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"Do to as they would do others"

Stick in a work camp and if employed pay less ,it makes them happy"

The Tory Party is totally against discriminstion,it discriminates equally"


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It was twenty years ago that we took a helicopter over Victoria Falls,thankfully I wasn't the pilot.How time flies.


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I'm terrified of heights ,I admire my martyrdom -although interesting that concentrating on for the purpose of accompaniment/others,similar with scaling Ayres Rock with a partially-sighted guy to realise his ambition (no longer possible) somehow enables what you wouldn't do yourself.


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Though masochistic tendency cannot totally be ruled out.The partially-sighted guy survived,by the way


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Tories don't know the concept of discrimination ..


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If a Tory cannot fully grasp the concept of parliamentary democracy..


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We didn't steal the helicopter.


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-election
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Tory vote share stays at peak of 42% a week to go before election day


No big moments like the "dementia tax" this time around. Could come down to turnout and who cares more about keeping the party they don't like out.

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A reasonable/moderate Tory is one that no longer advocates elimination but targeted discrimination on the basis of "it's a kindness,really",some would say,not me obviously


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Q.Beyond the electoral roll do parties have access to whether a postal vote or not?
Only this time,so far,I haven't had the delight of the too late it wouldn't have been your lot-I would rather shred my testicles with a cheese grater * thing,yet.

*or other suitable phrases.


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I like to preserve tradition.


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Maybe Tarquin has headed them off.


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Willow904 wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/tory-vote-share-at-peak-week-to-go-before-election
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Tory vote share stays at peak of 42% a week to go before election day


No big moments like the "dementia tax" this time around. Could come down to turnout and who cares more about keeping the party they don't like out.


Present polling relies on a few assumptions that may or may not be correct - eg differential turnouts by age and weighting to a referendum that was now over 3 years ago.

(the latter is something that wasn't as much of a problem in 2017, when it was less than a year away)


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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ff-society


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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... er-lagrave

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Boris Johnson was due to cone to Westhoughton but the visit has been cancelled - a group of protestors had gathered ahead of his arrival @GranadaReports (Politics Live, Guardian)


Terrifying (to Boris Johnson, it seems) scenes in the accompanying photo'.


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He really doesn't deserve to get away with this attitude.


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The Sun in bullshit shocker.

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Football is damn weird alright (unless you support *them*, when you just know you will win every league game it appears)


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So the Christmas tree is up. Cat no. 1 has already tried to eat it. Can't remember what it tastes like from last year, I guess. First Christmas for cat no. 2 who has finally gone flop after all the excitement.

Only thing left is to see what kind of Christmas we'll be waking up to on the 13th - It's a Wonderful Life or the Poseidon Adventure.

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The gloves are off in Uxbridge, but Johnson is nowhere to be found (Observer)


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As suggested by some on Twitter, tonight's lead on the BBC News online page screams "State Broadcaster".


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Good on you Garry.

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He added: “[This fan] thinks he can come to a game and racially abuse someone playing football. It is disgusting. It is terrible and something has to be done. It is not just about banning him from football. Everyone has a responsibility.”

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Ignore the cynics. Labour’s pledges on basic public services show the way towards a fairer, more efficient society (Guardian)


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Story appearing in the Times also.

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B-but.......THE RUSSIANS!!!!


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John McDonnell explaining how stay at home parents who will lose the benefit of passing on their unused tax threshold to their partners (married tax allowance) will be compensated by higher minimum wage, free childcare and better wages in the public sector. Except our household won't benefit from any of those things.

He also said the pensions the Waspi women lost that they're borrowing a huge amount to repay were "a right, not a benefit".

So the Waspi women got to collect their family allowance when raising their own families without judgement, while todays families have faced enormous cuts to benefits to families that are not to be reversed or "compensated" because they're a "benefit not a right". They also got to benefit from MIRAS by being married, but current couples won't get similar. And they're being compensated for a change in their retirement age but not other women whose retirement age has risen since they began work and not everyone who has seen a rise from 65 to 66.

Child poverty has risen substantially since 2010 but I've not heard anything about how Labour would reverse this. Nothing about the collapse in SEN spending in schools. The cuts to Sure Start centres. Just "free childcare" and "minimum wage", get parents back into work stuff, we've had for the last nine years.

Surely to achieve real change, we have to change the narrative, we have to get away from the idea that older people have "rights" while younger people only have conditional and changeable "benefits".

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The noble tradition upheld,albeit I had to wait until the Tory too late leafletters returned(the benefit on a dead end street)eschewed the" rather shred my bits with a cheese grater "We shall overcome"may have been part of the reportoire.


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B-but.......THE RUSSIANS!!!!


