you all.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 11:43 pm

What I love is....

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 11:45 pm

You should have banned me a long time ago.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 27 Oct, 2019 11:52 pm

Not all of us are what we seem.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 28 Oct, 2019 12:16 am

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 28 Oct, 2019 12:26 am

And better late than never, we have a PTO.

(or perhaps not, thanks to Sky doing the AH trick)