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Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 6:52 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 10:19 am
by gilsey
Good morning. The weather is nice here, anyway.

Useful round-up thread with links to others.

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Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 10:26 am
by frog222
First larf of the day, pol liveblog 09.20* : " It must be serious because No 10 let Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, give an interview to the Today programme this morning."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... itics-live
Tying yourself up in miles of bloody contracts is another of the disadvantages of privatisation/sub-contracting. Leads to lawyers making fortunes when anything goes slightly adrift.
A publicly-owned system is simple. Obvious decisions on running fewer trains can be made in a few minutes.

* Mention of Grant Martyn Green Shapps tends to make me laugh at any rate .

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:06 am
by citizenJA
Good morning, everyone.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:17 am
by AnatolyKasparov
Well, after last night Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee barring some total "black swan" event.

I hope it goes well, but I fear the worst.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:28 am
by citizenJA
Some of my family members in the US got the virus, became very ill and most have recovered. Mother hasn't been tested for it, to my knowledge. She suffers from emphysema and had been in the hospital recently with pneumonia. She's recovering at home. She's got 24-hour home care. She's lovely company with others' families.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:35 am
by citizenJA
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, after last night Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee barring some total "black swan" event.

I hope it goes well, but I fear the worst.
Maybe a deal was struck amongst powerful people agreeing Trump can fall and a Democrat win the US presidency if Sanders is out and a bland Biden in.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:36 am
by frog222
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.4203718

Plenty of laughs to be had still. Laughs AT many of our 'leaders' , and the flocks at the Races :D

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:37 am
by citizenJA
I'm doing what I can keeping hope alive.
Gilsey's right; it's a gorgeous day.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:41 am
by citizenJA
It's rather crap the strength and resilience of youth diminishes with age when it's needed the most.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:49 am
by citizenJA
frog222 wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.4203718

Plenty of laughs to be had still. Laughs AT many of our 'leaders' , and the flocks at the Races :D
When UK peoples laugh at and despise Tory leadership, it'll bring it down. May it happen soon.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:52 am
by citizenJA
PorFavor makes another sublime entrance into the virtual lair.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 12:34 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, after last night Biden is going to be the Democratic nominee barring some total "black swan" event.

I hope it goes well, but I fear the worst.
Maybe a deal was struck amongst powerful people agreeing Trump can fall and a Democrat win the US presidency if Sanders is out and a bland Biden in.
It may yet be that the fallout from this crisis does for Trump anyway......

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 1:07 pm
by citizenJA
@AnatolyKasparov
I figured that into the scene of backdoor negotiations

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 3:25 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Peston unhappy at being widely seen as a government (if not Cummings) stooge.

My advice there is don't behave like one, then.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 3:35 pm
by adam
citizenJA wrote:PorFavor makes another sublime entrance into the virtual lair.
Searching in vain for dumplings.

(It wasn't that kind of stew - it was a layered hotpot thing. I will make that kind of stew, with dumplings, next weekend, I think.)

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 4:08 pm
by citizenJA
"This is a shockingly understaffed clinic. I don’t understand why the syndics don’t request some more postings from the Medical Federation, or else cut down the number of admissions; some of these aides and doctors are working eight hours a day!"

- Rulag
The Dispossession: An Ambiguous Utopia
by Ursula K. LeGuin

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 4:19 pm
by citizenJA
adam wrote:
citizenJA wrote:PorFavor makes another sublime entrance into the virtual lair.
Searching in vain for dumplings.

(It wasn't that kind of stew - it was a layered hotpot thing. I will make that kind of stew, with dumplings, next weekend, I think.)
:rock:

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 5:05 pm
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.

The Government will no longer support mass gatherings. Run that one past me again . . .

Time to commandeer Private Hospitals and their facilities.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 5:22 pm
by RogerOThornhill
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Good day to bury bad news? The Department of Transport refuses to publish its internal report into London's Garden Bridge scandal which cost taxpayers £46 million. Its reason: it would prejudice the commercial interests of the Garden Bridge Trust - in liquidation since April!
:roll:

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 5:56 pm
by citizenJA
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

The Government will no longer support mass gatherings. Run that one past me again . . .

