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ErnstRemarx wrote:Incidentally, I haven't said anything to anyone here for fear of putting the kiss of death on my chances, but I've been to a couple of job interviews just recently (well, a first and second ones for the same post), and I've just had a phone call from the agency (Hays) to tell me I've got it, and can I start a week on Monday?

You fucking bet I can!
:clap: That's brilliant news Ernst - congratulations. Hope it's a goodun - and have a pint on me to celebrate.
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''Quiz: Who said it, Liberal Democrats or the Monster Raving Loony Party?''
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... Party.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Thanks for the congrats - just off to my local to have a quiet celebratory beer!
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Why is Michael Gove inviting himself to civil service meetings?
The business view on what the Tory chief whip hopes to achieve, and what might happen instead

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... e-meetings
I dread to think why ... and will now read the article with some trepidation.

Apparently his wife has today told the world (via the Sun) that he puts teabags down the loo .... I wonder why he does that too.

Editing to add: I've read it now. He will deserve all the Yes Minister type payback he gets, in my book.

And the photo at the top of the article has Gove in full glee mode - a face you just wish is about to receive the full force of a rake or hoe or other hard object he steps on.
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This is a good resource. Sorry if it's already been shared here

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/w ... xyWPkoy5Sx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Why is Michael Gove inviting himself to civil service meetings?
The business view on what the Tory chief whip hopes to achieve, and what might happen instead

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... e-meetings
I dread to think why ... and will now read the article with some trepidation.

Apparently his wife has today told the world (via the Sun) that he puts teabags down the loo .... I wonder why he does that too.
Just looked that up and found ''TOP TORY Michael Gove puts tea bags down the loo and scratches his "nether regions" :roll: when reading the morning papers''.
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danesclose wrote:
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The aide said that if Labour bases its mansion tax on Mr Osborne's scheme, the home would face an annual levy of £15,400, costing a total of £308,000 if deferred for 20 years.
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Incidentally, I haven't said anything to anyone here for fear of putting the kiss of death on my chances, but I've been to a couple of job interviews just recently (well, a first and second ones for the same post), and I've just had a phone call from the agency (Hays) to tell me I've got it, and can I start a week on Monday?

You fucking bet I can!
Well done! Enjoy the job :clap: :rock:
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:"BeverleyCracknell" seems to have stopped posting after just a few hours.

We now have someone called "NogginPunish" with a remarkably similar writing style :lol:
That occurred to me too when I realised that it had only signed up today.
That is actually an anagram isn't it?
Well spotted :)

One notes, btw, that "Beverley's" last posts were sarcastically "praising" Beta - says all you need to know about the Guardian mods?
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Incidentally, I haven't said anything to anyone here for fear of putting the kiss of death on my chances, but I've been to a couple of job interviews just recently (well, a first and second ones for the same post), and I've just had a phone call from the agency (Hays) to tell me I've got it, and can I start a week on Monday?

You fucking bet I can!

Good on you! Congrats. I'll be starting a new job next month, for Cameron's favourite organisation, the Welsh NHS!
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yahyah wrote:''Quiz: Who said it, Liberal Democrats or the Monster Raving Loony Party?''
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... Party.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I only scored 64% for this, not sure if that's good or bad!
I only scored 45%. My theory was to ascribe sensible ideas to MRLP on the historic fact (I think) that they had had more of their manifesto policies eventually make it into law than any other political party.
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Just had an almighty rainstorm here in South Yorkshire. Heaviest rain I've ever seen. In the space of 15 minutes roads were starting to flood all over the place, fountains of water shoot out of the manhole covers and drainpipes bursting under the pressure and shooting streams of water in every direction.

I'm so glad I chose on a whim to get a taxi home rather than wait for my usual bus. :D
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:Incidentally, I haven't said anything to anyone here for fear of putting the kiss of death on my chances, but I've been to a couple of job interviews just recently (well, a first and second ones for the same post), and I've just had a phone call from the agency (Hays) to tell me I've got it, and can I start a week on Monday?

You fucking bet I can!

Good on you! Congrats. I'll be starting a new job next month, for Cameron's favourite organisation, the Welsh NHS!
That's brilliant news lets skip. Hope it's all you wanted ;-)
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yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Why is Michael Gove inviting himself to civil service meetings?
The business view on what the Tory chief whip hopes to achieve, and what might happen instead

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... e-meetings
I dread to think why ... and will now read the article with some trepidation.

