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How on earth has Corbyn managed to mess up a question on the Queen's speech?

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I'd guess because he had no idea they'd make such a big deal of it. Who cares?
You could say he should know better by now.

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I hope sky's going to boycott QT's all male panel tonight.

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I'd guess because he had no idea they'd make such a big deal of it. Who cares?
You could say he should know better by now.


I don't care whether he watches it or not but if he does something else on a Christmas afternoon why not just say so, that's my point. As you say, it's not a big deal, whatever the tabloids try to make of it. But this, this is just baffling:

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Corbyn appeared to be caught out by ITV’s Julie Ethchingham when asked if he watched the Queen’s Christmas broadcast. He said “It’s on in the morning, usually we have it on some of the time.” The speech is broadcast at 3pm.

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Corbyn came across better in the video clips shown on the news this morning, talking about Labour policies while on a train. The Boris Johnson clip that followed was really awkward and kind of funny in comparison. It reminded me of the Windy Miller bit in Camberwick Green - "Hello Mr Johnson, what are you doing today?". I wish I could find the clip to share, it was really quite odd.

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You could easily argue that 'it's on in the morning, usually we have it on some of the time' means 'the tv is on in the morning but not necessarily later on'.

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Not just that, but when Jez was a young un it *was* in the morning - firstly on the wireless (as we still called it then) and later for a while on TV.

Even by the usual standards of manufactured "controversies", this one is embarrassing to all concerned.


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I only ever watched it when Stanley Baxter stood in


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Confused now did he say he would only see her if she moved to a homeless shelter,or something.


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BoJo got a tough grilling from Phil and Holly, then......


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Tory election leaflet popped through the door.

"40 new hospitals across the country"

A proven lie.

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To remove any doubt from my above post - not that you likely need it - they didn't.


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The Lib Dems have sent out a big mailshot to "Squeeze" voters in marginals advising them on tactical voting and signed by Mike Smithson.

Except Mike Smithson says he didn't authorise it! :oops:


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To be clear, Smithson agreed the text, but had not been consulted on who it would be sent to.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
BoJo got a tough grilling from Phil and Holly, then......

I saw a few minutes of Peston’s interview, he asked some good questions but didn’t bother about whether Johnson answered them or not.

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I hope sky's going to boycott QT's all male panel tonight.

Ashworth has stood down for Anneliese Dodds.

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If it ends up the case that Johnson isn't interviewed by Neil before polling day, there have to be consequences for certain people at the BBC.


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Boris Johnson won't do ITV interview with Julie Etchingham

ITV said: “Every other leader of Great Britain’s main political parties that has been approached has done an interview for Tonight.”

The prime minister has faced mounting criticism of his refusal to be interviewed by Andrew Neil on the BBC. (Politics Live, Guardian)



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Despotic leadership is bad enough but it's made worse by publicity agents and the media telling everyone despotic leadership is what everyone wants. I'm angry. Johnson isn't fit for public office. His actions and words make him unfit for public office.


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Hello again.

In case people have not seen this:

https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/ ... 8300934145

She has a clip of John McDonnel speaking about the Dispatches documentary.


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Hello again.

In case people have not seen this:

https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/ ... 8300934145

She has a clip of John McDonnel speaking about the Dispatches documentary.



Hello.

I hadn't seen that. Thanks for the link.


Edited to add greeting. Manners . . .


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I'm sitting next to delicious chocolate and I don't want it. I've no appetite for it. Please have some. Tories ought to be ashamed putting me off my chocolate.


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https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/12/some-thoughts-on-labours-campaign.html?m=1
I hope Simon Wren-Lewis and everyone here will forgive my quoting such a large part of his blog post linked above. I think it very important and I didn't want anyone to miss it.
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"One of the dangers Labour faces is that they appear to be promising too much. Voters are skeptical of manifesto promises at the best of times, even though evidence suggests that in the past most manifesto pledges are fulfilled. If you promise so much it is possible voters will just not believe you can do all this.

