Wednesday 11th December 2019

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:18 am

https://www.theguardian.com/football/wh ... art-street" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MOT

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 6:37 am

I noticed the atrocious slur against my bad character and "habits".Suffice to say ,if you think the one's you know about are bad ,the others are far worse.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 6:42 am

Happiness is a 1300g box of broken biscuits and a gallon of tea.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 7:38 am

https://socialcarefuture.blog/2019/12/1 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has”

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 7:49 am

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/ ... sion=trueL" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:02 am

I confess to having to google MOT.
Also, what is the Leeds salute? Hardly dare ask.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:27 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ld-poverty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:31 am

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sion=trueL" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:31 am

Adam Boulton was talking about the YouGov MRP poll to someone who said that if it had been completed on Monday am instead of Tuesday, it would have shown a 50 seat tory lead instead of 28, such was the narrowing of the polls.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:33 am

Good morfternoon.

Andy Stewart, the Brexit party candidate in Doncaster, is speaking at the moment, claiming that leave supports are the victims of a form of “racism of opinion”, because people are discriminating against them for what they think. (Politics Live, Guardian - my bold)

[youtube]4yw0bLHTOb0[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:34 am

It's absolutely hacking it down here.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:53 am

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/comm ... tain-death" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:57 am

White Heather Club

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:04 am

Clenched fist to chest three times with left hand accompanied with Fuck The Tories.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:07 am

That's my,no doubt,"bad" habit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:10 am

One of too many to mention.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:15 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ld-poverty

Unfortunately confirms what I raised the other day:

Both Labour and the Lib Dems’ policies will leave poorest people 10% better off, and reverse post-2015 welfare spending cuts, says the Resolution Foundation. It adds that while both will halt upward trends on child poverty, there will be no “substantial reduction” in overall levels.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:17 am

HindleA wrote:Clenched fist to chest three times with left hand accompanied with Fuck The Tories.

That's not my memory of Moira Anderson. But maybe your memory's better than mine.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:30 am

Alternative lyrics to We'll Gather Lilacs.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 12:24 pm

#Fridgegate

The Brexit election appears to in the end be the trustworthiness election.

I hope enough folk care.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 12:48 pm

I'm sure that when he called this election Johnson didn't expect to start the final day of the campaign hiding in a fridge, that's for sure.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 12:49 pm

Theresa May seems competent, dignified and almost compassionate in comparison to our current PM.

And people are saying they are going to vote for him because they like him. Regardless of the outcome, the fact that 40% of the voting population think Boris Johnson is fit for public office is a national embarrassment that England is going to take a long time to recover from.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 12:54 pm

Have I Got News For You has a fair amount to answer for.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 1:16 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Have I Got News For You has a fair amount to answer for.

Ian Hislop certainly has.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 1:28 pm

Torrential hail-storm now.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 1:57 pm

Better today than tomorrow I suppose.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 2:16 pm

Has anyone else seen the clip of Laura Kuennsberg on Politics Live saying the postal votes look dire for Labour? She makes it sound like she actually knows how people have voted, even though they won't be counted until tomorrow. If she has some insights on turnout - high turnout = good for the Tories, or whatever - she should just say that, not assert Labour are doing badly before a single vote has been counted. Unbelievably unprofessional.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:22 pm

There are always postal vote rumours - even though strictly speaking speculating on them is illegal.

But they are concentrated among older voters - who as we all know are more likely than not to vote Tory these days. One possible counter rumour I haven't seen given much coverage is that postal vote "turnouts" are clearly down on 2017 - if true, then given the above it might not be all good news for the blue team.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:24 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:There are always postal vote rumours - even though strictly speaking speculating on them is illegal.

But they are concentrated among older voters - who as we all know are more likely than not to vote Tory these days. One possible counter rumour I haven't seen given much coverage is that postal vote "turnouts" are clearly down on 2017 - if true, then given the above it might not be all good news for the blue team.

Who are you calling "older"? Bloody cheek!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:28 pm

I'm hoping for a last minute Dominic Grieve revelation. But I'm not holding my breath.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:33 pm

Raab was blurting stuff about postal votes last week, Laura K's probably got no more than that.
Any hope she might finally get herself fired, or at least suspended?

