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Morning all.

So, as of last night Scouts and Guides have been told to close and have no more meetings.

Meanwhile, 'er indoors had got all the ingredients - some already mixed - for doing some baking with her Guides tonight. I guess that means we're living on choc chip muffins for the week...

I can't imagine schools will be staying open for too much longer.

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I know we're sticklers for accuracy here and I've been informed that it is cookies not muffins.

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Unemployment in the UK has risen, even before the impact of the coronavirus crisis hits the economy.

The number of people out of work in the three months to January rose by 62,000, compared to the previous quarter, the Office for National Statistics reports.

Just the beginning.

Are the govt going to be allowed to go on pretending that work is the way out of poverty? It'll be hard to keep that up over the next couple of years.

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What the govt won't be announcing - emergency legislation to end all benefit deductions. Conditionality, bedroom tax, 2 child limit, loan/advance repayments, sanctions, housing benefit limits, the lot.

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Robert Peston, ITV’s political editor, has written an interesting blog on the challenge facing Rishi Sunak as he draws up his coronavirus financial rescue packaged. Peston says the scale of the challenge is likely to take the Conservatives into unlikely ideological territory. He says:

As one Tory minister put it to me, these principles imply that Boris Johnson will almost certainly have to oversee a government that for a good year or maybe longer will look quite socialist.

“We’ll find ourselves implementing most of Jeremy Corbyn’s programme” is how he put it. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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Rampant capitalism is such a poor system yet, every time it fails to come up to snuff, we bend over backwards to reinforce its pedestal.


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What a shame -

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The Conservative party’s spring conference, which was due to start on Friday 3 April in Harrogate, has been cancelled, ConservativeHome’s Paul Goodman reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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Robert Peston, ITV’s political editor, has written an interesting blog on the challenge facing Rishi Sunak as he draws up his coronavirus financial rescue packaged. Peston says the scale of the challenge is likely to take the Conservatives into unlikely ideological territory. He says:

As one Tory minister put it to me, these principles imply that Boris Johnson will almost certainly have to oversee a government that for a good year or maybe longer will look quite socialist.

“We’ll find ourselves implementing most of Jeremy Corbyn’s programme” is how he put it. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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A very worthy cause if anyone has any spare cash they can donate.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-foodban ... oronavirus

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What a shame -

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The Conservative party’s spring conference, which was due to start on Friday 3 April in Harrogate, has been cancelled, ConservativeHome’s Paul Goodman reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Greeted with raucous laughter at the end of my locked-down lane in sunny Normandy.

Lovely day for 'IT' !

The doc had pinned my prescription on his notice board. Signs everywhere : no more than two people in the (small) waiting room & others OUTSIDE; those with xyz symptoms to wear a mask; plus there was a large dispenser of alco-gel on the table .

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A couple of hours ago I SEARCHED the G website for France Coronavirus.

There are a couple of two-line mentions .

Did I miss a proper report on Macron’s VERY Presidential “War” speech ?

IF there wasn’t one, it's almost as tho there's a D-Notice forbidding publication of that news!

As Huffpo’s Waugh points out, the contrast is stark

"startling vagueness" from Johnson and his ‘experts’ and ministers .

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-boris-johnson-macron_uk_5e701526c5b60fb69ddca448


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The Conservative party’s spring conference, which was due to start on Friday 3 April in Harrogate, has been cancelled, ConservativeHome’s Paul Goodman reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)


Well so has the LibDem version, even though only "large gatherings" are officially discouraged.

Boom boom.


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According to someone interviewed on Sky News, the Spanish government has taken over their private hospitals. The other day, I suggested here that it was time for our government to take such action.


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Past time, now.


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Its past time for quite a few things.


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Unemployment in the UK has risen, even before the impact of the coronavirus crisis hits the economy.

The number of people out of work in the three months to January rose by 62,000, compared to the previous quarter, the Office for National Statistics reports.
Just the beginning.

Are the govt going to be allowed to go on pretending that work is the way out of poverty? It'll be hard to keep that up over the next couple of years.
I'm not a great writer and my thoughts get jumbled; I hope I can be understood.

We've got all kinds of work needing doing right now, all kinds of business and service provision necessary right now. Our macro economic system is grotesque. It's not serving people, people are serving it and it's causing real despair for absolutely no good reason.

What if care workers, healthcare staff, police, ambulance drivers, delivery personnel, warehouse, order processing, online shopping webpage maintenance and retail staff, for example, downed tools until they get the price others can or will pay? People buying up all the hand sanitiser cheap leaving areas with none and exploiting that situation by selling it dear - it's inefficient, morally repugnant and thoroughly understandable. It's a symptom of a dysfunctional system, the seller didn't create it but someone did.

Governments using their vested power over individuals obliged to accept their legal authority and rights over resource allocation can
- force people into working for nothing at all until they drop dead with exhaustion
- benefit everyone and not just corporate donors, financial product junkies, asset hoarders, peers and the other MPs in the room
- many other things

People don't have to serve the economy; making them do so is a political choice.
Housing, food, energy, healthcare, social care, transportation infrastructure and provision are political choices.

Viruses aren't subject to economic systems, governments or laws.


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Governments can choose using resources for war and other hobbies
Governments can choose using resources keeping people and country protected from health hazards


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Raab claims he is confident Brexit trade talks with EU can still be concluded in 2020


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This comes under the general heading of "funny that..."

