Thursday 12th December 2019

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:32 pm

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Tory insiders are telling me Boris Johnson could “genuinely be in trouble in #UxbridgeAndSouthRuislip”.

Exit pollsters think the Lib Dem vote has collapsed there probably due to tactical voting for Labour.

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Make.It.Happen.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:45 pm

Talking of Southampton Itchen, and its majority of just 31, here is a picture of a queue from a polling station there: (Politics Live, Guardian)

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:48 pm

Is it election time yet? Anything to save me from this godawful Man Utd match.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:56 pm

The Tories are so excited about the possibility of getting their hands on Bolsover, is it possible they've forgotten to cover their southern rear?

A bit of last minute campaigning for Boris with Uxbridge and Ruislip looking tight. No traditional polite nod through for this sitting PM, and it's no more than he deserves.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:05 pm

@citizenJA

Thanks!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:08 pm

The timing, conduct and administration of this Tory-initiated GE is wrong.
A cynical, nasty, dishonourable electoral exercise

Post by **refitman** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:08 pm

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AFinch · Post by **AFinch** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:19 pm

Got back half an or so ago from doing what I could - nearly all day - to "get the vote out". Pretty exhausted. We're going to be OK in Stoke Central, I'm pretty sure.

Bless the people who brought all that food for us.

And believe me there many, many Labour members who do this out of an utterly sincere concern for this country and the people in it. Bless them too.

Too tired to engage with it all properly for the moment.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:22 pm

AFinch wrote:Got back half an or so ago from doing what I could - nearly all day - to "get the vote out". Pretty exhausted. We're going to be OK in Stoke Central, I'm pretty sure.

Respect mate, I've posted leaflets in December and that was bad enough.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:23 pm

AFinch wrote:Got back half an or so ago from doing what I could - nearly all day - to "get the vote out". Pretty exhausted. We're going to be OK in Stoke Central, I'm pretty sure.

Bless the people who brought all that food for us.

And believe me there many, many Labour members who do this out of an utterly sincere concern for this country and the people in it. Bless them too.

Too tired to engage with it all properly for the moment.

Hello. Take a well-deserved rest (although it's not a very relaxing situation, I grant you).

Thanks for all the effort you've put in.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:26 pm

Oh - it's pissing down. Again.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:39 pm

The football seems to have kicked into gear.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:43 pm

Happy at least to know that there is such a thing in existence as a christmas sloth sock.

And a Lego Saturn V.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:45 pm

I'm now feeling officially nervous.

Christmas sloths, bring me wine!

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:02 pm

Fuck.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:02 pm

86 Tory majority.

Bollocks.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:04 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:05 pm

end of uk

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:07 pm

End of nhs

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:10 pm

Ok so now I really want to know - why did the other parties vote for a GE?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:10 pm

BBC has just been switched off...going back to listening to music and will resurface tomorrow.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:12 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:End of nhs

End of Corbyn and McDonnell and the team around them.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:12 pm

Keep on doffing

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:14 pm

V true

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:17 pm

What is it with Brits and Tories? Cognitive dissonance gone mad.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:25 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:86 Tory majority.

Bollocks.

Confirmed?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:26 pm

citizenJA wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:86 Tory majority.

Bollocks.
Confirmed?

Ah. I'm looking at the latest news now.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:28 pm

Usually I'd try to say something funny but there's just nothing there besides bleak depression and anger.

My brother just texted me to say 'I now feel like I live in a country full of hostile strangers more than ever' and I can't disagree with him.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:30 pm

Quite

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:31 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Usually I'd try to say something funny but there's just nothing there besides bleak depression and anger.

My brother just texted me to say 'I now feel like I live in a country full of hostile strangers more than ever' and I can't disagree with him.

I'm glad you're here. I'm reminding myself to breathe and remain calm.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:31 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:What is it with Brits and Tories? Cognitive dissonance gone mad.