They can be opened before polling day but are supposed to be kept face down and counted with the rest after closing.

Of course parties can contact people known to have a postal vote and ask them how they voted, but that would seem a bit pointless.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:35 pm

My thoughts on the result are unchanged since the campaign started, a good outcome is in the hands of young people.
If they turn out to vote BJ is history.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:50 pm

HindleA wrote:I noticed the atrocious slur against my bad character and "habits".Suffice to say ,if you think the one's you know about are bad ,the others are far worse.

you're a sweetie

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:52 pm

HindleA wrote:https://socialcarefuture.blog/2019/12/1 ... ssion=true

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has”

(cJA bold)

flythenest motto

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:54 pm

PorFavor wrote:Torrential hail-storm now.

I'll batten down the hatches and make us all sustaining cordials

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:54 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 3:55 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019 ... led-people" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 4:32 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:There are always postal vote rumours - even though strictly speaking speculating on them is illegal.

But they are concentrated among older voters - who as we all know are more likely than not to vote Tory these days. One possible counter rumour I haven't seen given much coverage is that postal vote "turnouts" are clearly down on 2017 - if true, then given the above it might not be all good news for the blue team.

There's a difference between reporting something vague like the Tories are feeling confident as the postal votes start coming in and implying everyone and his cat have seen the postal votes and it's a fact Labour are toast. She's either shit at being an impartial political correspondent or very good at being a Tory propagandist as the subsequent furore over her poor choice of words has knocked "fridge gate" down the twitter charts and skewered Labour’s wave of positive momentum.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 4:39 pm

HindleA wrote:That's my,no doubt,"bad" habit.

not a bit of it

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 4:56 pm

The youth vote may yet turn out to be significant in tomorrow’s general election, but in Cardiff as many as 200 students may not be able to vote because of registration error. (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 5:15 pm

Even in an interview with Pink News, Boris Johnson has still refused to apologise for referring to gay men as “tank-topped bum boys” in a column in the 1990s. (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 5:36 pm

I've just picked this up from a poster over at Politics Live (Guardian) -

MissPennyfeather
13m ago
0 1

Good grief what’s wrong with our BBC reporters? BBC reporter says “If Boris Johnson gets the victory he SO DESERVES” BBC bias off the roof!

This is is North Korean levels of propaganda.

https://mobile.twitter.com/johnjh67/sta ... 2014370818

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 5:51 pm

That is an.......unfortunate thing to say. Even if it was a slip, its the sort that the term "Freudian" was invented for.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 6:14 pm

A repeat for those who couldn't believe it the first time -
https://mobile.twitter.com/johnjh67/st ... urn false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 6:31 pm

So, not wanting to take twitter at face value, I took the trouble of going on the BBC iPlayer earlier to watch Laura Keunnsberg on Politics Live to see what she actually said for myself. Something others will now not be able to do because today's Politics Live is no longer available on the iPlayer.

I know postal vote rumours are often reported in a roundabout way but it does seem Keunnsberg may have crossed a line. In particular I do wonder if her assertions can be stood up. As AK says, if turnout was relatively low, surely Labour people would still be hanging on to some hope, not telling journalists it's all over, however happy the Tories may be with their own progress.

Edited to remove my (probably inaccurate) quote in case Kuennsberg did actually break electoral laws and repeating her words in print could also therefore be an offence.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 6:54 pm

Boris Johnson 'hides in a fridge' to avoid interview
Is he trying to be cute? His bizarre, disturbing behaviour won't work 'getting Brexit done', people. Those counting on him need to know he's not capable of following through.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 7:24 pm

Constant demoralisation messaging is a tactic Tories and their supporters have used throughout this election. Tory leadership have produced austerity, bad legislation, expensive disasters the public will pay for. They've achieved nothing they've pledged to do for regular people.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 7:31 pm

PorFavor wrote:I'm hoping for a last minute Dominic Grieve revelation. But I'm not holding my breath.

BBC probably lost the footage.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 7:33 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/cities/comm ... tain-death

Good article from Philip Pullman

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 11 Dec, 2019 7:37 pm