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I would just like to bring this to everyone's attention:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-court/

It sounds hideous.


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Head of the NHS says they don't want it "politicised" during the election campaign :?

Good luck with that one.........


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Saying don't politicise is of course politicising


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Constance nodding in agreement.


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That or coughing up a fur ball,or perhaps both.


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I would just like to bring this to everyone's attention:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-court/

It sounds hideous.
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Saying don't politicise is of course politicising


Indeed, and fairly transparently so.


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I'm feeling overwhelmed by current events.


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Harman evidently didn't get many MPs other than Labour women to support her, then.


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I don't know much about Hoyle.
Anyone want to share anything about him?


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I don't know much about Hoyle.
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/go ... en-speaker


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I haven't really paid much attention to the GE today but like the slightly barbed comment at the end of this from AS...

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Former Labour MP John Woodcock to stand down from parliament
John Woodcock, who was elected as Labour MP for Barrow and Furness but who left the party last year, has announced that he won’t stand again for election because he and his partner, the Spectator journalist Isabel Hardman, are having a baby. He has children by his previous partner now living in Edinburgh and, as he explains in an open letter to his constituents, he thinks his new family circumstances would make continuing as an MP for a Cumbria seat impossible.

Woodcock strongly criticised Jeremy Corbyn’s handling of antisemitism allegations when he resigned from the Labour party, although at the time he was also facing a misconduct allegation himself.

In his letter Woodcock says he had been looking forward to defending his seat as an independent. But his chances of re-election would have been minimal. Independents very rarely win in UK parliamentary elections, and in 2017 Woodcock had a majority of just 209 over the Tories.

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citizenJA wrote:
I don't know much about Hoyle.
Anyone want to share anything about him?


I liked this bit from his speech.

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He says what matters is that MPs can use parliament to hold the government to account.


Yes, the very last thing that we need is someone like Eleanor Laing or Edward Leigh (thankfully gone in the 1st round) simply letting the government have its own way all the time.

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I don't know much about Hoyle.
Anyone want to share anything about him?

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/go ... en-speaker
an honourable, decent person

Thank you, Lost Soul!
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Harman's gone backwards, shame.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle: 244 (211)

Dame Eleanor Laing: 122 (113)

Chris Bryant: 120 (98)

Harriet Harman: 59 (72)

Dame Rosie Winterton: 30 (46)

Winterton has now been eliminated.

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Sir Lindsay Hoyle: 244 (211)

Dame Eleanor Laing: 122 (113)

Chris Bryant: 120 (98)

Harriet Harman: 59 (72)

Dame Rosie Winterton: 30 (46)

Given how many voted this time, Hoyle short by 44,

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Harman's gone backwards, shame


Its not really, quite apart from her age she is not really suited to the job IMO.


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Harman's gone backwards, shame.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle: 244 (211)

Dame Eleanor Laing: 122 (113)

Chris Bryant: 120 (98)

Harriet Harman: 59 (72)

Dame Rosie Winterton: 30 (46)

Winterton has now been eliminated.


And now gone.

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Tactical voting advice for December 2019
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Have we had this?


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BBC pushing the "wouldn't it be good for the speaker to be a woman this time" line. Nothing to do with second placed Eleanor Laing being a Tory (pushover) I'm sure.

Anyway, technically it should be a Labour MP this time and Hoyle seems a solid enough choice to me. He's had one of those quiet, serving his constituents kind of parliamentary careers, with experience from sitting on committees and his current deputy speaker role, rather than the high flying cabinet/shadow cabinet ambitious careerist type of background which would be less suited to the day to day drudgery of keeping order imo.

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Amazing how many forget that we have already had a woman Speaker (and a pretty good one)


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Tactical voting advice for December 2019
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2 November 2019
Have we had this?


I'm trying to avoid the brewing bunfight that is tactical voting "predictions". I think a certain amount of tactical voting is inevitable and necessary with our less than satisfactory FPTP system, but relying on anyone but your own opinion to inform your choice is a recipe for ending up feeling misled and diddled, unfortunately. Everyone thinks everyone else should vote for their own preferred party in these scenarios and it will inevitably end in tears because large swathes of these recommendations will always end up being wrong.

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Laing gone thankfully.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle (244) 267
Chris Bryant 120 (169)
Dame Eleanor Laing (122) 127

or rather

Sir Lindsay Hoyle (244) 267
Chris Bryant (120) 169
Dame Eleanor Laing (122) 127

Thought it looked odd when I posted it.

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Willow904 wrote:
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Tactical voting advice for December 2019
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Have we had this?


I'm trying to avoid the brewing bunfight that is tactical voting "predictions". I think a certain amount of tactical voting is inevitable and necessary with our less than satisfactory FPTP system, but relying on anyone but your own opinion to inform your choice is a recipe for ending up feeling misled and diddled, unfortunately. Everyone thinks everyone else should vote for their own preferred party in these scenarios and it will inevitably end in tears because large swathes of these recommendations will always end up being wrong.
I agree. Wren-Lewis thinks the same.


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I noticed in the DT that Michael Gove was getting behind Chris Bryant* - if all of Laing's votes went to Bryant then he could sneak it.

* which I find suspicious in itself.

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I think maybe the Commons printer has conked out printing the final ballot papers...

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Hoyle wins.

Sir Lindsay Hoyle: 325 (267, 244 and 211)
Chris Bryant 213 (169, 120 and 98)

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Ah, this is what I read...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... g-michael/

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Former Labour minister Chris Bryant has won the surprise backing of Michael Gove and other Government ministers in the race to succeed John Bercow as House of Commons Speaker.

The news came as Mr Bryant said he would encourage MPs to get off their mobile phones in the Chamber and ban MPs from calling each other "traitor" during debates.


Excellent - Hoyle winning would have pissed them right off then. Unless it's a double luff and that was the kiss of death to Bryant.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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Its not really, quite apart from her age she is not really suited to the job IMO.

More a shame from a feminist point of view, rather than personal to Harman.

You say she's not suited, but she would do the job in her own way.

Boothroyd was very good. I'll pick on (say) Michael Martin who's generally thought to have been pretty average, I believe.
We'll have achieved equality when we have a pretty average female Speaker.

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Someone needs to give the PM a lesson in English grammar,,,

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status ... 0523265030

On the second page of this piece of trolling it says "...we will start the process to Get Brexit Done -and we will leave with the New Deal..."

Just too weird.

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Just looked down the comments...

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Monsignor it's all Corbyn's fault, #Vote Labour


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Aren't you supposed to be in a ditch?


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Oops.

Michael Gove urged to apologise for sharing antisemitic tweet falsely attributed to Labour member

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-twitter-antisemitic-jewish-labour-member-corbyn-momentum-a9184601.html

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Michael Gove has been urged to apologise for sharing an antisemitic tweet from a Twitter account falsely claiming to be run by a Labour member.

The cabinet minister took to social media to urge Jeremy Corbyn and some of his high-profile supporters to condemn a tweet saying "we can't trust Jews", from a user claiming to be a member of Labour and Momentum, the Corbyn-backing grassroots network.

But Labour and Momentum both confirmed the account "Joe Woods #JC4PM" did not belong to any of their members, with Momentum accusing Mr Gove of attempting to "smear us through association".

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