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Good morning. The weather is nice here, anyway.

Useful round-up thread with links to others.

https://twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status ... 3686339584

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First larf of the day, pol liveblog 09.20* : " It must be serious because No 10 let Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, give an interview to the Today programme this morning."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/16/boris-johnson-press-conference-coronavirus-live-firms-could-soon-be-allowed-to-run-reduced-services-because-of-coronavirus-shapps-suggests-politics-live
Tying yourself up in miles of bloody contracts is another of the disadvantages of privatisation/sub-contracting. Leads to lawyers making fortunes when anything goes slightly adrift.
A publicly-owned system is simple. Obvious decisions on running fewer trains can be made in a few minutes.

* Mention of Grant Martyn Green Shapps tends to make me laugh at any rate .


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Well, after last night Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee barring some total "black swan" event.

I hope it goes well, but I fear the worst.


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Some of my family members in the US got the virus, became very ill and most have recovered. Mother hasn't been tested for it, to my knowledge. She suffers from emphysema and had been in the hospital recently with pneumonia. She's recovering at home. She's got 24-hour home care. She's lovely company with others' families.


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Well, after last night Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee barring some total "black swan" event.

I hope it goes well, but I fear the worst.
Maybe a deal was struck amongst powerful people agreeing Trump can fall and a Democrat win the US presidency if Sanders is out and a bland Biden in.


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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-britain-marches-to-the-sound-of-a-different-drum-1.4203718

Plenty of laughs to be had still. Laughs AT many of our 'leaders' , and the flocks at the Races :D


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I'm doing what I can keeping hope alive.
Gilsey's right; it's a gorgeous day.


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It's rather crap the strength and resilience of youth diminishes with age when it's needed the most.


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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-britain-marches-to-the-sound-of-a-different-drum-1.4203718

Plenty of laughs to be had still. Laughs AT many of our 'leaders' , and the flocks at the Races :D
When UK peoples laugh at and despise Tory leadership, it'll bring it down. May it happen soon.


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Well, after last night Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee barring some total "black swan" event.

I hope it goes well, but I fear the worst.
Maybe a deal was struck amongst powerful people agreeing Trump can fall and a Democrat win the US presidency if Sanders is out and a bland Biden in.


It may yet be that the fallout from this crisis does for Trump anyway......


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I figured that into the scene of backdoor negotiations


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Peston unhappy at being widely seen as a government (if not Cummings) stooge.

My advice there is don't behave like one, then.


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PorFavor makes another sublime entrance into the virtual lair.


Searching in vain for dumplings.

(It wasn't that kind of stew - it was a layered hotpot thing. I will make that kind of stew, with dumplings, next weekend, I think.)

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Searching in vain for dumplings.

(It wasn't that kind of stew - it was a layered hotpot thing. I will make that kind of stew, with dumplings, next weekend, I think.)

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Good morfternoon.

The Government will no longer support mass gatherings. Run that one past me again . . .

Time to commandeer Private Hospitals and their facilities.


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Good day to bury bad news? The Department of Transport refuses to publish its internal report into London's Garden Bridge scandal which cost taxpayers £46 million. Its reason: it would prejudice the commercial interests of the Garden Bridge Trust - in liquidation since April!


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The Government will no longer support mass gatherings. Run that one past me again . . .

Time to commandeer Private Hospitals and their facilities.
I thought you'd never ask... :clap:


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Johnson valiantly protecting the lives of elderly peers and MPs


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Gareth Bentham, a joint pub landlord in Altrincham, said Boris Johnson’s decision to urge people to avoid pubs means he and thousands of other landlords won’t be able to claim for the coronavirus outbreak on business interruption insurance


I suspect it's not a coincidence that donations to the Tory party from insurance companies have grown significantly since Cameron became leader. They certainly aren't the party of the small business owner any more, that's for sure.

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The head of the World Health Organizaion, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has implored governments to test more suspected cases, warning that they cannot fight the pandemic blindfolded.

...[H]e said: “We have not seen an urgent enough escalation in testing, isolation and contact tracing, which is the backbone of the response. The most effective way to prevent infections and save lives is breaking the chains of transmission. And to do that, you must test and isolate. You cannot fight the fire blindfolded. And we cannot stop this pandemic, if we don’t know who is infected. We have a simple message for all countries Test, test, test. Test every suspected case."