Apparently his wife has today told the world (via the Sun) that he puts teabags down the loo .... I wonder why he does that too.
Just looked that up and found ''TOP TORY Michael Gove puts tea bags down the loo and scratches his "nether regions" :roll: when reading the morning papers''.
I suppose if you had chosen to marry Gove - you might well be someone who uses the term 'nether regions'. Can't imagine they would be plebeian enough to say 'goolies' or 'arse' - can you? (That's not you as in 'you' yahyah - it's you as in someone daft enough ..)
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:Incidentally, I haven't said anything to anyone here for fear of putting the kiss of death on my chances, but I've been to a couple of job interviews just recently (well, a first and second ones for the same post), and I've just had a phone call from the agency (Hays) to tell me I've got it, and can I start a week on Monday?

You fucking bet I can!

Good on you! Congrats. I'll be starting a new job next month, for Cameron's favourite organisation, the Welsh NHS!
That's brilliant news lets skip. Hope it's all you wanted ;-)
Yep, it is, be good to start now, ta Paul.
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:Incidentally, I haven't said anything to anyone here for fear of putting the kiss of death on my chances, but I've been to a couple of job interviews just recently (well, a first and second ones for the same post), and I've just had a phone call from the agency (Hays) to tell me I've got it, and can I start a week on Monday?

You fucking bet I can!

Good on you! Congrats. I'll be starting a new job next month, for Cameron's favourite organisation, the Welsh NHS!
Well done letsskip. Hope you are made very welcome by and feel right at home in the bosom of our finest socialist shithole institution.
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Eddie Mair at it again ............ with Danny Alexander this time. Caused me to splutter my tea already. Very funny.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Why is Michael Gove inviting himself to civil service meetings?
The business view on what the Tory chief whip hopes to achieve, and what might happen instead

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... e-meetings
I dread to think why ... and will now read the article with some trepidation.

Apparently his wife has today told the world (via the Sun) that he puts teabags down the loo .... I wonder why he does that too.

Editing to add: I've read it now. He will deserve all the Yes Minister type payback he gets, in my book.

And the photo at the top of the article has Gove in full glee mode - a face you just wish is about to receive the full force of a rake or hoe or other hard object he steps on.
And putting tea bags down the loo won't go down well with the company that does the sewers. What an idiot...Tea bags are made to withstand water so they'll not degrade. They need to send him a letter!

And I assume he flushes every time he puts one down there. So wasting water too.
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Are we all sitting comfortable, waiting for the musical event of the year as PM (Radio not OGRFG) prepare to premiere their own musical piece featuring James Naughtie and Robert Peston singing (amongst others whose names I have temporarily forgotten) ? If not, you can get it later on BBC iPlayerRadio
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ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Why is Michael Gove inviting himself to civil service meetings?
The business view on what the Tory chief whip hopes to achieve, and what might happen instead

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... e-meetings
I dread to think why ... and will now read the article with some trepidation.

Apparently his wife has today told the world (via the Sun) that he puts teabags down the loo .... I wonder why he does that too.

Editing to add: I've read it now. He will deserve all the Yes Minister type payback he gets, in my book.

And the photo at the top of the article has Gove in full glee mode - a face you just wish is about to receive the full force of a rake or hoe or other hard object he steps on.
And putting tea bags down the loo won't go down well with the company that does the sewers. What an idiot...Tea bags are made to withstand water so they'll not degrade. They need to send him a letter!

And I assume he flushes every time he puts one down there. So wasting water too.

He wouldn't do it if he had a septic tank and had to unblock the pipes himself.
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Someone pointing out that Alexander one minute was saying that Labour can't be trusted and the next saying they could consider Coalition with them.

