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Which is appropriate,neither did they.

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Try this.


Thank you. What a grim story.



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The seemingly impossible to change "burdensome/othering "narrative has consequences both as to policy and attitude including among those charged with responsibility and whose employment)income relies on it.


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"othering"has always been endemic in general,the in specific/contextual rather than combats,amplifies.


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Million universal credit households ‘do not get full entitlement’

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Minutes of a meeting of welfare rights advisers in October 2018 show that Neil Couling, the head of the universal credit programme, “admitted that the government over the last 18 months has demanded a push to recover old debt and has provided UC with extra funds to do this”.

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In no particularly order or emphasis; the complicit


The enactors,those agreeing with the principles;those that ploughed and still plough not really sick/deserving line -regardless of stated or given political/party persuasion and what the period.All led to the ease of pernicious reform.Hopefully a lesson learnt in being careful what you wish for,throwing the evidentially introduced good into a vat of acid in the pursuit of diversionary "you lot"assured destruction based on the imaginary.

Flawed in concept,the principles already existed or shouldn't have be striven for.The harm was obvious beyond "tweaking the design"


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Eight local council byelections a week ago on Thursday:

Eden DC - LibDem gain from Tory in a ward which they won in the three elections from 2003 onwards (narrowly against an Independent then and Tory in 2007, before they beat a Tory comfortably in 2011) only for a Tory to be returned unopposed in 2015 and win with just over 50% this May. This time round, though, a direct swing of 17% took the LibDems to close to half the vote. The localist group Putting Cumbria first was little changed on their initial outing then, with 18%.

Torbay - Tory gain from LibDem in this one with nearly half the vote, an increase of over 20% since May when this ward elected two LibDems after boundary changes, though the top placed Tory - who won this time - was not that far behind and had been a councillor for the predecessor ward. A previously significant Independent vote seemed to go mostly their way, meaning that even though the LibDems modestly increased on their score earlier this year they were still comfortably beaten. In one of their forays into local byelections a Brexit Party candidate scored 9% (actually a bit less than UKIP managed here six months ago) followed by Labour who dipped slightly and the Greens who dropped from 10% last time to just 2% now.

Tunbridge Wells DC - LibDem gain from Tory with over 45% and an increase of around 15% since May, when they took this ward for the first time - it had previously been Tory in every election since the 2002 all-outs when it safely returned three members for them. Earlier this year the Womens Equality party weren't far off getting a councillor elected at senior level here and beat the Tories, but they dropped 15 points to 10% and the Tories regained second place at least. Fourth were the localist Tunbridge Wells Alliance, who surprisingly sat out this year after coming a good second in 2018, followed by Labour on 5% (halved since May) and finally the Greens who got 3% in their first showing since 2016.

Neath Port Talbot - Plaid Cymru gain from Labour with over half the vote and a swing of over 23% since 2017, the first time they have won this single member ward since 2008 though they remained fairly competitive in the Labour wins in 2004 and 2012 at least. Labour's slump - their vote more than halved - meant they finished just behind the Tories, who edged up to nearly a quarter of the vote.

Powys - Labour gain from Tory with 37% and a swing of around 15%, all the more creditable given that they finished third in 2017 behind the LibDems who won this ward in 2004 unopposed and then in 2008 and 2012 before the Tories took it two years ago. This time round the LibDems slipped to fourth as they were also overtaken by Plaid who polled 14% in their first showing here this millennium and an Independent on 11% almost caught the Libs as well, though it was some way short of the last Indy performance in 2008 when they came a decent second.

