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” When Cain told the banned journalists to leave, the rest of the journalists decided to walk out collectively rather than allow Downing Street to choose who scrutinises and reports on the government.

Among those who refused the briefing on the UK’s trade negotiations with the EU were the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, ITV’s Robert Peston, and political journalists from Sky News, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, the Sun, the Financial Times and the Guardian. ”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... porter-ban

The BBC online UK News does NOT mention it at all . As of 6am today.

Last night Kuenssberg makes no mention of it

” But gone today was Boris Johnson’s previous breezy optimism about there being “zero chance” of there being no deal by the end of the year. In its place a new claim that if there is no “Canada” deal, there could instead be an “Australian” deal.

Let’s be clear about one thing. There is no Australian free trade deal with the EU. Negotiations started on one last year, and at the moment the two sides trade under a decade old much looser partnership while trying to thrash through issues from fuel emissions to what producers on opposite sides of the world should be allowed to call their cheese.

And for Number 10, this sudden reference to an “Australian deal” seems to be an effort to rebrand what the government’s written statement later said was a relationship “based simply on the Withdrawal Agreement deal agreed in October 2019, including the Protocol in Ireland/Northern Ireland”.

In other words, if there isn’t a comprehensive trade deal by the end of the year, the UK would move to a situation trading with the EU on World Trade Organisation terms. This would mean taxes on exports and customs checks which, if it came to pass, could be massively disruptive for businesses and very costly for the economy.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51360178

Finally it was mentioned on this morning’s paper review on Radio4, quoting the Guardian but NOT the BBC journalist who was there .

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I see that the gun which No 10 used to shoot itself in the foot yesterday found its way remarkably quickly across to Iowa...

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Australia is just a nicer word for WTO.

I've spent the last 4+ years wondering what was so terrible about Ed Miliband.
I know people have genuine misgivings about JC but currently I'm not finding it any easier to work out what would have been so terrible about him. In comparison with what we've got.

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I see that the gun which No 10 used to shoot itself in the foot yesterday found its way remarkably quickly across to Iowa...

The DP have the grace to look embarrassed.
Not sure No 10 care, sowing confusion is their modus operandi.

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We'll sit through months of panic over the UK going for minimal links with the EU only with all likelihood the UK swerving towards accepting more alignment than it said it would. Johnson will successfully sell this as a triumph in England and ignore damage it does in Scotland

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That's why I'm getting cantankerous about this atm. The UK government is in permanent campaign mode in ways that escalate tensions within UK politics and trap the UK in zero sum games with the EU in ways that afterwards will look completely unnecessary. Pointless even


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but you put your finger on it. Permanent campaign mode. Why are they in permanent campaign mode?

What is it that is driving them into that approach to media management?

It has to be that the "consensus" over Brexit is fragile & this is the only way to construct the new reality.

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I've spent the last 4+ years wondering what was so terrible about Ed Miliband.
I know people have genuine misgivings about JC but currently I'm not finding it any easier to work out what would have been so terrible about him. In comparison with what we've got.
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Ed Miliband's Labour government would've been fine.


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We'll sit through months of panic over the UK going for minimal links with the EU only with all likelihood the UK swerving towards accepting more alignment than it said it would. Johnson will successfully sell this as a triumph in England and ignore damage it does in Scotland

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That's why I'm getting cantankerous about this atm. The UK government is in permanent campaign mode in ways that escalate tensions within UK politics and trap the UK in zero sum games with the EU in ways that afterwards will look completely unnecessary. Pointless even


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but you put your finger on it. Permanent campaign mode. Why are they in permanent campaign mode?

What is it that is driving them into that approach to media management?

It has to be that the "consensus" over Brexit is fragile & this is the only way to construct the new reality.
Important and accurate insight of current events
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We still don't know what happened in Iowa, save for one thing - Biden has seriously tanked. Yet another triumph for the "strategy of inevitability".