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LadyCentauria wrote:Are we all sitting comfortable, waiting for the musical event of the year as PM (Radio not OGRFG) prepare to premiere their own musical piece featuring James Naughtie and Robert Peston singing (amongst others whose names I have temporarily forgotten) ? If not, you can get it later on BBC iPlayerRadio
Rather enjoyed it. Especially Peston (I presume) and his rushed flourish at the end!
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LadyCentauria wrote:Are we all sitting comfortable, waiting for the musical event of the year as PM (Radio not OGRFG) prepare to premiere their own musical piece featuring James Naughtie and Robert Peston singing (amongst others whose names I have temporarily forgotten) ? If not, you can get it later on BBC iPlayerRadio
Not sure I'm going to thank you for that one Lady C ;-)
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yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: I dread to think why ... and will now read the article with some trepidation.

Apparently his wife has today told the world (via the Sun) that he puts teabags down the loo .... I wonder why he does that too.

Editing to add: I've read it now. He will deserve all the Yes Minister type payback he gets, in my book.

And the photo at the top of the article has Gove in full glee mode - a face you just wish is about to receive the full force of a rake or hoe or other hard object he steps on.
And putting tea bags down the loo won't go down well with the company that does the sewers. What an idiot...Tea bags are made to withstand water so they'll not degrade. They need to send him a letter!

And I assume he flushes every time he puts one down there. So wasting water too.

He wouldn't do it if he had a septic tank and had to unblock the pipes himself.
No he bloody wouldn't.
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Incidentally, I haven't said anything to anyone here for fear of putting the kiss of death on my chances, but I've been to a couple of job interviews just recently (well, a first and second ones for the same post), and I've just had a phone call from the agency (Hays) to tell me I've got it, and can I start a week on Monday?

You fucking bet I can!
Yay! Well done you :clap:
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: And putting tea bags down the loo won't go down well with the company that does the sewers. What an idiot...Tea bags are made to withstand water so they'll not degrade. They need to send him a letter!

And I assume he flushes every time he puts one down there. So wasting water too.

He wouldn't do it if he had a septic tank and had to unblock the pipes himself.
No he bloody wouldn't.
Perhaps he should be sent on a fact-finding-mission down the sewers...
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What is he thinking :lol:
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Spacedone wrote:Just had an almighty rainstorm here in South Yorkshire. Heaviest rain I've ever seen. In the space of 15 minutes roads were starting to flood all over the place, fountains of water shoot out of the manhole covers and drainpipes bursting under the pressure and shooting streams of water in every direction.

I'm so glad I chose on a whim to get a taxi home rather than wait for my usual bus. :D
Glad you got home safe and dry Spacedone. We've had quite a day of 'weather' here as well. I managed to choose one of those instantaneous downpour interludes to take the dogs for a walk on the beach ................. all three of us absolutely drenched even with raincoats on. Then they stank the car out - and misted up all the car windows.

We got back and within 5 minutes the sun broke through. Grrrrrh.
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@RR2 and @PfY: Mair said they were about to tweet it out so, if you tweet, you can share the pleasure with all your friends and followers. It tickled me :)

P.S. Sorry Paul :wink:
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LadyCentauria wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
yahyah wrote:
He wouldn't do it if he had a septic tank and had to unblock the pipes himself.
No he bloody wouldn't.
Perhaps he should be sent on a fact-finding-mission down the sewers...

Only if I can superglue all the manhole covers on after he's gone down.
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yahyah wrote:Image

What is he thinking :lol:
I think we all know ... and wish we didn't.

Wouldn't it be refreshing if he was thinking - I wish I had a pair of shoes like that, I must see if I can get myself a pair?
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Good on you! Congrats. I'll be starting a new job next month, for Cameron's favourite organisation, the Welsh NHS!
That's brilliant news lets skip. Hope it's all you wanted ;-)
Yep, it is, be good to start now, ta Paul.
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yahyah wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: No he bloody wouldn't.
Perhaps he should be sent on a fact-finding-mission down the sewers...

Only if I can superglue all the manhole covers on after he's gone down.
I think the sewage-workers will quite happily do that for you! :rofl:
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im Montgomerie ‏@TimMontgomerie 13m13 minutes ago
Just leaving Glasgow. Highlight was again meeting folk from Easterhouse estate (who showed IDS the poverty that sadly still persists today).
Brass neck doesn't begin to cover that ...
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Wisbech: the end of the road for migrant workers
Most of Wisbech’s 10,000 migrant workers have travelled from eastern Europe with dreams of earning a better living – but many find themselves housed in squalid conditions, exploited by corrupt gangmasters

