Monday 13th January 2020

[refitman]

Morning all.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Hello, anybody out there?

[citizenJA]

Good morning, everyone.

[RogerOThornhill]

Morning all.

Look to Preston for an answer to Labour’s – and Britain’s – woes

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ism-brexit

Yet this breezy homogenisation of the north and Midlands fails to take in the complex geography of Labour’s defeat. Why the party continues to thrive in some seats in the midst of heavy defeats elsewhere has barely been covered – a detail surely more important to Labour’s recovery than the endless self-flagellation encouraged by many politicians and commentators.

Take Preston, a leave-voting bloc of the party’s now destroyed “red wall”, and a crumbled bastion of the “left behind” north – only this wilfully simplistic story does not hold. Under the guidance of the radical Labour councillor Matthew Brown, Preston has democratised its public institutions and invited people to participate in decision-making at all levels of the city’s economy. And guess what? Labour held the seat by a healthy margin.

[citizenJA]

Morning all.

Look to Preston for an answer to Labour’s – and Britain’s – woes

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ism-brexit

Yet this breezy homogenisation of the north and Midlands fails to take in the complex geography of Labour’s defeat. Why the party continues to thrive in some seats in the midst of heavy defeats elsewhere has barely been covered – a detail surely more important to Labour’s recovery than the endless self-flagellation encouraged by many politicians and commentators.

Take Preston, a leave-voting bloc of the party’s now destroyed “red wall”, and a crumbled bastion of the “left behind” north – only this wilfully simplistic story does not hold. Under the guidance of the radical Labour councillor Matthew Brown, Preston has democratised its public institutions and invited people to participate in decision-making at all levels of the city’s economy. And guess what? Labour held the seat by a healthy margin.

(cJA bold)
Let's adapt his example for use everywhere

[AnatolyKasparov]

Butler and Allin-Khan both on the provisional deputy leadership lists after getting the required 22 MP nominations.

With the deadline at 1430 hours today, Burgon still needs a few more......

[gilsey]

Clive Lewis has withdrawn.

[AnatolyKasparov]

There are limits to what can be said on a public forum such as this one, but let's just say there are arguably reasons for MPs (and others) to be so wary of him.

A shame nonetheless, as he does say some both good and interesting things.

Burgon has made the DL lists now, still a few more leadership nominations for Thornberry to get - could go down to the wire!

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Read the replies on this thread for a chuckle

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[frog222]

There are limits to what can be said on a public forum such as this one, but let's just say there are arguably reasons for MPs (and others) to be so wary of him.

A shame nonetheless, as he does say some both good and interesting things.

Burgon has made the DL lists now, still a few more leadership nominations for Thornberry to get - could go down to the wire!

There is a list of examples of poor taste, to say the least, in the HuckMag of 19thDecember .

You either need an incredibly thick skin to go into national politics, given the UK press's shark-like avidity for a whiff of scandal, or that magic BoJo ingredient that somehow none of it sticks !

[HindleA]

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[HindleA]

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[citizenJA]

Clive Lewis has withdrawn.

Another time, perhaps; or another endeavour for him in Labour. He's not gone.

[tinyclanger2]

Unfortunately only Lewis looked remotely interesting to me.

[citizenJA]

https://www.huckmag.com/perspectives/cl ... the-truth/

In the 'no stranger to controversy' part with a couple of his quotes linked in parentheses I was reminded of something I don't think I've mentioned here before. I wasn't at all offended by what he said at the time because I understood what he meant. He later explained what he meant because others were offended. I didn't grow up in the UK; I lived many years in California. Some of his conversation and aspects of his personality remind me of friends and colleagues I've there.

[tinyclanger2]

Oh yes, and Brian Blessed comes across as such as an interesting man himself of course.

[citizenJA]

I think the next Labour leader most likely to lead Labour to electoral victory as soon as possible is Starmer.

[RogerOThornhill]

There's rather a decent tweet that's been dug relating to Zac Goldsmith being introduced to the HoL today.

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Zac Goldsmith on House of Lords in 2012:

"Seedy lists of party apparatchiks appointed by power hungry party leaders & insulated from any democratic pressure for 15 yrs? No thanks."

[gilsey]

This is unusually blunt from Sparrow's summary, my bold.

Johnson has falsely claimed that there will be no checks on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland under his plans for Northern Ireland to remain in the single market after Brexit.

[gilsey]

Also from Sparrow's summary.

Lisa Nandy has claimed voters in the general election found the prospect of a Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn “frightening”, and said the party under her leadership would remain radical but try to persuade people it would be careful with their money.

Is there some group or faction behind Nandy's bid for the leadership, because I can't see the point of her?

[frog222]

Either he's next on your Trump Dynasty, or it's IVANKA !

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[citizenJA]

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA