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Saturday 26th October & Sunday 27th October 2019
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This was pretty obvious from the figures and the media should have spotted it and asked questions rather than run with the government's whole anti-vaxxers narrative. Although there has been a small drop off in 1st vaccinations which could be due to anti-vax sentiment, it's the bigger drop off in follow up vaccinations that jumps out. People who do the first jab but not the second are far more likely to have missed out because of a poor notification and delivery system than reluctance. Hence take up when parents are still in regular contact with health visitors has always been better than when the only contact is by letter and that last pre-school booster can be the hardest to make sure everyone has. I'm not really in favour of vaccinations being compulsory to attend school, as the government is suggesting, but I think starting school could provide an opportunity to check everyone's up to date and offer catch up vaccinations at school clinics for those who want them.Tory NHS shake-up blamed for fall in child vaccination rates
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Good morning all.
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Well.
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Rugby eh?RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.
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Indeed.refitman wrote:Rugby eh?RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.
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In other news...
DUP conference: Arlene Foster to reaffirm opposition to Brexit deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50189349
DUP conference: Arlene Foster to reaffirm opposition to Brexit deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-50189349
Last year, Boris Johnson was centre stage at the DUP conference and his relationship with the party seemed strong.
One year on, the now-prime minister and the DUP are at odds over the government's Brexit strategy and there will be no Conservative MPs present at Saturday's conference.
The party opposes the consent mechanism in the deal that would give Stormont a straight majority vote on continuing EU customs rules.
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And for something completely different...the latest from Susan Oosthuizen
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Let's hope that Wales can do similar!RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.
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The TPA are having their usual whine about the public sector.
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I doubt that you could stop this happening - any such provision in his contract would get thrown out for restraint of trade.
One of our technical production managers was made redundant and then was later hired by a company in the same part of the group.
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Seems to me that if you run the NHS as a lot of different - and competing - businesses then you run the risk of this happening - chap gets made redundant from one "company" and then turns up working for a different one later.TaxPayers' Alliance
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?! A senior NHS boss got a £200k redundancy package...and he joined the NHS in a new senior role a couple of months later!
I doubt that you could stop this happening - any such provision in his contract would get thrown out for restraint of trade.
One of our technical production managers was made redundant and then was later hired by a company in the same part of the group.
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DUP conference exciting a little more interest this year:
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With no sign of the embargoed copy of the leader’s speech this close to delivery, press beginning to speculate whether there’s a big reveal ... or whether it will be a quiet affair that doesn’t further rock the Tory boat #dup19
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Although the more long term position and ambitions of the various parties seem relatively clear, I'm really struggling to predict what their short term moves will be. "If in doubt, do nowt" seems a favourite approach, however, so I'm guessing Arlene's speech will probably be a disappointment for those hoping for fireworks and an end to the Brexit impasse.
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DUP says Johnson's Brexit deal would take Northern Ireland in 'wrong direction'
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Worth recalling perhaps that the QS only passed on Thursday thanks to their support.
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Not much choice, really, voting it down would only hasten the GE that will lose them seats and end their role as kingmaker.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Worth recalling perhaps that the QS only passed on Thursday thanks to their support.
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Latest is that they are "on board" for a December GE, however - motwyw!
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Yet another poll - for what it's worth.Brexit referendum should never have been called, say majority of voters (Observer)
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Well they needn't be so seemingly grateful to the Tories for it, then.
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By the way, it took me a very long time to work out what "motwyw" stood for. At first, I thought it was something in Welsh.
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Don't forget your clocks, everyone
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I stopped trying to wind them up some time ago
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Don't forget your clocks, everyone
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The difficulty for me is an election risks Johnson gaining a majority to put together with the Henry VIII powers on Brexit and an extra couple of years to screw the country over.
As such, the idea of having a referendum on Johnson's deal before a GE also has merit. Much harder to achieve, though.
This is coming from the Observer, so I'd take the DUP backing it with a pinch of salt, however....there is some merit in the idea of Parliament amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in order to take control of the timing.Michael Savage
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NEW: A new plan tonight to offer Boris Johnson the pre-Christmas election he craves.
The Lib Dems have drawn up a bill that would allow Johnson to secure a December election with a simple majority of MPs. Crucially, the SNP will back it.
The difficulty for me is an election risks Johnson gaining a majority to put together with the Henry VIII powers on Brexit and an extra couple of years to screw the country over.