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ern-europe
This is a pretty distressing read. And it shows many of the practices and issues that need to be dealt with re immigration and work. I've never understood why the 'gangmaster' system is generally portrayed as OK, the acceptable and legitimate way of recruiting and managing immigrant workers - it seems despicable to me.
Local politicians are angry with the factories for outsourcing recruitment to agencies, enabling them to turn a blind eye to abuses. Virginia Bucknor, an independent town and district councillor, representing the deprived Waterlees ward, says: “They are taken advantage of quite appallingly. A lot of agencies are employed by these factories, which are international organisations; when they employ agency workers, the agency pays the employees. Why does the factory decide to employ via the agency? It’s so they can say: any issue, not my problem. I’ve seen employees from eastern Europe receive £7, after deductions, after doing a full week’s work. Deductions are made for transport from eastern Europe, for housing, which is often in an HMO, sometimes bed-sharing, over the shifts.

“My concern is that companies absolve themselves from responsibility because they are taking them on via agencies.”

Earlier this year a local gangmaster was prosecuted for destroying payslips to allow him to underpay his workers.
This has got to be challenged and changed somehow. Could a factory / producer be made responsible for ensuring the proper wage and conditions are in place even if employing through an agency? Something has to be done to shame them into acting responsibly.
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Anyone else feeling nervous about the by elections tomorrow ?

Much as putting trouble Cameron's way would be good, having a UKIP MP would set an awful precedent.

Am just reading CJ Sansom's Dominion, a 'what if' thriller set in 1950's Britain after a pact was made with Hitler.

His heartfelt writing about the perils of nationalism in his notes at the end of the book seemed prescient written a couple of years ago.
Sansom has a particular dislike of Salmond and the SNP but if he was writing it now no doubt UKIP would take up his attention.
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It's awful

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Evenin' all

Firstly, can I say well done to the two amongst us who have new jobs - if they are as as effective, intelligent and empathetic as on here I am sure they will make a great success of them....

Secondly, I felt it was time to come clean on my current situation. I can do this as I have found a 'political' home with interesting and good 'friends'

I am no longer a UK resident, I have lived in Switzerland (boo hiss!) for a few years now. Before you ask; no I am not a banker - I work on a manufacturing site (albeit situated at the foot of the Alps) doing a similar job to that which I did on two UK sites. So then, you can fairly ask, why do I post about British politics?

I think my perspective have changed since I moved. I am still committed to seeing the UK do the right thing and show its potential to the world - in many ways it has so much to offer and I hate to see it underselling itself as a pseudo-USA. I also intend to retire back to the UK; no matter how many years I live here it will not be 'home'. i am not an ex-Pat. I speak French, I work on a Francophone site, I am integrated but I understand what it is to be, what I am in the end, an economic migrant!

I have family back in the UK and I also know what I believe in. Funnily I cannot vote in Switzerland but can in the UK (Huddersfield and for the next 7 years!!!) - although I don't. I also travel back often enough,to my home town in the West Midlands, often enough to see the effect of Tory governmnt on my area, of which I am immensely proud (and also some years of Labour as well)

I will continue to post here and I wanted everyone to have some context to my posts. Also, Switzerland is a complex society; on one hand the country of tax efficient corporations, on the other one where my commune of 900 people has a council of 50 people and virtually all services are devolved to the communal or, at most, cantonal level
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Re: lefty comedians. The best and certainly the most acerbic of the ones I've seen has to be Stewart Lee. If you haven't heard it, his riff on Paul Nuttall of the UKIPs is excellent "bloody Beaker People, comin' over 'ere, with their bloody beakers! What's wrong with cuppin' your 'ands to drink water out of?".
I do quite like Stewart Lee but there is always that itchy feeling that he is trying just that little bit too hard to be clever!

My favourite lefty comedian is the younger of the two Marks, Mr Thomas (although Mr Steel never disappoints with his Indy columns); Mark Thomas can make you laugh until you hurt ...... and then stop you dead in your tracks with a real "wtaf" moment! To make people laugh AND genuinely make a difference is a pretty unique gift.

And congrats to you and LetsSkip on the job news! :clap:
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yahyah wrote:Anyone else feeling nervous about the by elections tomorrow ?

Much as putting trouble Cameron's way would be good, having a UKIP MP would set an awful precedent.