Fife - two vacancies here, both SNP holds in divisions that had boundary changes in 2017 - the first in a division that split 1Nat/1C/1Lab last time and saw the SNP increase their first preferences by about 6% to 42% whilst the Tories were up slightly and Labour modestly down. LibDems little changed on 8%, followed by an Independent who improved a bit on his showing two years ago and the Greens on 4% (up a point) followed by a Libertarian with their niche half per cent share. The other was in a seat that split 1Nat/2Lab/1C in 2017 (SNP actually got the most first preferences here but missed out on transfers) and they now increased modestly to almost exactly a third of the vote, giving them a comfortable win over the second placed Tories who were little changed. Prior to 2017 the predecessor division was an area of LibDem strength (they topped the poll and got 2 out of 4 seats in 2007) and a long period of decline was ended as they finished just behind the Tories and up 15 points, overtaking Labour who halved to 13%. Greens slightly up to 5%, Libertarians yet again with their niche 0.5%.

Highland - another SNP hold in a division that split 1Nat/1Ind/1Lab in 2017 (again after boundary changes) with a 12 point increase to 45%, one of their best showings in a Scottish byelection for a while. Tories missed out on a seat last time but managed a distant second now as they increased modestly to 15% followed by an Independent on 12% - well down on their showing two years ago. LibDems more than doubled to 10% closely followed by the Greens who also increased and both overtook Labour who dropped 10 points to 7% and from third to 6th and last place.

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If they do this for women who had 20 years notice of an equalisation of retirement age with men, Labour are going to have to address the unfairness of subsequent generations being robbed of retirement at 65.

Which is not to knock this as a strategic campaign move as waspi women aren't natural Labour voters and they are very angry. I just don't think they have more right to be angry than younger people who won't be able to retire until they're nearly 70.

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I think it's mad, and I'd be a beneficiary.
It's possible to justify compensation for the 2011 change, but not the 1995 one. I knew about it at the time and so did the majority, surely, why should we be compensated?

Labour have said they'll not raise retirement age beyond 66.

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I think it's mad, and I'd be a beneficiary.
It's possible to justify compensation for the 2011 change, but not the 1995 one. I knew about it at the time and so did the majority, surely, why should we be compensated?

Labour have said they'll not raise retirement age beyond 66.


I think they need to get that particular message out there, though back to 65 would be infinitely better.

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Sajid Javid tells @RidgeOnSunday that an EU-UK trade deal can be "done certainly by the end of next year, of that I have no doubt".

Senior EU diplomat this week: "Not in my wildest dreams would I imagine that a possibility."

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Tory manifesto out today - is everybody excited?
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Tories aren't acting like a winning party. Lies, confusion, manipulation, holding back pertinent information...


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Intergenerational Foundation report comes as 670,000 young people registered to vote in seven days

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Good. Get out and vote Labour or you ain't got a future.


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I expect that today's the day that we'll find out how concerned Jo Swinson is, and always has been, about potholes.

(Although I'm sure that the general public would, justifiably, welcome some much-needed road repairs. Although I'm not sure that they should warrant a major mention in a manifesto.)


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Labour has announced that it would spend £58bn on compensating women who have been financially hit by the decision to raise the pension age from 60 to 66 (see full story here). The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that the government has “failed the women who were born in the 1950s”. Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson criticised the announcement – which doesn’t appear in Labours manifesto – as being another item on a wish list. “Where’s the money coming from is the question that was not answered?” she asked.

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Overreach?

I fear Labour have opened a can of worms with this one.

Questions of affordability, fairness, uncompensated pension rise to 66 for everyone else, all the other things you could do with such a large sum of money etc etc.

If it's not in the manifesto, who okayed this?

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I would add that it seemed to me that Boris Johnson was already under pressure from waspi women over his backtrack on earlier rash promises without Labour doing or saying anything.

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Labour has announced that it would spend £58bn on compensating women who have been financially hit by the decision to raise the pension age from 60 to 66 (see full story here). The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that the government has “failed the women who were born in the 1950s”. Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson criticised the announcement – which doesn’t appear in Labours manifesto – as being another item on a wish list. “Where’s the money coming from is the question that was not answered?” she asked.

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Overreach?

I fear Labour have opened a can of worms with this one.