Time to commandeer Private Hospitals and their facilities.
I thought you'd never ask... :clap:

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 6:13 pm
by citizenJA
Johnson valiantly protecting the lives of elderly peers and MPs

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 6:39 pm
by Willow904
From the G liveblog:
Gareth Bentham, a joint pub landlord in Altrincham, said Boris Johnson’s decision to urge people to avoid pubs means he and thousands of other landlords won’t be able to claim for the coronavirus outbreak on business interruption insurance
I suspect it's not a coincidence that donations to the Tory party from insurance companies have grown significantly since Cameron became leader. They certainly aren't the party of the small business owner any more, that's for sure.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 6:39 pm
by citizenJA
The head of the World Health Organizaion, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has implored governments to test more suspected cases, warning that they cannot fight the pandemic blindfolded.

...[H]e said: “We have not seen an urgent enough escalation in testing, isolation and contact tracing, which is the backbone of the response. The most effective way to prevent infections and save lives is breaking the chains of transmission. And to do that, you must test and isolate. You cannot fight the fire blindfolded. And we cannot stop this pandemic, if we don’t know who is infected. We have a simple message for all countries Test, test, test. Test every suspected case."

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That clear enough for you, Johnson

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 6:40 pm
by refitman
Willow904 wrote:From the G liveblog:
Gareth Bentham, a joint pub landlord in Altrincham, said Boris Johnson’s decision to urge people to avoid pubs means he and thousands of other landlords won’t be able to claim for the coronavirus outbreak on business interruption insurance
I suspect it's not a coincidence that donations to the Tory party from insurance companies have grown significantly since Cameron became leader. They certainly aren't the party of the small business owner any more, that's for sure.
My neighbour, who runs an escape room, has just said the same thing. The wording has completely buggered him.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 6:52 pm
by Willow904
Also from the G liveblog:
According to SAGE [the scientific advisory group for emergencies] it looks as though we’re now approaching the fast growth part of the upward curve. And without drastic action, cases could double every five or six days.
According to the data in the link here, UK cases are currently doubling every 3 days, so we actually need to slow it down to get to every 5 or 6 days. Or am I missing something? (You'll need to scroll down a bit to find the numbers).

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Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:05 pm
by citizenJA
Mr citizen brought home imperfectly bundled own brand toilet rolls with "recycled" on the label. Good psychological marketing strategy ensuring the likelihood of everyone having enough toilet paper, I thought.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:10 pm
by citizenJA
Willow904 wrote:From the G liveblog:
Gareth Bentham, a joint pub landlord in Altrincham, said Boris Johnson’s decision to urge people to avoid pubs means he and thousands of other landlords won’t be able to claim for the coronavirus outbreak on business interruption insurance
I suspect it's not a coincidence that donations to the Tory party from insurance companies have grown significantly since Cameron became leader. They certainly aren't the party of the small business owner any more, that's for sure.
This is what makes me so frightened of Johnson and his government. Deliberately malicious planning.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:11 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
citizenJA wrote:Johnson valiantly protecting the lives of elderly peers and MPs
Jeremy Corbyn is 71 this year.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:15 pm
by citizenJA
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Johnson valiantly protecting the lives of elderly peers and MPs
Jeremy Corbyn is 71 this year.
As an aside, not only is it likely Corbyn will live longer than Johnson, I think he'll outlive him too.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:17 pm
by PorFavor
Paul Brand

@PaulBrandITV

Massive problem for restaurants, pubs, entertainment industries. Government says don't go, but has not enforced closure, meaning none of them can claim insurance.