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Boris Johnson doesn’t get climate change, says sacked COP 26 chair

Claire O’Neill says prime minister’s promises of action are not close to being met
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(Claire Perry as-was. Horrible woman. But stopped clocks, and all that. Or sour grapes. Take your pick. I'm going for the former.)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/04/sacked-cop-26-chair-claire-oneill-berates-boris-johnson-over-climate-record


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Boris Johnson doesn’t get climate change, says sacked COP 26 chair

Claire O’Neill says prime minister’s promises of action are not close to being met
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(Claire Perry as-was. Horrible woman. But stopped clocks, and all that. Or sour grapes. Take your pick. I'm going for the former.)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/04/sacked-cop-26-chair-claire-oneill-berates-boris-johnson-over-climate-record


Sometimes both happily coincide.......


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Britain’s public finances face a black hole in three years if the economy follows the path forecast by the Bank of England, breaking chancellor Sajid Javid’s new rules to guarantee a current budget surplus. Financial Times calculations suggest that the lower rates of sustainable economic growth forecast by the BoE would leave the chancellor with a £12bn deficit by 2022-23, instead of the £5bn surplus laid out in the Conservative’s election manifesto


FT, reported in the guardian live blog. An interesting lack of the word 'unexpected'.

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Today’s #cop26 shenanigans are deeply depressing: UK Gov has presidency of an institution it doesn’t understand, with a PM who doesn’t ‘get’ the most important issue facing humanity and can’t answer questions. This is amateur hour. Appoint someone as COP President and get a grip
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Yeah, I don't get it either.

Why do people want a moron for PM rather than Ed Miliband?

Do they think it's an act? That the 8 years of spectacular underachievement as London Mayor was some kind of hoax? That he deliberately failed as Foreign Minister as part of some clever, never to be revealed, plan?

Or were they simply misled by a media that treated him as a viable contender for PM. I mean, if he wasn't fit for office, the media would tell them, right? Like they kindly warned them about Jeremy Corbyn.

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I've actually heard people - you know, fairly switched on ones and not thickos - say "but he's so FUNNY!!"


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At the assessment centre now, they're running 40 minutes late and have begun cancelling appointments. What an absolute fucking shambles. The waiting area is full of very unhappy people and the staff are not only no help but are becoming visibly irritated by people's complaints. Utterly disgraceful.


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At the assessment centre now, they're running 40 minutes late and have begun cancelling appointments. What an absolute fucking shambles. The waiting area is full of very unhappy people and the staff are not only no help but are becoming visibly irritated by people's complaints. Utterly disgraceful.

Sky -- is anyone surreptitiously filming/recording them ?


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At the assessment centre now, they're running 40 minutes late and have begun cancelling appointments. What an absolute fucking shambles. The waiting area is full of very unhappy people and the staff are not only no help but are becoming visibly irritated by people's complaints. Utterly disgraceful.


What time are you due to be on, and are you likely to get guillotined? Or is there no way of
estimating that? Or are you pissed off with questions at such a stressful time?


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Well this is interesting...

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NEW: Tories under pressure from Jewish and Muslim groups to sack Daniel Kawczynski after he spoke at an event with far-right politicians

Calling for action:
— @BoardofDeputies
— @MuslimCouncil
— @JewishLabour
— @antisemitism

@CCHQPress no comment


I'm sure that all the usual suspects who tweet and retweet every single incident when it relates to labour will be jumping all over this soon...they will, won't they?

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Ok so this is what it's like to be assessed by our delightful caring benefit system, or at least the outsourced privately provided part of it.