Am just reading CJ Sansom's Dominion, a 'what if' thriller set in 1950's Britain after a pact was made with Hitler.

His heartfelt writing about the perils of nationalism in his notes at the end of the book seemed prescient written a couple of years ago.
Sansom has a particular dislike of Salmond and the SNP but if he was writing it now no doubt UKIP would take up his attention.
Not sure I'm "nervous" because it looks almost certain there will be a UKIP MP in Clacton judging by the bookies. And almost as certain there will be a new Labour one in Heywood & Middleton.

But yes none of us should be pleased about a UKIP MP. Quite a plausible one too. He's a good catch for Farage.
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howsillyofme1 wrote:Evenin' all

Firstly, can I say well done to the two amongst us who have new jobs - if they are as as effective, intelligent and empathetic as on here I am sure they will make a great success of them....

Secondly, I felt it was time to come clean on my current situation. I can do this as I have found a 'political' home with interesting and good 'friends'

I am no longer a UK resident, I have lived in Switzerland (boo hiss!) for a few years now. Before you ask; no I am not a banker - I work on a manufacturing site (albeit situated at the foot of the Alps) doing a similar job to that which I did on two UK sites. So then, you can fairly ask, why do I post about British politics?

I think my perspective have changed since I moved. I am still committed to seeing the UK do the right thing and show its potential to the world - in many ways it has so much to offer and I hate to see it underselling itself as a pseudo-USA. I also intend to retire back to the UK; no matter how many years I live here it will not be 'home'. i am not an ex-Pat. I speak French, I work on a Francophone site, I am integrated but I understand what it is to be, what I am in the end, an economic migrant!

I have family back in the UK and I also know what I believe in. Funnily I cannot vote in Switzerland but can in the UK (Huddersfield and for the next 7 years!!!) - although I don't. I also travel back often enough,to my home town in the West Midlands, often enough to see the effect of Tory governmnt on my area, of which I am immensely proud (and also some years of Labour as well)

I will continue to post here and I wanted everyone to have some context to my posts. Also, Switzerland is a complex society; on one hand the country of tax efficient corporations, on the other one where my commune of 900 people has a council of 50 people and virtually all services are devolved to the communal or, at most, cantonal level
Thanks for that - very interesting and honest. We will still love you and listen to you. Be interesting to hear about some of the decision making processes and procedures in Switzerland ... what with our own renewed zeal for devolution to communities (bet that's a long time coming, mind).
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Re: Wednesday 8th October 2014

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rebeccariots2 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Evenin' all

Firstly, can I say well done to the two amongst us who have new jobs - if they are as as effective, intelligent and empathetic as on here I am sure they will make a great success of them....

Secondly, I felt it was time to come clean on my current situation. I can do this as I have found a 'political' home with interesting and good 'friends'

I am no longer a UK resident, I have lived in Switzerland (boo hiss!) for a few years now. Before you ask; no I am not a banker - I work on a manufacturing site (albeit situated at the foot of the Alps) doing a similar job to that which I did on two UK sites. So then, you can fairly ask, why do I post about British politics?

I think my perspective have changed since I moved. I am still committed to seeing the UK do the right thing and show its potential to the world - in many ways it has so much to offer and I hate to see it underselling itself as a pseudo-USA. I also intend to retire back to the UK; no matter how many years I live here it will not be 'home'. i am not an ex-Pat. I speak French, I work on a Francophone site, I am integrated but I understand what it is to be, what I am in the end, an economic migrant!

I have family back in the UK and I also know what I believe in. Funnily I cannot vote in Switzerland but can in the UK (Huddersfield and for the next 7 years!!!) - although I don't. I also travel back often enough,to my home town in the West Midlands, often enough to see the effect of Tory governmnt on my area, of which I am immensely proud (and also some years of Labour as well)

I will continue to post here and I wanted everyone to have some context to my posts. Also, Switzerland is a complex society; on one hand the country of tax efficient corporations, on the other one where my commune of 900 people has a council of 50 people and virtually all services are devolved to the communal or, at most, cantonal level
Thanks for that - very interesting and honest. We will still love you and listen to you. Be interesting to hear about some of the decision making processes and procedures in Switzerland ... what with our own renewed zeal for devolution to communities (bet that's a long time coming, mind).
Thank you for your kind words :clap:
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
yahyah wrote:Anyone else feeling nervous about the by elections tomorrow ?