One event organiser tells me: "If they don't enforce any closures then pretty much the whole arts will go bust."
507
6:52 PM - Mar 16, 2020 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:20 pm
by citizenJA
citizenJA wrote:Mr citizen brought home imperfectly bundled own brand toilet rolls with "recycled" on the label. Good psychological marketing strategy ensuring the likelihood of everyone having enough toilet paper, I thought.
I'm entirely satisfied. Nothing wrong with them.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:30 pm
by citizenJA

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:38 pm
by tinyclanger2
LAYERED HOTPOT?

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:42 pm
by tinyclanger2
I am turning into an old get. At least that’s how I flatter myself - others might say I already did that a while back.

Sky’s OMD track last night brought back to mind my days working on the record counter at Boots the Chemist on Market Street (Manchester). Someone wanted “Alone again” but didn’t know who by. With a certain degree of creatitivity I managed to work with them till we worked out it was “Enola Gay”.

This was a while ago.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:43 pm
by tinyclanger2
(When everyone who was anyone - or indeed no-one - met in the Virgin record store ‘at the back of’ Piccadilly.)

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:46 pm
by tinyclanger2
Is a layered hotpot a cross between a hotpot and a ....

.... lasagne?


The mystery deepens.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 7:57 pm
by tinyclanger2
Confession: purchased an extra bottle of Noilly Prat - just in case.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 8:36 pm
by tinyclanger2
Suit yourselves.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 8:40 pm
by tinyclanger2
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On-nomi - virtual parties/online drinking - I’ll bring the vermouth.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 8:49 pm
by PorFavor
Free ventilator blueprints now included in every box of Kelloggs cornflakes.

(Can you still get cornflakes?)

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 8:52 pm
by frog222
tinyclanger2 wrote:Confession: purchased an extra bottle of Noilly Prat - just in case.
Not YET a shelf-emptier.

Stand "At ease" TC !

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 9:15 pm
by citizenJA
PorFavor wrote:Free ventilator blueprints now included in every box of Kelloggs cornflakes.

(Can you still get cornflakes?)
Not without ID

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 9:18 pm
by citizenJA
UK government sends ventilator blueprints to major manufacturers
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... irus-fears" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Blueprints inside cornflakes boxes

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 9:27 pm
by gilsey
Paul Bernal
@PaulbernalUK
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Something that annoys me listening to some of the commentators talking about ‘self-isolation’ for families with one person at risk. The assumption that there are enough rooms to isolate them. ‘Give them a separate bedroom. And a separate bathroom’. We don’t all live in mansions!

A Lawyer
@HighlandLawyer
Replying to
@PaulbernalUK
Wasn't the bedroom tax specifically to prevent the poor having a spare bedroom?

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 9:55 pm
by frog222
To even get close to surviving at several people in a small space, you need a lot of window-opening, mask-wearing, and much soapy cleaning of contact surfaces , and LUCK !

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 10:05 pm
by adam
tinyclanger2 wrote:LAYERED HOTPOT?
Nice burgundy le creuset pan that used to belong to my Aunt.
Onions cooked with garlic, fresh rosemary and dried oregano
Slices of potato
Diced lamb
Chopped lamb's liver
More of the onions
Cover everything in lamb stock
More of the potato
Lid on, low oven, four hours. Lid off for the last half hour.

If I did it again I'd brown the meat in some flour to thicken the stock over the cooking time.

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 10:24 pm
by frog222
adam wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:LAYERED HOTPOT?
Nice burgundy le creuset pan that used to belong to my Aunt.
Onions cooked with garlic, fresh rosemary and dried oregano
Slices of potato
Diced lamb
Chopped lamb's liver
More of the onions
Cover everything in lamb stock
More of the potato
Lid on, low oven, four hours. Lid off for the last half hour.

If I did it again I'd brown the meat in some flour to thicken the stock over the cooking time.
I WAS going to object , but yes it's really quite simple !

No oven, but my woodstove can be made very hot !

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:12 pm
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Re: Monday 16th March 2020

Posted: Mon 16 Mar, 2020 11:16 pm
by PorFavor
PTO