Turned up 10 minutes early (as stipulated in the letter they send out) and found myself in a waiting room that resembled an A&E ward exuding an atmosphere of anger, bitterness and frustration. It felt utterly toxic in there and there were no seats left so people were coming in who were clearly struggling to walk and there was nowhere for them to sit. Consequently after dealing with the churlish, patronising receptionist I decided to wait outside until my appointment time, only to be told upon my return that they were running 40 minutes late. Some of the other people heard this and a rumbling of discontent began culminating in a lad who was there with his mum freaking out at the receptionist saying he had Asperger's and he'd already waited half an hour and couldn't stand staying there any longer. Her response was to tell him to 'calm down' and that if he left he would lose his benefits, at which point his mum joined the fray and a slanging match ensued resulting eventually in the receptionist calling over the security guard. He took them outside and calmed the mother down at least, but the whole sorry, unpleasant incident could have been avoided if the receptionist had shown even the merest hint of compassion. After that they began cancelling appointments.

So I waited outside for another 45 minutes before being called in to be interviewed by a jolly Geordie woman (always a woman, I've never once been assessed by a man) who did what they always do, pretended to be my best most caring friend in the whole world whose sole purpose in life was to help me in any way she possibly could. I asked her what her medical qualifications were and she told me she was 'a nurse', trying to pin this down I enquired if she had any experience or training in mental health which she admitted she didn't but she'd once been on a course about 'dealing with trauma' or some other vague bullshit. I can always check, I had the whole thing recorded. Then we went through the whole pitiful charade of her pretending to be asking spontaneous questions about my life while actually following a set series of questions (called descriptors). How you answer these determines how many points you get, not enough points no benefits. And with mental health problems you're already at a disadvantage because most of the descriptors deal with physical problems. After the conclusion of said farce she asked me if I had any questions for her, the one that sprang most loudly to mind was 'How the fuck can you live with yourself working for these people?' but I just laughed and said 'No' then got up and left. The security guard had to run after me to give me a CD of the recording of the assessment. I might put it on Youtube to some fucked up music.

So now I play the waiting game. A game I shall begin by getting drunk (what a suprise eh :) ).


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Sky -- is anyone surreptitiously filming/recording them ?


I was told by the receptionist that I was not allowed to film or record anything on the premises, apparently it's one of the conditions of a form you have to sign, can't have the public seeing vulnerable distressed people being treated like shit can we?


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Anecdotal reporting from China is starting to get increasingly hairy :shock:


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Anecdotal reporting from China is starting to get increasingly hairy :shock:

Is it the virus itself or response(s) to it making things hairy?


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This is for tinyclanger2:

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Former top judge calls for fundamental review of politics post-Brexit

Lord Sumption says electoral reform and role of monarch should form part of any constitutional review

“I think they need to look at whether some form of proportional representation should replace first past the post. I don’t think much of the alternative vote system. Some form of proportional representation would have the advantage – at a time when compromise is difficult to achieve within political parties – of [enabling compromise] to occur between parties.” (Guardian - my emphasis)


I assume that he's including my favoured option, AV+.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/04/former-top-judge-calls-for-fundamental-review-of-politics-post-brexit


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As ever the "vulnerable,poor "othering guff rather than applicable to potentially everyone made it far harder to combat.Now after the event juicy stories served up as "news" for the orgasmic delight of the self deceiving superiors and the patronising left to shout oppose,pat on the head and be further than doing anythi g about it


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Saying X by definition is vulnerable,ignores/obfuscates the manner in which they are made so,unnecessarily.You can't be (sufficiently)vulnerable if you are not being properly supported ;you can't be vulnerable if you are dead.


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And as ever,in perfect proportion


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The Guardian view on welfare policy: cutting out the poor


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"This calculated manipulation by rightwing politicians is why we are in the mess we are in. Some voters back politicians who are determined to cut the support that those same voters rely upon"


Begs the question if you know this,why facillitate/work within the same narrative.


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I'm delighted you're here.



You're easily pleased . . .


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The absolute cheek of it.

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The othering is not a moot point,wherever it emanates.It leads to as but one example a loan scheme exempt from *normal* regulation.


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Just because it’s great

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(Vis a vis lene lovich - not Mr A’s interstitial comment)

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I'll see your Lene Lovich and . . .




(Lightly) edited - as suggested


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For some reason I have conjured a strong image of Mr A and Tarquin throwing serious shapes to the above.

Edited to add: PTO!

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