Much as putting trouble Cameron's way would be good, having a UKIP MP would set an awful precedent.

Am just reading CJ Sansom's Dominion, a 'what if' thriller set in 1950's Britain after a pact was made with Hitler.

His heartfelt writing about the perils of nationalism in his notes at the end of the book seemed prescient written a couple of years ago.
Sansom has a particular dislike of Salmond and the SNP but if he was writing it now no doubt UKIP would take up his attention.
Not sure I'm "nervous" because it looks almost certain there will be a UKIP MP in Clacton judging by the bookies. And almost as certain there will be a new Labour one in Heywood & Middleton.

But yes none of us should be pleased about a UKIP MP. Quite a plausible one too. He's a good catch for Farage.
I suppose we can just tell ourselves it's the same person ... cos it is ... it's really just the tie and perfume / smelly changing.
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howsillyofme1 wrote:Evenin' all

Firstly, can I say well done to the two amongst us who have new jobs - if they are as as effective, intelligent and empathetic as on here I am sure they will make a great success of them....

Secondly, I felt it was time to come clean on my current situation. I can do this as I have found a 'political' home with interesting and good 'friends'

I am no longer a UK resident, I have lived in Switzerland (boo hiss!) for a few years now. Before you ask; no I am not a banker - I work on a manufacturing site (albeit situated at the foot of the Alps) doing a similar job to that which I did on two UK sites. So then, you can fairly ask, why do I post about British politics?

I think my perspective have changed since I moved. I am still committed to seeing the UK do the right thing and show its potential to the world - in many ways it has so much to offer and I hate to see it underselling itself as a pseudo-USA. I also intend to retire back to the UK; no matter how many years I live here it will not be 'home'. i am not an ex-Pat. I speak French, I work on a Francophone site, I am integrated but I understand what it is to be, what I am in the end, an economic migrant!

I have family back in the UK and I also know what I believe in. Funnily I cannot vote in Switzerland but can in the UK (Huddersfield and for the next 7 years!!!) - although I don't. I also travel back often enough,to my home town in the West Midlands, often enough to see the effect of Tory governmnt on my area, of which I am immensely proud (and also some years of Labour as well)

I will continue to post here and I wanted everyone to have some context to my posts. Also, Switzerland is a complex society; on one hand the country of tax efficient corporations, on the other one where my commune of 900 people has a council of 50 people and virtually all services are devolved to the communal or, at most, cantonal level
A Huddersfield connection. That's where I'm from if you didn't know? And from the info given I've a good idea where you must work ;-)
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
yahyah wrote:Anyone else feeling nervous about the by elections tomorrow ?

Much as putting trouble Cameron's way would be good, having a UKIP MP would set an awful precedent.

Am just reading CJ Sansom's Dominion, a 'what if' thriller set in 1950's Britain after a pact was made with Hitler.

His heartfelt writing about the perils of nationalism in his notes at the end of the book seemed prescient written a couple of years ago.
Sansom has a particular dislike of Salmond and the SNP but if he was writing it now no doubt UKIP would take up his attention.
Not sure I'm "nervous" because it looks almost certain there will be a UKIP MP in Clacton judging by the bookies. And almost as certain there will be a new Labour one in Heywood & Middleton.

But yes none of us should be pleased about a UKIP MP. Quite a plausible one too. He's a good catch for Farage.
I suppose we can just tell ourselves it's the same person ... cos it is ... it's really just the tie and perfume / smelly changing.
Hmm. Thing is he was never really going to have that much influence in the Tories, but now we'll never stop hearing from him :roll:

On which, unbelievably there was a Kipper on Twitter moaning that the Lib Dems were getting too much exposure on the BBC. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:Re: lefty comedians. The best and certainly the most acerbic of the ones I've seen has to be Stewart Lee. If you haven't heard it, his riff on Paul Nuttall of the UKIPs is excellent "bloody Beaker People, comin' over 'ere, with their bloody beakers! What's wrong with cuppin' your 'ands to drink water out of?".
I do quite like Stewart Lee but there is always that itchy feeling that he is trying just that little bit too hard to be clever!