English and Welsh with Tories.

The SNP are forecast to get 55 seats.

Which means Ruth Davidson would have to swim naked in Loch Ness.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:33 pm

Where'd Tories find those seats?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:34 pm

Have we any word back from the Continent on lair locations?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:38 pm

Born in England but only ever felt British. That now likely not an option. Who would actually want an “English” passport?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:38 pm

citizenJA wrote:I'm glad you're here. I'm reminding myself to breathe and remain calm.

I'm reminding myself to get off my head then lie in bed all day tomorrow avoiding the world.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:39 pm

1992?

That's how far out they're going to need to be. Is it even slightly possible?

In a very volatile, unpredictable election, with the possibility of unusual levels of tactical voting, how good a job have the pollsters done in picking their 114 representative constituencies?

Even so, we're looking at a conservative majority of some size of another. And, tbf, I'm baffled that the same public who refused to give Theresa May a big majority to deliver Brexit have now rewarded Boris with one.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:41 pm

Am toying with the idea of vermouth

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:42 pm

Willow904 wrote:1992?

That's how far out they're going to need to be. Is it even slightly possible?

In a very volatile, unpredictable election, with the possibility of unusual levels of tactical voting, how good a job have the pollsters done in picking their 114 representative constituencies?

Even so, we're looking at a conservative majority of some size of another. And, tbf, I'm baffled that the same public who refused to give Theresa May a big majority to deliver Brexit have now rewarded Boris with one.

yeah, I'm puzzled too.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:50 pm

I really want to turn all this off and go and listen to some music to flush my brain but I don't want to sully any tunes with this memory so I'm going to sit here and suffer until I'm too drunk to care.

GetYou · Post by **GetYou** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:52 pm

Thanks to everyone who went out campaigning. Your beliefs in the we rather than the me are no less valid due to this result

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:53 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Am toying with the idea of vermouth

Is it an opened bottle that's been sitting in a kitchen cupboard for at least 10 years? If so go for it, that's when Vermouth's at its best.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:54 pm

On it

Post by **adam** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:55 pm

It's a mad exit poll, but exit polls have been pretty accurate for quite a long time. A long night awaits, although I also turned off the tv straight after the announcement.

I'm truly, honestly, not predicting this at all, or pretending things are okay, but it would be particularly sweet for them to end up with no majority again after that big opening. We'll see. Otherwise there's an independent scotland, possibly through an enforced UDI - perhaps we'll also start sending our nations' representatives to jail for representing their people - a much bigger chance of a border poll in NI, and a diastrous mismanaged exit from the EU that sees us pouting for a year and then either falling out to a no-rules WTO situation or just kicking the can yet again. And no excuses for the shits, no 'parliament wouldn't let us', no 'disloyal MPs hate the people'.

None of this is very helpful.

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:56 pm

Indeed - beyond disappointment but complete respect and thanks to everyone who tried to make it different

Post by **adam** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:57 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Am toying with the idea of vermouth

I appear to have won half a bottle of bourbon in the school fair raffle. Does anyone have any maraschino cherries? We could make Manhattans.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:57 pm

I see McDonnell’s assuring us that “Labour” will make “appropriate decisions” on “Corbyn”.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:59 pm

Ive got the cherries

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:59 pm

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 11:02 pm

I said a year ago that the opposition may come to regret not voting for Theresa May's deal. This is exactly the kind of disastrous outcome I'd feared. If she'd got through her WA, we'd be in a transition period now with at least a customs union as a backstop, not facing no deal, and May wouldn't have stepped down so Johnson may never have got a chance to take over.

The bollox that is "Get Brexit done" seems to have been disseminated in the water with the same hypnotic effect of "Get my country back". Seriously depressing low levels of political debate and understanding.

Big frustration for me at the moment is that the seat prediction doesn't give a vote percentage. Is this a huge popular vote or precision targeting?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 11:02 pm

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