Thursday 12th December 2019

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:17 am

ELECTION DAY

Don't forget your umbrella.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:06 am

Good morfternoon.

It's pissing down here. And it's still dark.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:09 am

Willow904 wrote:ELECTION DAY

Don't forget your umbrella.

Might be a bit windy for umbrellas!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:10 am

Excellent Tweet from Corbyn this morning, saying he is aware that the media are about to circulate some compromising photos of him.

When you "click here for the truth" you get the polling station finder!

Post by **adam** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 9:48 am

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:03 am

Hope is at the door but I'm not going to let her in.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:08 am

Likely declaration times here.

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Post by **adam** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:11 am

gilsey wrote:Likely declaration times here.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/chri ... 10/Timings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My seat (3am - current tory majority 6627, MRP predicted majority conservative hold 16% clear) - the count officers have apparently warned the candidates that from what they're hearing they should expect a long night and a recount.

Post by **adam** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:20 am

Johnson votes in Westminster rather than his own constituency. Wouldn't it be lovely if he lost by a tiny margin.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 10:48 am

Good morning, everyone.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 11:45 am

Morning all.

Not a very nice start to the day - I picked up a phone message from last night as I'd been in GB meetings, to hear from my cousin that my aunt had died yesterday. Haven't seen here in a while but we spoke a few months ago.

Anyway, Y5 swimming done and went in voted in the nursery that's attached to the school but can be closed off so it can be used as a polling station without affecting the rest of the school. Weather isn't great.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 11:57 am

@RogerOThornhill
Please give my love to those you love.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 11:57 am

Weather is going to be roughly what you would expect for mid-December - now, what genius decided an election today might be a good idea?

The (relatively) good news is that there isn't going to be anywhere where it buckets down all day, as was the case here just on Tuesday

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 12:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Weather is going to be roughly what you would expect for mid-December - now, what genius decided an election today might be a good idea?

The (relatively) good news is that there isn't going to be anywhere where it buckets down all day, as was the case here just on Tuesday

I agree.

It could have been much worse weather. And we're kind of hardened to it aren't we?!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 12:17 pm

Hmm...targeting could have been a little better I feel. This is from my FB feed...

Why am I seeing this ad?
Options
You're seeing this ad because Erith & Thamesmead Brexit Party wants to reach people aged 18 and older who live or have recently been near London, England. This is information based on your Facebook profile and where you've connected to the Internet.

Wonder how many thousands -nay, millions - of Londoners got this which impacts them not in the slightest?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 12:24 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Weather is going to be roughly what you would expect for mid-December - now, what genius decided an election today might be a good idea?

The (relatively) good news is that there isn't going to be anywhere where it buckets down all day, as was the case here just on Tuesday

It's still bucketing down here. And it's still more or less dark.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 12:26 pm

Off to vote now - and yes, it is raining.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 12:30 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Off to vote now - and yes, it is raining.

I'll keep the kettle simmering

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 1:52 pm

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
@campbellclaret
Back in 1997 Tory strategists used to say ‘if only every voter could get to know John Major personally, we would win.’ Today, if only every voter could get to know
@BorisJohnson
personally he would be gone by Friday

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 2:20 pm

The Tunnock's caramel bars have arrived! Thank you, Mr. citizen. Please help yourselves. Cocoa and tea in the kitchen.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 2:24 pm

Mr. citizen has been out campaigning for Labour for months; he's out today. He's sunshine wherever he goes.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 2:25 pm

That's a good thing because the sun has declined rising today, I think.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 2:27 pm

citizenJA wrote:The Tunnock's caramel bars have arrived! Thank you, Mr. citizen. Please help yourselves. Cocoa and tea in the kitchen.

Tunnock's teacakes here. Tuck in!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 2:30 pm

Anecdotal reports of strong turnout in some areas, though as ever these should be treated with a pinch of salt.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 2:45 pm

The weather here has got worse.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 3:19 pm

It got worse here before it got better. The rain has actually stopped now. Dark and dreary, though.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 3:28 pm

I am more at the dark and dreary end of the personality spectrum, compared to the sunshine end occupied by Mr Citizen. The last three years haven’t helped. Less glass half empty and more, what glass.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 3:29 pm

Probably punctuated by an expletive.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 3:58 pm

@AK

Are you questioning the validity of reports from our very own Adam ?!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 4:06 pm

Still scarred by the memories of 2015 - so many (including on here) predicting not just a bad Tory result but big increases in turnout.

(in the event it was barely up on the previous election, which of course helped explain the "surprise" outcome)

Post by **adam** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 4:14 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@AK

Are you questioning the validity of reports from our very own Adam ?!

Where?