In contrast the Tory manifesto is positively frugal. But there is a reason for this, and neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats have emphasized enough why that is. Labour are not used to trumpeting the results of IFS election analysis, but on this occasion they really should. That analysis shows that one economic issue alone dominates the future of the public finances: Brexit. Here is the key chart
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What this chart shows is that all these give-aways do not come close to matching the amount of tax we will lose if Johnson keeps his pledge not to extend the transition period. The reason the Tory manifesto is frugal is they cannot afford to do anything with any fiscal cost and implement a hard or no deal Brexit. Both Labour and the Liberal Democrats can afford much more, because they are not planning a hard Brexit."
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Oh right, "misremembered" eh?

Sajid Javid 'misremembered' statistics when he blamed Labour for rise in homelessness, Tories admit

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sajid-javid-homelessness-labour-misremembered-a4306056.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1575572241

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The fact-checking group added on its website that it is "not aware of any data" which supports Mr Javid's claim, adding: "Statuatory homelessness in England fell between 2003 and 2009. It has risen around 39 per cent since then."


You might think "blatant lie" - I couldn't possibly comment...

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Exclusive: Donald Tusk says it would still be better for both sides if UK stayed in EU
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... onald-tusk
It's worth reading the entire article. I don't think I know the sound of Tusk's voice. I don't think I've seen him; I've only read his work. I admire him.


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I think I caught a glimpse of you as I was making my way to the billiard room.


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Gap between rich and poor grows alongside rise in UK's total wealth

Top 10% of households had 45% of national wealth in 2018, while the poorest 10th had just 2%

Britain’s total wealth grew by 13% in the two years to 2018 to reach a record £14.6tn, with wealth among the richest 10% of households increasing almost four times faster than those of the poorest 10%.

A study by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) also found that the poorest 10% of households had debts three times greater than their assets compared with the richest 10% who amassed a wealth pile 35 times larger than their total debts.

The figures highlight the growing divide between those at the top of the wealth ladder, many of whom have retained their pension rights, property values and invested their savings since the 2008 financial crash, while those on low incomes live in rented accommodation with meagre pension entitlements and rising debts (Guardian)


https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/dec/05/gap-between-rich-and-poor-grows-alongside-rise-in-uks-total-wealth


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Yeah a blatant lie,knowingly repeated with aforethought.They don't care of course,at worse even if pointed out at the time,they deploy different measurements etc,as if the obvious truth is contested.


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A selfie with Phil and Holly trumps all such unnecessary scrutiny.


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PF-I know you have both a Snooker and a Billiard room bit you do know you can use the same table for both?Maybe convert one into accommodation for the growing numbers of postal workers/deliverypeople you seem to amass,just a suggestion.


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A chancellor so expert in the misremembering stakes is of no import compared to knowing what time the Queen doesn't make her xmas message or not;let's get some perspective.


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PF-I know you have both a Snooker and a Billiard room bit you do know you can use the same table for both?Maybe convert one into accommodation for the growing numbers of postal workers/deliverypeople you seem to amass,just a suggestion.


Constance is using the snooker table, so that's not a go-er, I'm afraid. But I'll bear it in mind if she loses interest.


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A chancellor so expert in the misremembering stakes is of no import compared to knowing what time the Queen doesn't make her xmas message or not;let's get some perspective.


I always leave out a glass of sherry and a mince pie for the Quing - just in case she decides to deliver her message during the early hours - and a bunch of carrots for the corgis. I expect no less from Jeremy Corbyn.


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Where did that go?


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Bermuda Triangled-along with Cja's removals,they will form a further ramblings tome to be later published


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I've never seen a corgi wearing spectacles,though both the Queen and Santa (given they are both the same person)do,maybe try the other away around


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The one certainty is that the Queen specifically doesn't deliver her xmas message at 3pm on Xmas day.


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Shocking news for many on a par with the Santa Claus revelations


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Maybe,imagine eating each chocolate is removing a Tory voter,your Party needs you.


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Bermuda Triangled-along with Cja's removals,they will form a further ramblings tome to be later published

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In all seriousness, please let me out, PorFavor. You've locked the loo door from the outside. I'm beginning to think it was intentional.


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The one certainty is that the Queen specifically doesn't deliver her xmas message at 3pm on Xmas day.

Christmas Day is morning all day long; I thought everyone knew this. This brouhaha is doing my head in.


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Maybe,imagine eating each chocolate is removing a Tory voter,your Party needs you.

Brilliant
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