Questions of affordability, fairness, uncompensated pension rise to 66 for everyone else, all the other things you could do with such a large sum of money etc etc.

If it's not in the manifesto, who okayed this?


There *is* a mention of it in the manifesto, no? Albeit a somewhat non-specific one.


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I would add that it seemed to me that Boris Johnson was already under pressure from waspi women over his backtrack on earlier rash promises without Labour doing or saying anything.
It makes sense then that Labour specifically broadcast they'll satisfactorily settle this grievance.


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Labour has announced that it would spend £58bn on compensating women who have been financially hit by the decision to raise the pension age from 60 to 66 (see full story here). The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that the government has “failed the women who were born in the 1950s”. Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson criticised the announcement – which doesn’t appear in Labours manifesto – as being another item on a wish list. “Where’s the money coming from is the question that was not answered?” she asked.
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Overreach?

I fear Labour have opened a can of worms with this one.

Questions of affordability, fairness, uncompensated pension rise to 66 for everyone else, all the other things you could do with such a large sum of money etc etc.

If it's not in the manifesto, who okayed this?
There *is* a mention of it in the manifesto, no? Albeit a somewhat non-specific one.
Labour want their vote. They're a big section of the electorate they might not already have had.


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If there's money enough for Brexit, there's money enough for health and social care, housing, education, pensions, renewable energy, communications and public transportation infrastructure.


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We're back to "the coalition of chaos" (Labour\SNP) scare.


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Labour has announced that it would spend £58bn on compensating women who have been financially hit by the decision to raise the pension age from 60 to 66 (see full story here). The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that the government has “failed the women who were born in the 1950s”. Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson criticised the announcement – which doesn’t appear in Labours manifesto – as being another item on a wish list. “Where’s the money coming from is the question that was not answered?” she asked.

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Overreach?

I fear Labour have opened a can of worms with this one.

Questions of affordability, fairness, uncompensated pension rise to 66 for everyone else, all the other things you could do with such a large sum of money etc etc.

If it's not in the manifesto, who okayed this?


There *is* a mention of it in the manifesto, no? Albeit a somewhat non-specific one.


Compensation for the unfair short notice of changes some women had under the Coalition government is fair enough but reversing a decision taken 20 years ago at considerable cost is another level altogether and doesn't come under the phrase "compensation" as far as I'm concerned. None of the rest of us are being "compensated" for the many thousands of pounds we are worse off due to Tory policy decisions. And equalising men and women's pensions is a long way from being the unfairest of Tory policies ever taken.

I still feel, by being uncosted that this pledge could undermine Labour's economic credibility and could end up costing them more than they gain and it's not even a policy of genuine principle and fairness but feels like a clumsy bung to a small but vocal group.

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I only caught the tail end of that bit, but it was about Northern Irish people being able to be Irish or British (or English, as Boris Johnson put it).


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Boris Johnson to bring back student nurse bursaries in Tory manifesto U-turn


Should be the kiss of death, admitting your own party's incompetence, but I don't suppose it will be. Good news for anyone hoping to train as a nurse though.

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I only caught the tail end of that bit, but it was about Northern Irish people being able to be Irish or British (or English, as Boris Johnson put it).


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Pretty much business as usual, really. Which is exactly what we don't need.


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Conservative manifesto still not online, apparently.

A launch without a..um...launch.

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"For the last three and a half years, this country has felt trapped, like a lion in a cage. We have all shared the same frustration – like some super-green supercar blocked in the traffic. We can see the way ahead. We know where we want to go – and we know why we are stuck.

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Sorry - an explanation for my previous post:

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Not much on media in the Conservative manifesto:
*Says BBC is to blame for over-75s licence fee mess
*Confirms no Leveson 2
*New gambling act to address issues around loot boxes in games
*Pledge to regulate web but protect free speech
*This weird bit on BBC as a tool of the state (Politics Live, Guardian - my bold)


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I'm afraid that, in order to read the "weird bit", a trip over to the Politics Live site (16.31) is necessary as it won't copy across ( not for me, at any rate).