As such, the idea of having a referendum on Johnson's deal before a GE also has merit. Much harder to achieve, though.
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Has there been a more pointless piece of legislation in recent times than the fixed term parliament act? I wonder if the way to fix it would be to get rid of the ability of parliament to actively choose an election, even with an enhanced majority, but instead limit it to a no-confidence vote. If a government wants to cut and run early it has to submit to that indignity.Willow904 wrote:This is coming from the Observer, so I'd take the DUP backing it with a pinch of salt, however....there is some merit in the idea of Parliament amending the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in order to take control of the timing.Michael Savage
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NEW: A new plan tonight to offer Boris Johnson the pre-Christmas election he craves.
The Lib Dems have drawn up a bill that would allow Johnson to secure a December election with a simple majority of MPs. Crucially, the SNP will back it.
The difficulty for me is an election risks Johnson gaining a majority to put together with the Henry VIII powers on Brexit and an extra couple of years to screw the country over.
As such, the idea of having a referendum on Johnson's deal before a GE also has merit. Much harder to achieve, though.
On powers, the Indie is reporting that amongst other things the government are intent on abandoning the trade bill working its way through parliament heavily amended to keep relevant regulatory issues under proper legislative control and not under government whim, and starting over with a new bill that goes back to Henry VIII powers and turns the situation back into a rush for deregulation.
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Thank you.RogerOThornhill wrote:AnatolyKasparov wrote:Don't forget your clocks, everyone
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Jo Swinson posturing as the vanguard of oppressed minorities is peak 2019 #marr
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The thing is that trying to change the FTPA would surely be time consuming, so would likely rule out a GE this year anyway?
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Surprising amount of disagreement, over at LDV, regarding Swinson's pre-Xmas election idea.
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Now being reported that the Tories will oppose the Swinson "plan".
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It's like a 4 way Mexican stand off.
I'm assuming Boris doesn't want to continue with his deal as he knows sensible amendments could succeed, but does that include a confirmatory referendum? Are the numbers there?
I still think May's deal was better than what we're facing now. Even if she had wanted a deal like Johnson's eventually, she would have needed to successfully negotiate it before we broke away from EU alignment. A rapid US trade deal would have been out of the question. As things stand now, danger is lurking around every corner.
I'm assuming Boris doesn't want to continue with his deal as he knows sensible amendments could succeed, but does that include a confirmatory referendum? Are the numbers there?
I still think May's deal was better than what we're facing now. Even if she had wanted a deal like Johnson's eventually, she would have needed to successfully negotiate it before we broke away from EU alignment. A rapid US trade deal would have been out of the question. As things stand now, danger is lurking around every corner.
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It is generally agreed there aren't the numbers there for a referendum in the present HoC, even if it might be closer than before.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ns-impasseNo 10 to explore other routes towards election after Lib Dem proposal
Downing Street hints at bill-based path if MPs do not back election motion on Monday
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Where would we be without the word "impasse"?
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The thing about a bill is that it can be amended, which takes time.
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I just had to do the "30 days hath September, April, June, and November" thing in my head because I couldn't remember how many days were in October. How on earth did that happen?
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Getting old?
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Mind numbing over-exposure is also a possible reason.
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Tell me about it........
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Spent a couple of days with Hindle/CJA and now I don't feel so good.
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What is cJA like in person?
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Ok so me, Hindle, CJA and her significant other met up this weekend and guess what?
We had hugs and talked about stuff and it was interesting.
And isn't that what makes life fascinating? We all need our preconceptions questioned and what better to meet one of you?
We all imagine what each other of us here is like. I can confirm that that picture you have of anyone is probably very wrong.
My imagined picture of CJA was wholly wrong.
I beleive Hindle had to describe me as 'weirdly normal'.
I can live with that.
We had hugs and talked about stuff and it was interesting.
And isn't that what makes life fascinating? We all need our preconceptions questioned and what better to meet one of you?
We all imagine what each other of us here is like. I can confirm that that picture you have of anyone is probably very wrong.
My imagined picture of CJA was wholly wrong.
I beleive Hindle had to describe me as 'weirdly normal'.
I can live with that.
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My offer of a big fucking cuddle is open to you all.
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What I love is....
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You should have banned me a long time ago.
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Not all of us are what we seem.
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And better late than never, we have a PTO.
(or perhaps not, thanks to Sky doing the AH trick)
(or perhaps not, thanks to Sky doing the AH trick)
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