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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:10 pm 
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There may or may not be a difference,for far too many among mbers,there is IMHO.


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And extent of "leftism" hasn't a direct relationship with wanting the Tories out,but rather a view as to how.I haven't much time for the self-proclaimed "truists or real Socialists.
I don't care about true-believer horseshit either. Life doesn't work that way. It's futile. Brittle reeds break.


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:18 pm 
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Or indeed wallowing in a self-pitying exclusion zone blaming everything and everybody else apart from.ourselves.


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There may or may not be a difference,for far too many among mbers,there is IMHO.

You might be right. However, good policies benefiting everyone have made it through Parliament. That's the point of gaining leadership. Responsibly representing people


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Or indeed wallowing in a self-pitying exclusion zone blaming everything and everybody else apart from.ourselves.
Blaming ourselves for what?


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"We'll have years of internal squabbling and relentless diversionary own belly-button gazing but still have time for daily e-mails asking for more of your cash"

Back of my card.
Why indulge in this cynicism? It's possible to lose, to feel pain and not whine or bite in response to it. Those responses can drive others away prolonging our loss or suffering.


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:24 pm 
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That Labour so overindulges and sent the stated e-mails -somewhat ironically I would have been the despised rich to Chip in a £1 every time they asked,is a fact
I've remained in Labour for fourty years and have been as active as circumstances allow each to their own as to how they manage that.I reserve the right to take the piss.


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The entrepreneurial spirit is certainly strong in our village. Since the Halifax closed, the shop which it occupied has hosted a series of niche, amateur enterprises. A prepared meals outlet (never quite understood what it was), a nail and beauty bar and now (despite all the evidence of links with skin cancer) a tanning salon. In a village of 7,000. Each time a large sum of money is spent kitting the new enterprise out. Each time interest in said enterprise is woeful to non-existent. I'm left scratching my head and wondering where the money for these white elephants comes from. How are they funded when the business model can't possibly work? Compared to, say, the pizza & kebab takeaway which has at least a passing chance of turning a profit and I can see a bank lending on it.

Anyway, if Johnson's shtick is to appeal to chancers and spivs, I can see the sense in that. There seems to be an inordinate amount of them about. How they fund their lifestyles off such small amounts of work and customers, though, is beyond me.
Narcotic & hallucinogen drug sales


That's.... an interesting theory!

I was actually wondering if there's some sort of start-up grant or something that doesn't have to be paid back which they use to set up a useless business, pay themselves a hefty wage from and then walk away debt free.

Of course some self-employed people are just carrying eye-watering amounts of debt.

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Misunderstanding has happened again...I advocate compromise,I am arguing stoically against choosing the next leader,priority wise on closeness to own view -a committed Labour member rather than the best person in terms of getting the necessary votes that matter,if you want Labour to be in Government ie.keeping it "left"/pure or whatever ,I have no desire to sit in a self satisfied exclusion zone praising each other how good we are .Tories don't stick to the rules,neither should we.
Well, yeah
I didn't realise that needed saying


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Goodnight, everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:42 pm 
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citizenJA wrote:
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Misunderstanding has happened again...I advocate compromise,I am arguing stoically against choosing the next leader,priority wise on closeness to own view -a committed Labour member rather than the best person in terms of getting the necessary votes that matter,if you want Labour to be in Government ie.keeping it "left"/pure or whatever ,I have no desire to sit in a self satisfied exclusion zone praising each other how good we are .Tories don't stick to the rules,neither should we.
Well, yeah
I didn't realise that needed saying



Not to you perhaps,,we shall see how many go the self indulgent route.


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jan, 2020 11:46 pm 
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Or indeed wallowing in a self-pitying exclusion zone blaming everything and everybody else apart from.ourselves.
Blaming ourselves for what?



We are party members,the party failed ,a basic tenet of being a Socialist,or should be is to share responsibility ,we cannot exclude ourselves or carry a get out clause.


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Just the other side of "I'm pure I is"


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HindleA wrote:
That Labour so overindulges and sent the stated e-mails -somewhat ironically I would have been the despised rich to Chip in a £1 every time they asked,is a fact
I've remained in Labour for fourty years and have been as active as circumstances allow each to their own as to how they manage that.I reserve the right to take the piss.
Absolutely right
I liked this post of yours a lot.


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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jan, 2020 12:34 am 
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The entrepreneurial spirit is certainly strong in our village. Since the Halifax closed, the shop which it occupied has hosted a series of niche, amateur enterprises. A prepared meals outlet (never quite understood what it was), a nail and beauty bar and now (despite all the evidence of links with skin cancer) a tanning salon. In a village of 7,000. Each time a large sum of money is spent kitting the new enterprise out. Each time interest in said enterprise is woeful to non-existent. I'm left scratching my head and wondering where the money for these white elephants comes from. How are they funded when the business model can't possibly work? Compared to, say, the pizza & kebab takeaway which has at least a passing chance of turning a profit and I can see a bank lending on it.

Anyway, if Johnson's shtick is to appeal to chancers and spivs, I can see the sense in that. There seems to be an inordinate amount of them about. How they fund their lifestyles off such small amounts of work and customers, though, is beyond me.
Narcotic & hallucinogen drug sales

That's.... an interesting theory!

I was actually wondering if there's some sort of start-up grant or something that doesn't have to be paid back which they use to set up a useless business, pay themselves a hefty wage from and then walk away debt free.

Of course some self-employed people are just carrying eye-watering amounts of debt.
Perhaps my reply was more flippant than is wise. I've had to seek advice and assistance regarding neighbour's drug use. Please excuse me if I've been insensitive.


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PostPosted: Fri 17 Jan, 2020 12:41 am 
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HindleA wrote:
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HindleA wrote:
Or indeed wallowing in a self-pitying exclusion zone blaming everything and everybody else apart from.ourselves.
Blaming ourselves for what?



We are party members,the party failed ,a basic tenet of being a Socialist,or should be is to share responsibility ,we cannot exclude ourselves or carry a get out clause.
Of course. My studies of the GE results and my posted results findings help me determine what happened. Knowing the truth about the failed attempt to get Labour into leadership is essential. What did or didn't I do wrong, if anything?

Now I'm really going to sleep.

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