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Monday 9th March 2020

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Morning all.
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Morning all.

Good start to the day.

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we have now arrived at a point where out of sheer, dogmatic, remorseless antipathy to anything and everything remotely connected with the EU the UK is ripping up almost every form of co-operation, regardless of the costs.
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Also includes this, linking with Peter Foster's thread.
Senior civil servants use language with great precision: Sedwill’s message was clear and intended, and it makes sense precisely in the context of a significant gap opening up between serving the government and serving the national interest.
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The business groups are uniformly upset by what one source in the loop calls putting “political dogma above the economic well-being of the country” - and the fact that the industry is clearly being lined up for the blame if the trucks stop running on time. /13
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Re news elsewhere it would appear that someone in Labour HQ has been reading "How To Shoot Yourself in the Foot"...

:roll:

Unless of course there's things out there that we haven't been told about yet but will emerge eventually.
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Good morning, everyone.
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I think there's a lot of factors causing macroeconomic turbulence.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Re news elsewhere it would appear that someone in Labour HQ has been reading "How To Shoot Yourself in the Foot"...

:roll:

Unless of course there's things out there that we haven't been told about yet but will emerge eventually.
It was correct for Muslims to be judged collectively, he (Phillips) argued. “You keep saying that I make these generalisations. But the truth is, if you do belong to a group, whether it is a church, or a football club, you identify with a particular set of values, and you stand for it. And frankly you are judged by that.”
I think this is a pretty good example of Labour trying to do something which is eminently justifiable whilst, at the same time, hanging a sign on their back that says 'Kick me'.
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A lot of us are surprised that Trevor Phillips was still a party member, mind.....
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not shocked in the least by the bloody title of the Panorama programme.
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They're "shocked" in the Captain Renault sense?
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I've complained about the title.
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As the DWP can't be surprised by its own attitudes to disabled people, perhaps the "shock" is that other employers don't share them.
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adam wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Re news elsewhere it would appear that someone in Labour HQ has been reading "How To Shoot Yourself in the Foot"...

:roll:

Unless of course there's things out there that we haven't been told about yet but will emerge eventually.
It was correct for Muslims to be judged collectively, he (Phillips) argued. “You keep saying that I make these generalisations. But the truth is, if you do belong to a group, whether it is a church, or a football club, you identify with a particular set of values, and you stand for it. And frankly you are judged by that.”
I think this is a pretty good example of Labour trying to do something which is eminently justifiable whilst, at the same time, hanging a sign on their back that says 'Kick me'.
What was Labour supposed to do?
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A 40-year-old woman, who had visited Israel on a tour of the Holy sites, is now hospitalised in isolation in Mytilene, the capital of Lesbos, also suspected of having contracted the virus. Although an official announcement is expected later today, doctors say the case has all but been confirmed with the woman’s two children being withdrawn from school at their mother’s request.

The case has raised fears of an outbreak on the island currently hosting over 27,000 migrants and refugees with most housed in notoriously unhygienic conditions in Moria, it’s biggest camp. The woman, who works in a supermarket in Plomari, had by her own admission been in contact with countless people upon her return from the trip.
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citizenJA wrote:What was Labour supposed to do?
Ask the question 'why now'?
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Until recently, the complaint was that Labour weren't dealing with such cases (and certainly not fast enough) rather than the opposite.
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gilsey wrote:
citizenJA wrote:What was Labour supposed to do?
Ask the question 'why now'?
If Labour didn't proceed now, that could've made the headlines too.
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Now?
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Until recently, the complaint was that Labour weren't dealing with such cases (and certainly not fast enough) rather than the opposite.
They're not going to successfully counter the accusation of being too soft on anti-Semitism by overreacting on Islamaphobia, I'd suggest.
Either we can have free and open debates about contentious issues or we can't.

And "why now?" is a concerning question, if the conclusion many people are jumping to is correct.
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And it is an "overreaction" because?

(are people saying this aware of everything Phillips has said and done)
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But one thing is clear: Phillips cannot treat Muslims as a homogeneous group when it suits him, then later deny they are racialised. Whatever the outcome of Labour’s inquiry into his Islamophobia, there’s no denying he has a case to answer.
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Speaking to reporters on Monday, the Manhattan US attorney Geoffrey Berman said: “Contrary to Prince Andrew’s very public offer to cooperate with our investigation into Epstein’s co-conspirators, an offer that was conveyed via press release, Prince Andrew has now completely shut the door on voluntary cooperation and our office is considering its options.”

In November, Andrew said he was “willing to help any appropriate law enforcement agency with their investigations if required”.

Prince Andrew won't voluntarily cooperate in Epstein inquiry, prosecutor says
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HindleA wrote:But one thing is clear: Phillips cannot treat Muslims as a homogeneous group when it suits him, then later deny they are racialised. Whatever the outcome of Labour’s inquiry into his Islamophobia, there’s no denying he has a case to answer.
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Quote from article ,to be clear.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:And it is an "overreaction" because?

(are people saying this aware of everything Phillips has said and done)
I don't know if it's an overraction, I was just saying if it's an overreaction Labour is just digging themselves deeper and deeper into the pit of prescribed purity of thought.

FWIW I do think Labour's reaction to gender critical members has definitely been an overreaction.

And none of this helps Labour defend it's decisions on anti-Semitism, where they are right to try to separate deliberate hate speech and prejudice from unconscious bias in a complex debate, the latter requiring discussion and education rather than recriminations.
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Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:And it is an "overreaction" because?

(are people saying this aware of everything Phillips has said and done)
I don't know if it's an overraction, I was just saying if it's an overreaction Labour is just digging themselves deeper and deeper into the pit of prescribed purity of thought.

FWIW I do think Labour's reaction to gender critical members has definitely been an overreaction.

And none of this helps Labour defend it's decisions on anti-Semitism, where they are right to try to separate deliberate hate speech and prejudice from unconscious bias in a complex debate, the latter requiring discussion and education rather than recriminations.
Willow -- agreed on Labour digging itself ever deeper into a great hole !

It began with their acquiescence over many of those accusations of AS which nearly all of the rest of us, average citizens, would have classed as stretching 'TROPES' to breaking-point, and I, and I suspect many more would have told the BoD and the JLM to get a fucking life .

Seeing supposedly adult politicians running scared of any lobby , in this case the current Israeli gov & UK 'friends' , is a sobering sight . I was hoping Emily Thornberry would not fold, but eventually she did. Not much time for Burgon, but I don't think he did ?
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