My favourite lefty comedian is the younger of the two Marks, Mr Thomas (although Mr Steel never disappoints with his Indy columns); Mark Thomas can make you laugh until you hurt ...... and then stop you dead in your tracks with a real "wtaf" moment! To make people laugh AND genuinely make a difference is a pretty unique gift.

And congrats to you and LetsSkip on the job news! :clap:
Hi Grimmers, my take on Stewart Lee is that he's unrelenting - a little like a cyborg - and won't stop until he's made the point. On his way there, I find his absurdist humour and flights of imagination so compelling that I'm simply spellbound. The UKIP riff is utterly brilliant because it's so absurd, "bloody amphibians crawling out the sea onto our land to evolve into homo sapiens...bastards" (or similar). It punctures UKIP's bubble, and anyone who gives those fuckers a kicking is sound in my book.

Mark Thomas, is, as you say sublimely funny, and the People's Manifesto is worth the admission price.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Not sure I'm "nervous" because it looks almost certain there will be a UKIP MP in Clacton judging by the bookies. And almost as certain there will be a new Labour one in Heywood & Middleton.

But yes none of us should be pleased about a UKIP MP. Quite a plausible one too. He's a good catch for Farage.
I suppose we can just tell ourselves it's the same person ... cos it is ... it's really just the tie and perfume / smelly changing.
Hmm. Thing is he was never really going to have that much influence in the Tories, but now we'll never stop hearing from him :roll:

On which, unbelievably there was a Kipper on Twitter moaning that the Lib Dems were getting too much exposure on the BBC. :roll: :roll: :roll:
If you saw the photo of Carswell on motorbike (his?) put out earlier today .... it should have reassured you that he is going to continue being a prize twat .... nothing can change that .... he might just be an even bigger one. Just what UKIP needs.
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@Ernst & @ Letsskip - congrats on the jobs, both of you.

@Howsillyofme - having the point of view of someone in another political/social situation/country could be very interesting.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Evenin' all

Firstly, can I say well done to the two amongst us who have new jobs - if they are as as effective, intelligent and empathetic as on here I am sure they will make a great success of them....

Secondly, I felt it was time to come clean on my current situation. I can do this as I have found a 'political' home with interesting and good 'friends'

I am no longer a UK resident, I have lived in Switzerland (boo hiss!) for a few years now. Before you ask; no I am not a banker - I work on a manufacturing site (albeit situated at the foot of the Alps) doing a similar job to that which I did on two UK sites. So then, you can fairly ask, why do I post about British politics?

I think my perspective have changed since I moved. I am still committed to seeing the UK do the right thing and show its potential to the world - in many ways it has so much to offer and I hate to see it underselling itself as a pseudo-USA. I also intend to retire back to the UK; no matter how many years I live here it will not be 'home'. i am not an ex-Pat. I speak French, I work on a Francophone site, I am integrated but I understand what it is to be, what I am in the end, an economic migrant!

I have family back in the UK and I also know what I believe in. Funnily I cannot vote in Switzerland but can in the UK (Huddersfield and for the next 7 years!!!) - although I don't. I also travel back often enough,to my home town in the West Midlands, often enough to see the effect of Tory governmnt on my area, of which I am immensely proud (and also some years of Labour as well)

I will continue to post here and I wanted everyone to have some context to my posts. Also, Switzerland is a complex society; on one hand the country of tax efficient corporations, on the other one where my commune of 900 people has a council of 50 people and virtually all services are devolved to the communal or, at most, cantonal level
Thanks for that - very interesting and honest. We will still love you and listen to you. Be interesting to hear about some of the decision making processes and procedures in Switzerland ... what with our own renewed zeal for devolution to communities (bet that's a long time coming, mind).
To answer your question on decision making...it is complex and also requires huge amounts of political maturity; this is not always evident

For example, in our commune we had a referendum on an underground carpark which would have cost millions - very hot debate and against what the council wanted.....on the other hand there was the 'freedom of movement' vote earlier in the year where they made some mistakes and were naïve to take on the EU like that

I worry that the referendum system is vulnerable to a growing lack of interest in political discussion and will lead to more politically naïve - even extremist decisions. Luckily the Government can delay things a bit to try and find a compromise - and compromise is a way of life in this country.
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