I don't understand why Labour is considered to be somehow in league with Russia. After all, Russia ain't what it used to be. It's not the USSR anymore, for starters - and it's hardly Socialist, let alone Communist. It's more Capitalist\Mafia. Not really Jeremy Corbyn's thing at all, I should have thought.


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The State Pension is unquestioningly a benefit,this undeserving/deserving untruth is pernicious.


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B-but.......THE RUSSIANS!!!!


I don't understand why Labour is considered to be somehow in league with Russia. After all, Russia ain't what it used to be. It's not the USSR anymore, for starters - and it's hardly Socialist, let alone Communist. It's more Capitalist\Mafia. Not really Jeremy Corbyn's thing at all, I should have thought.


Not to mention that our PM has past articles and utterances lauding Putin and Russia, hiding in plain sight as it were.


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I would say the false distinction is harmful to all,it isn't a pop at pensioners,but a statement of fact.People hardly need encouragement in the judgemental deserving or not department without politicos indulgement.


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Child poverty has risen substantially since 2010 but I've not heard anything about how Labour would reverse this.

Scrapping the benefits cap, the two-child limit and the 5 week wait don't count?

I accept that's the very least we should expect from a labour govt.

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An appalling fact I learnt just now: At least 135,000 children will be in temporary accommodation this Christmas, the highest level for 12 years. 183 children become homeless every day. That’s 915 between now and the general election and 3,294 between now and Christmas Day.
2:02 PM · Dec 7, 2019

I saw this yesterday and wondered where this 'journalist' has been, that figure's been around for weeks.

Sometimes he's quite good, as MSM journalists go.

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A good thing about the Labour manifesto is that the benefits/pensions bit is headed Social Security.

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I took Willow's point to mean the non attendance to the resultant loss of income)/in built lagging behind inflation.Indeed language is important ,which makes the benefit/not a benefit false distinction ,disappointing.


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Child poverty has risen substantially since 2010 but I've not heard anything about how Labour would reverse this.

Scrapping the benefits cap, the two-child limit and the 5 week wait don't count?

I accept that's the very least we should expect from a labour govt.


As you say, it's the bare minimum. Even with the end of the two-child limit, a family with 3 children will still be worse off in real terms than in 2010 because of the austerity hit to living standards and working age benefits which were detached from the cost of living, unlike pensions. Our expectations of how much we should look after families and people of working age has changed radically over the last 9 years and we haven't even started to reverse that trend judging by the priorities Labour are now concentrating on. Funding for schools was a big issue among families at the last election, as was tuition fees. I know those things are still in the manifesto but they aren't being talked about much. I understand Labour need older voters but courting them involves offering more of the same because that's what they want which, for me, is making for a less inspiring campaign than last time. Especially as the constrained nature of the manifesto last time at least offered an explanation for not reversing the austerity cuts to benefits to families, the disabled and working age people. Whereas this time....

Labour commitments on tackling climate change do compensate somewhat, they have been much more inspiring on green issues this time around. I just get a sense of a lack of understanding of just how deep the austerity cuts went and how they affected the political and economic balance between those who mostly derive income from work and those who mostly derive income from assets. The minimum wage rise is offset by withdrawal of tax credits. The Waspi compensation will be offset by withdrawal of benefits for the poorest. There are significant consequences to tackling injustices or policy issues in the wrong order

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Angela Smith might have produced the worst (and funniest) campaign video ever:

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Surprise surprise, our working time policies are being misrepresented. Obviously, sometimes people use shorthand, but no, @UKLabour is not pledging a four day week, and at no point in our manifesto do we advocate for one. Here’s what we do say: (1/9)


Why do I get the feeling the people opposing working less for the same/more money aren't the ones currently being expected to work more for less.

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So were the Tories and Brexit Party having their own debate tonight on "nothing but Brexit" or do they not even have policies on that which they're willing to subject to public scrutiny?

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A football club with principles?

Liverpool refuse to reconsider Sun ban to host England game

https://www.football365.com/news/liverpool-refuse-to-reconsider-sun-ban-to-host-england-game?fbclid=IwAR2BxI2geivmdePPFdaV4Fs2qjzHNpunYcRjcIn4yqv3MiYnCI4ln9_DSRQ

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England’s 13-year wait to play at Anfield will continue due to Liverpool’s ban on Sun journalists.

Liverpool’s stadium has not hosted the Three Lions since a friendly against Uruguay in March 2006, and Anfield has been ‘deemed off limits’ despite the FA’s struggle in finding a suitable venue for a Euro 2020 warm-up game against Romania next year.


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I watched the City v United game yesterday and saw in real time the guy they are claiming was making monkey gestures. And he wasn't. He was being a dick, waving his arms about in exaggerated fury, but he was not making monkey gestures. The man is simply an imbecile.

And I say this as a Manchester United supporter.


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