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Gareth Bentham, a joint pub landlord in Altrincham, said Boris Johnson’s decision to urge people to avoid pubs means he and thousands of other landlords won’t be able to claim for the coronavirus outbreak on business interruption insurance


I suspect it's not a coincidence that donations to the Tory party from insurance companies have grown significantly since Cameron became leader. They certainly aren't the party of the small business owner any more, that's for sure.

My neighbour, who runs an escape room, has just said the same thing. The wording has completely buggered him.


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Also from the G liveblog:

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According to SAGE [the scientific advisory group for emergencies] it looks as though we’re now approaching the fast growth part of the upward curve. And without drastic action, cases could double every five or six days.


According to the data in the link here, UK cases are currently doubling every 3 days, so we actually need to slow it down to get to every 5 or 6 days. Or am I missing something? (You'll need to scroll down a bit to find the numbers).

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

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Mr citizen brought home imperfectly bundled own brand toilet rolls with "recycled" on the label. Good psychological marketing strategy ensuring the likelihood of everyone having enough toilet paper, I thought.


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Gareth Bentham, a joint pub landlord in Altrincham, said Boris Johnson’s decision to urge people to avoid pubs means he and thousands of other landlords won’t be able to claim for the coronavirus outbreak on business interruption insurance
I suspect it's not a coincidence that donations to the Tory party from insurance companies have grown significantly since Cameron became leader. They certainly aren't the party of the small business owner any more, that's for sure.
This is what makes me so frightened of Johnson and his government. Deliberately malicious planning.


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Johnson valiantly protecting the lives of elderly peers and MPs


Jeremy Corbyn is 71 this year.


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Johnson valiantly protecting the lives of elderly peers and MPs

Jeremy Corbyn is 71 this year.
As an aside, not only is it likely Corbyn will live longer than Johnson, I think he'll outlive him too.


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Massive problem for restaurants, pubs, entertainment industries. Government says don't go, but has not enforced closure, meaning none of them can claim insurance.

One event organiser tells me: "If they don't enforce any closures then pretty much the whole arts will go bust."
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Mr citizen brought home imperfectly bundled own brand toilet rolls with "recycled" on the label. Good psychological marketing strategy ensuring the likelihood of everyone having enough toilet paper, I thought.
I'm entirely satisfied. Nothing wrong with them.


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LAYERED HOTPOT?

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I am turning into an old get. At least that’s how I flatter myself - others might say I already did that a while back.

Sky’s OMD track last night brought back to mind my days working on the record counter at Boots the Chemist on Market Street (Manchester). Someone wanted “Alone again” but didn’t know who by. With a certain degree of creatitivity I managed to work with them till we worked out it was “Enola Gay”.

This was a while ago.

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(When everyone who was anyone - or indeed no-one - met in the Virgin record store ‘at the back of’ Piccadilly.)

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Is a layered hotpot a cross between a hotpot and a ....

.... lasagne?


The mystery deepens.

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Confession: purchased an extra bottle of Noilly Prat - just in case.

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On-nomi - virtual parties/online drinking - I’ll bring the vermouth.

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Free ventilator blueprints now included in every box of Kelloggs cornflakes.

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Confession: purchased an extra bottle of Noilly Prat - just in case.

Not YET a shelf-emptier.

Stand "At ease" TC !


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Free ventilator blueprints now included in every box of Kelloggs cornflakes.

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To even get close to surviving at several people in a small space, you need a lot of window-opening, mask-wearing, and much soapy cleaning of contact surfaces , and LUCK !


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Nice burgundy le creuset pan that used to belong to my Aunt.
Onions cooked with garlic, fresh rosemary and dried oregano
Slices of potato
Diced lamb
Chopped lamb's liver
More of the onions
Cover everything in lamb stock
More of the potato
Lid on, low oven, four hours. Lid off for the last half hour.

If I did it again I'd brown the meat in some flour to thicken the stock over the cooking time.

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Nice burgundy le creuset pan that used to belong to my Aunt.
Onions cooked with garlic, fresh rosemary and dried oregano
Slices of potato
Diced lamb
Chopped lamb's liver
More of the onions
Cover everything in lamb stock
More of the potato
Lid on, low oven, four hours. Lid off for the last half hour.

If I did it again I'd brown the meat in some flour to thicken the stock over the cooking time.

I WAS going to object , but yes it's really quite simple !

No oven, but my woodstove can be made very hot !


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