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Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 7:01 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 10:24 am
by gilsey
Just in case you were feeling cheery this am.
He suggested that the government was working on a plan to allow people to contribute to the cost of allowing Ben Ben to chime on 31 January to mark Brexit. The Commons authorities have ruled this out because interfering with the Big Ben restoration project to allow the bell to be rung at the end of the month would cost £500,000. Asked about this, Johnson said:

The bongs cost £500,000 but we’re working up a plan so people can bung a bob for a Big Ben bong because there are some people who want to.

Because Big Ben is being refurbished, they seem to have taken the clapper away, so we need to restore the clapper in order to bong Big Ben on Brexit night.

And that is expensive, so we’re looking at whether the public can fund it.

It was not clear whether or not Johnson was joking.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 10:57 am
by HindleA
Reached overwaffling status and self-destructed

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 10:58 am
by RogerOThornhill
Morning all.

re the above, I looked at Big Ben which is trending on that Twitter and all I can say is that there are some remarkably silly people in this country right now.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 11:05 am
by gilsey
Dan Sohege
@thefishareloose
"Bung a Bob to get a bong"? Somehow I expected the last shred of the country's respect to be lost in a less alliterative manner.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 11:23 am
by AnatolyKasparov
HindleA wrote:Reached overwaffling status and self-destructed
Sounds like our PM, except for the last bit unfortunately.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 11:49 am
by frog222
Guardian LB 10.03h
” … the main takeaway is that Johnson has just as prone to using bluster, evasion and hyperbole when faced with difficult questions as he was before he went on his New Year holiday. Still, he was not untruthful in the way that he was yesterday, …”

” When the presenter, Dan Walker, turned to Brexit, saying it was one of Johnson’s favourite subjects, Johnson replied:

It is one of my least favourite subjects, because we need to move on."

This is not the first time that Johnson has made this point, but it does reinforce suggestions that the man who led the Vote Leave campaign in 2016 is not convinced that the whole project has been an undiluted triumph.”
I think it was yesterday that the Liveblog was persuaded from btl to actually change a word and use “untruthful” to describe the Liar’s lies

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 11:56 am
by AnatolyKasparov
Its just so shameless :D

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 1:17 pm
by HindleA
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 2:02 pm
by gilsey
Stormont's been back a couple of days and they're announcing committees.

Where are ours?

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 2:02 pm
by Willow904
Raises questions of what exactly is the point of devolution if not to try to fix local problems that national policies are failing to address.

The only logical interpretation of the government's stance on this is that they are actively pursuing a national policy in the interests of rogue landlords and are actively against better housing conditions and rights for tenants.

Ie. poor housing is a deliberate choice, not policy failure.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 2:08 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
gilsey wrote:Stormont's been back a couple of days and they're announcing committees.

Where are ours?
Government still working out how to rig them most effectively?

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 2:16 pm
by gilsey
Willow904 wrote:
The only logical interpretation of the government's stance on this is that they are actively pursuing a national policy in the interests of rogue landlords and are actively against better housing conditions and rights for tenants.

Ie. poor housing is a deliberate choice, not policy failure.
There's this

Guide for tenants: Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation) Act 2018
But if you read on
Step 3: Is the problem so bad that it makes your house or flat not fit to live in?
Infers that the place has to be literally uninhabitable before you can get help in law.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 2:24 pm
by RogerOThornhill
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:Stormont's been back a couple of days and they're announcing committees.

Where are ours?
Government still working out how to rig them most effectively?
Yes, who to pick that will say "I don't think we need to worry about a Russia Report" with sufficient conviction.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 3:19 pm
by HindleA
Pfft Living in a rat-infested piss hole is unfair to those without.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 3:44 pm
by adam
From 2017
MPs vote to give Tories majority on Commons committees despite 'power grab' fears
Under rules introduced in 1995, the governing party may only be guaranteed a majority on committees as long as it has a parliamentary majority. But under the proposals tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom, “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.
So what will they set up when they actually do have a majority? Chairs and majorities on every committee, such as they are?

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 6:21 pm
by frog222
gilsey wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
The only logical interpretation of the government's stance on this is that they are actively pursuing a national policy in the interests of rogue landlords and are actively against better housing conditions and rights for tenants.

Ie. poor housing is a deliberate choice, not policy failure.
There's this

Guide for tenants: Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation) Act 2018
But if you read on
Step 3: Is the problem so bad that it makes your house or flat not fit to live in?
Infers that the place has to be literally uninhabitable before you can get help in law.
TWO-NATION TORYISM !

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 6:35 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
As surmised by me the day after the GE, the phrase "managed democracy" is one we are unfortunately going to be a bit more familiar with come 2024.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 6:59 pm
by PorFavor
Jess Phillips calls for citizens’ assembly to tackle climate crisis (Guardian)
That's a terrible idea. Put forward to sound like an "I'm one of the people, me" crowd-pleaser.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ate-crisis

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 7:09 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
There are people who could propose citizens assemblies, and you would at least take the proposal seriously even if not agreeing.

Needless to say, she is not one of those people.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 7:14 pm
by tinyclanger2
As I say, I am not overwhelmed.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 7:25 pm
by citizenJA
Willow904 wrote:
Raises questions of what exactly is the point of devolution if not to try to fix local problems that national policies are failing to address.

The only logical interpretation of the government's stance on this is that they are actively pursuing a national policy in the interests of rogue landlords and are actively against better housing conditions and rights for tenants.

Ie. poor housing is a deliberate choice, not policy failure.
I think Westminster's action towards Liverpool is intentionally vindictive.

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 7:54 pm
by HindleA
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... -years-old" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 8:09 pm
by citizenJA
Effective Labour MPs can be characters but they can't be self-aggrandisers
Prima donnas belong in opera

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 10:09 pm
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Re: Tuesday 14th January 2020

Posted: Tue 14 Jan, 2020 10:25 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Some very interesting pieces about the GE/Corbyn from Jeremy Gilbert on the OpenDemocracy site.

Well worth a read.