Saturday 22nd & Sunday 23rd February 2020

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 8:47 am

Morning

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ir-starmer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 8:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... velling-up" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 8:53 am

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 10:27 am

HindleA wrote:Morning

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ir-starmer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I fail to see how any of the above is "getting personal" tbh.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 11:55 am

Could do without the shit-stirring cynical ammunition providers of the don't believe their fake news,believe ours nonsenseteers IMHO.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 1:43 pm

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 2:30 pm

He's often good.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 4:35 pm

Good morfternoon.

A third of patients have to wait a week or more for a GP appointment
Thinktank survey shows system at breaking point as experts question Johnson’s pledge to recruit more family doctors (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... o-see-a-gp

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 4:54 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 6:10 pm

https://www.ftadviser.com/pensions/2018 ... ld/?page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK state pension worst in the developed world

Goes on to say we can't even afford the worst pension in the developed world and despite low paid millenials and women already facing worse pension prospects after recent changes, UK pensions will have to be cut even further or NI contributions rise. Now remind me what the Chancellor, Philip Hammond, tried to do a couple of years ago but was shouted down by self-interested, self-employed journalists....

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 6:13 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/f ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 6:16 pm

Its good that the cranks are finally being weeded out, this is something which all the Labour leadership candidates agree on.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 8:15 pm

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 8:20 pm

Cor blimey.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 8:37 pm

Exit poll gives Sanders a massive lead in Nevada.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 9:28 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... nty-latest" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 10:05 pm

Things going swimmingly then?

Home Office’s immigration boss quit ‘after run-ins with Priti Patel’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -row-patel

Mick Jones of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS), the largest trade union for Home Office staff, said that Patel’s approach to various immigration issues had led to Thomson’s resignation.

“He’s indicated to our reps that it was mainly because they had had major run-ins. It was clear that [Patel] had come in and was trying to do things that they [Home Office officials] just weren’t comfortable with and [Thomson] sort of said ‘I’m off then’.”

But of course when things inevitably will go wrong, it will be the Civil Service's fault...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 10:10 pm

And from the DT...

Top civil servants on Tories' 'hit list'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -hit-list/

Boris Johnson wants to replace a series of mandarins as part of a move to change dramatically the approach in some of Whitehall’s most influential departments, Tory sources claim.

Senior Tories said No 10 sees Sir Tom Scholar, the Treasury permanent secretary, who previously led David Cameron’s attempted renegotiations with the EU, as “offside” on Brexit and his approach to the economy.

Sir Tom is said to top a “s---list” of permanent secretaries No 10 wants replaced over claims that they are significantly at odds with Tory ministers and advisers, who have been buoyed by Mr Johnson’s landslide election win.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 10:14 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 10:50 pm

Pentagon reveals deal with Britain to replace Trident
MPs dismayed after US defence officials leak news of nuclear weapons deal before parliament is told

Britain has committed itself to buying a new generation of nuclear warheads to replace Trident, which will be based on US technology. The decision was revealed by Pentagon officials who disclosed it before an official announcement has been made by the government.(Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ear-weapon

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 11:05 pm

Ah yes, our closest best buddy...thoroughly reliable.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 22 Feb, 2020 11:09 pm

Rename communal calamity - won't be done by Christmas he says (8.6).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:51 am

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... pitals-nhs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:59 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/commentisfree" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 12:46 pm

More delays? Well, I am surprised at that...

Anger over fresh delays to decision on Arcuri-Johnson probe

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... esh-delays

Now London assembly members fear that the continuing and “surprising” delay by IOPC investigators could mean that no announcement will be forthcoming before the period of “purdah” that begins next month before the London mayoral elections.

They say they were initially told that the IOPC investigation into Johnson – who, when he was mayor, had responsibility for policing in London – would be “done and dusted” by the end of November, allowing the GLA’s oversight committee to resume its own investigation into Johnson’s relationship with Arcuri.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 12:53 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk/commentisfree

Did you mean to link to that generic page?

Rawnsley missing the point again, I see.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 1:51 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 3:02 pm

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 3:48 pm

Lisa Nandy says trans rights pledge wording gave her 'pause for thought'

Labour leadership candidate responds to criticism of Labour Campaign for Trans Rights
(Guardian)

I think that if I had as many reservations about the pledge as Lisa Nandy says she has, then I wouldn't have signed it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... leadership

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 4:01 pm

I tend not to bother with politics programmes on Sunday so had missed this until just now.

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NEW: Diane Abbott says she will be stepping down from the Shadow Cabinet under the new leader because they will need to construct their own team #ridge

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 4:55 pm

Of course she is in her mid 60s now so its a natural time to do so anyway.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 5:21 pm

I don't buy this bit of revisionism.

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If Tony Blair has been leader, Labour would have won the 2010 election. There would have been no Brexit, no Johnson, no Cummings and we would all be much happier and better off

4:06 AM - 23 Feb 2020

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:13 pm

Equally, if the Guardian hadn’t laid into Brown, perhaps Labour would still have won.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:24 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Equally, if the Guardian hadn’t laid into Brown, perhaps Labour would still have won.

I agree with you.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:28 pm

I've always liked Gordon Brown. He's a decent, responsible person and I'm sorry his premiership ended.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:30 pm

The Tories ignored expert flood advice in favour of austerity. Behold the results
Simon Wren-Lewis

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:54 pm

One of my favourite journos of recent times is Jon Stone

This thread on the New Labour years is simple, factual and quite brutal.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:54 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 9:55 pm

Not quite factual re.welfare reform but I am pernickety

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:00 pm

HindleA wrote:Not quite factual re.welfare reform but I am pernickety

Go on.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:05 pm

Unfit to work being forced to work,for one thing.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:06 pm

Or mothers'with children under one,for another.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:10 pm

This is good too

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:11 pm

@HA thanks

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:17 pm

Not defending,the bloody "rat"depictions on bus shelters and adverts with the "appropriate"accents etc was atrocious.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:21 pm

"The world is fast approaching a tipping point in the spread of the coronavirus, according to experts, who warn that the disease is outpacing efforts to contain it, after major outbreaks forced Italy and Iran to introduce stringent internal travel restrictions and South Korea’s president placed the country on red alert."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... xperts-say" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think it's correct to say humans are now closely connected in a way historically unprecedented. What are the indirect consequences of the disease? Think of how pharmaceuticals, foodstuffs and gadgets are created, grown, harvested or manufactured. One link in the production chain goes down and we have no boxed blister packs of clonazepam tablets, for example.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:30 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@HA thanks

Thank you both. I needed the reminder.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 10:37 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 11:18 pm

If this is what it looks like at the top of Calderdale imagine what it looks like at the bottom.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 23 Feb, 2020 11:39 pm

That's my mate P, he's a labour member who voted for Jeremy Corbyn but now thinks armed conflict in a low level civil war is what's about to happen next.