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It is very much a "safety first" document, nothing to frighten the "horses" (ie poll lead) But leaves the Tories vulnerable to the charge they are out of ideas.


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Labour has announced that it would spend £58bn on compensating women who have been financially hit by the decision to raise the pension age from 60 to 66 (see full story here). The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that the government has “failed the women who were born in the 1950s”. Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson criticised the announcement – which doesn’t appear in Labours manifesto – as being another item on a wish list. “Where’s the money coming from is the question that was not answered?” she asked.

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Overreach?

I fear Labour have opened a can of worms with this one.

Questions of affordability, fairness, uncompensated pension rise to 66 for everyone else, all the other things you could do with such a large sum of money etc etc.

If it's not in the manifesto, who okayed this?

It is in the manifesto, without numbers attached, and it hasn't come out of the blue. McDonnell and some of the women MPs have mentioned it from time to time, I never thought they'd be daft enough to actually do it.
There's an online calculator to tell us how much we'll get, they didn't set that up overnight.

Do you follow @Frances_Coppola? I used to but gave up because she seemed to have made it part of her life's work to argue with WASPI types on twitter. This is her take.
https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/sta ... 8761032707

I think less of Labour for this, but on reflection, all's fair in love and war and if it helps defeat the tories I'll get over my reservations.

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Commenting on the Conservative Party manifesto, Paul Johnson, IFS Director, said:

Perhaps the biggest, and least welcome, announcement is the “triple tax lock”: no increases in rates of income tax, NICs or VAT. That’s a constraint the chancellor may come to regret. It is also part of a fundamentally damaging narrative – that we can have the public services we want, with more money for health and pensions and schools – without paying for them. We can’t. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)


I think that's Labour's point. Still, doesn't hurt for the IFS to say it, I suppose.


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Labour has announced that it would spend £58bn on compensating women who have been financially hit by the decision to raise the pension age from 60 to 66 (see full story here). The shadow education secretary, Angela Rayner, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that the government has “failed the women who were born in the 1950s”. Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson criticised the announcement – which doesn’t appear in Labours manifesto – as being another item on a wish list. “Where’s the money coming from is the question that was not answered?” she asked.

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Overreach?

I fear Labour have opened a can of worms with this one.

Questions of affordability, fairness, uncompensated pension rise to 66 for everyone else, all the other things you could do with such a large sum of money etc etc.

If it's not in the manifesto, who okayed this?

It is in the manifesto, without numbers attached, and it hasn't come out of the blue. McDonnell and some of the women MPs have mentioned it from time to time, I never thought they'd be daft enough to actually do it.
There's an online calculator to tell us how much we'll get, they didn't set that up overnight.

Do you follow @Frances_Coppola? I used to but gave up because she seemed to have made it part of her life's work to argue with WASPI types on twitter. This is her take.
https://twitter.com/Frances_Coppola/sta ... 8761032707

I think less of Labour for this, but on reflection, all's fair in love and war and if it helps defeat the tories I'll get over my reservations.


Having read the thread by Frances Coppola, I'm finding the assertion Labour planned this rather than being a kneejerk reaction very unencouraging, tbh. If this is the state of policies they've thought through....
Just as well recent Tory government's have set the bar so incredibly low.

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Commenting on the Conservative Party manifesto, Paul Johnson, IFS Director, said:

Perhaps the biggest, and least welcome, announcement is the “triple tax lock”: no increases in rates of income tax, NICs or VAT. That’s a constraint the chancellor may come to regret. It is also part of a fundamentally damaging narrative – that we can have the public services we want, with more money for health and pensions and schools – without paying for them. We can’t. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)

I think that's Labour's point. Still, doesn't hurt for the IFS to say it, I suppose.
Tories have no intention funding public services. They've starved them for almost ten years. They'll do nothing but decimate them further if they're returned.


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