My personal view today is that I haven't got a clue what might happen. I take comfort in a range of things I've read and seen and I'm certainly not without hope but I can't honestly say I'd be surprised at any outcome.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 4:19 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I am more at the dark and dreary end of the personality spectrum, compared to the sunshine end occupied by Mr Citizen. The last three years haven’t helped. Less glass half empty and more, what glass.

We mostly use recycled jam, honey and peanut butter jars for drinking glasses.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 4:39 pm

Media report this GE is unusual and the results very unpredictable yet relentlessly conclude it'll be a Tory majority or minority return.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 4:44 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Still scarred by the memories of 2015 - so many (including on here) predicting not just a bad Tory result but big increases in turnout.

(in the event it was barely up on the previous election, which of course helped explain the "surprise" outcome)

I thought there'd be greater voter turn out in the 2017 GE. I was disappointed more didn't.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 4:46 pm

I thought the implication of your returning officer's comments were that turnout might be high and the result close

Post by **adam** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 4:50 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I thought the implication of your returning officer's comments were that turnout might be high and the result close

I think the interesting thing is that according to polling this is supposed to be becoming more of a safe tory seat - the regional press are predicting a clean sweep right across the county for them, including ultra-marginal Telford and a range of notionally safe Labour seats in the black country . I don't know where the civic folks get their information from, but if they are hearing 'recount' then that suggests the result could be nothing like the polling.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 5:24 pm

For the first time ever I went to vote not entirely sure who to vote for (safe Labour seat, Tory kicked out for antisemitic remarks), but as my pencil wavered over the options a voice came into my head, it was CJA saying 'Vote Labour', a piece of advice they repeated many times when we met, and I duly did so.

I'm not entirely sure if this was an act of free will on my part or CJA has brainwashed me, but either way despite my reservations the deed is done.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 5:33 pm

And - it's stopped raining here!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 5:44 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:For the first time ever I went to vote not entirely sure who to vote for (safe Labour seat, Tory kicked out for antisemitic remarks), but as my pencil wavered over the options a voice came into my head, it was CJA saying 'Vote Labour', a piece of advice they repeated many times when we met, and I duly did so.

I'm not entirely sure if this was an act of free will on my part or CJA has brainwashed me, but either way despite my reservations the deed is done.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 5:47 pm

PorFavor wrote:And - it's stopped raining here!

Same here. We'll have to imagine the rainbow.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 5:48 pm

No matter how miserable this evening's result may make me feel I need only look at my feet and my Christmas Sloth socks will cheer me up.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 5:59 pm

The band who rapped “Fuck you I won’t tell do what you tell me” have endorsed the former Conservative cabinet member, David Gauke. Could this election get any stranger?

David Gauke
✔
@DavidGauke

From John Major to Rage Against The Machine. I do seem to have a broad coalition of support. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … (Politics Live, Guardian)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 6:25 pm

From the G:

The Tories are sending targeted ads from the PM to voters in specific constituencies saying their seat is “one of the nine seats needed to Get Brexit Done” ... but they are sending them out to dozens of constituencies.

The adverts have been posted to voters in more than 40 constituencies, saying they are “one of the nine”

Does this sort of thing work?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 6:28 pm

Oh and:

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 7:13 pm

Sheffield newspaper the Star reports that Labour has complained after a blitz of anti-Jeremy Corbyn posters were plastered across the city overnight.

It says placards that read “Would you trust this man with your children?” featuring Corbyn’s picture have been placed outside schools and other places. The posters described him as “an extremist” and said he defended terrorists.

The Star said Labour had reported the matter to the police but South Yorkshire police told the Guardian it was a matter for the council. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Edited to add -

I'd have thought the "Would you trust this man with your children?" line would certainly make this a police matter.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 7:29 pm

In Liverpool, 48 voters were given ballot papers for the wrong constituency, the Liverpool Echo reports.

They were given papers for Wavertree, rather than Riverside, at a polling station which serves both constituencies.

[The returning officer said that] votes wrongly cast would be declared null and void and that they were attempting to contact the voters in question to allow them to re-cast their vote.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 7:43 pm

Problems have also been reported at Southampton University where the students’ union says at least 76 people have been turned away from the polling station despite being registered to vote.

One of the seats in the city - Southampton Itchen - was decided by just 31 votes in 2017, the Tories Royston Smith holding onto the seat by the skin of his teeth. (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:11 pm

Talking of Southampton Itchen, and its majority of just 31, here is a picture of a queue from a polling station there: (Politics Live, Guardian)

(Sorry, but if you want to see the pitcher you'll need to go to the Guardian as my technical expertise isn't up to it.)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:13 pm

I am, however, capable of typing

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Dec, 2019 8:13 pm