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I wonder why some idiots are shouting for 70 year old Corbyn to self-isolate but not a word about these:
Peter Bottomley (CON, 75)
Margaret Hodge (LAB, 75)
Christopher Chope (CON, 72)
Gordon Henderson (CON, 72)
Pauline Latham (CON, 72)
David Davis (CON, 71)

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O2 and Three confirm mobile network problems
Users of all four of UK’s major networks have reported issues, according to network status monitoring website

The fault comes as millions of people begin working from home as part of government guidance to reduce social contact to help stop the spread of coronavirus. According to network status monitoring website Down Detector, users of all four of the UK’s major networks have reported issues.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... k-problems
oh, shit
and here we are without having yet secured our continental lair
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RogerOThornhill wrote:
This comes under the general heading of "funny that..."

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I wonder why some idiots are shouting for 70 year old Corbyn to self-isolate but not a word about these:
Peter Bottomley (CON, 75)
Margaret Hodge (LAB, 75)
Christopher Chope (CON, 72)
Gordon Henderson (CON, 72)
Pauline Latham (CON, 72)
David Davis (CON, 71)


Bottomley is Father Of The House too, so not insignificant in his case.


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Tear up the economic rule book. This pandemic calls for radical intervention

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nt-workers
Read it and do what he tells you, Johnson


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Richard Branson is asking staff to take unpaid leave. In what position would that place them with regard to money\benefits? (UK staff, that is.)


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I'd love to creep up behind Richard Branson and then loudly shout, "BOAC!"


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Richard Branson is asking staff to take unpaid leave. In what position would that place them with regard to money\benefits? (UK staff, that is.)

The interweb tells me exactly what rights workers have here in cases of what is commonly called "chomage technique" , officially "chomage partiel". Ah ha, they've changed the name again, "activté partielle" ! The logic being you're not really 'unemployed'. Well not yet, if you work for an airline or similar industry which may shrink for some time .

" Si votre entreprise ferme ou réduit son activité, un dispositif de chômage partiel, désormais appelé activité partielle, se met en place. En fin de mois, votre employeur vous versera une indemnité pour toute heure non travaillée. Elle représente 70 % de votre salaire horaire brut habituel, ce qui équivaut à environ 84 % de votre salaire net. Dans tous les cas, vous ne pourrez pas tomber en dessous du Smic (1 219 € net pour 35 heures) "

https://www.ouest-france.fr/sante/virus/coronavirus/covid-19-quelle-indemnisation-pour-les-salaries-qui-ne-peuvent-pas-travailler-6782747

Rather a contrast ? ;)


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PF -------------- Better On A Camel !

That is a really old one .


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gilsey wrote:
Raab claims he is confident Brexit trade talks with EU can still be concluded in 2020


:wall:


https://mobile.twitter.com/pmdfoster/st ... 9439436808

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Did anyone hear the Health Committe meeting proceedings, earlier? That bit about putting up some NHS staff in hotels . . .

Totally incomprehensible. As even, to give him credit, Jeremy Hunt thought.


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I received an e-mail from my mortgage lender. I thought that it was possibly to check that I wasn't in dire financial straits. But no. It was a request that I didn't visit a branch and breathe on them.


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Mr gilsey has an appointment for a blood test tomorrow and the surgery rang him this morning to check he was ok and tell him not to go if he developed symptoms.

I went into Stokesley this am for a couple of things (including a mousetrap for the garage) and you wouldn't know people were supposed to stay at home, plenty of 70- and 80-somethings on the street. Co-op not allowing anyone to buy more than 2 of anything.

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Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe temporarily released from Iranian jail

A bit of good news.

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People with health conditions placing them at greater risk should they contract COVID-19 have been advised by Johnson to work from home if they're able to do their job from home.

An employee with a health condition placing them at greater risk should they contract COVID-19 and is able to do their job from home asks line manager to work from home. Line managers says, 'Well, no, it's not regular procedure...'. Employee reminds manager the health condition places them at greater risk if they contract COVID-19. Line manager says, 'Well, go ask human resources...'. Human resources says, 'Well...no, it's not regular procedure...'. Employee reminds human resources the health condition places them at greater risk if they contract COVID-19. Human resources says, 'Well...go ask your doctor'.

The employee is thoroughly confused, trying to do what they've been told to do and additionally there's no eggs, no crackers, pasta or rice in the shop.


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The shop around the corner had those things so it's not all bad.


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Even at this early stage, I don't think that loans are going to be enough.


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People with health conditions placing them at greater risk should they contract COVID-19 have been advised by Johnson to work from home if they're able to do their job from home.

An employee with a health condition placing them at greater risk should they contract COVID-19 and is able to do their job from home asks line manager to work from home. Line managers says, 'Well, no, it's not regular procedure...'. Employee reminds manager the health condition places them at greater risk if they contract COVID-19. Line manager says, 'Well, go ask human resources...'. Human resources says, 'Well...no, it's not regular procedure...'. Employee reminds human resources the health condition places them at greater risk if they contract COVID-19. Human resources says, 'Well...go ask your doctor'.

The employee is thoroughly confused, trying to do what they've been told to do and additionally there's no eggs, no crackers, pasta or rice in the shop.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-in-limbo
The person with a health condition placing them at greater risk should they contract COVID-19 able to work from home and their frustrating experience with line managers and human resources is related to this. Because it's not a government order, because it's legally discretionary, line managers, human resources and lots of other people are confused and having difficulty.


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Mr citizen is a mild, lovely person and he's had a hard day. He never fails bringing me apples. I'm very fond of Mr. citizen and I feel the rage of a dragon inside me because I'm frightened and angry.


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US government to give citizens emergency financial aid

Donald Trump has dramatically stepped up the US government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak by announcing plans to send cheques directly to American citizens to give them emergency financial aid, while agreeing to purchase up to $1tn (£830bn) of corporate bonds.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ancial-aid
Wow, he really wants to get re-elected. Forgive my cynicism. Direct financial aid to citizens is part of a good strategy during this crisis. It'll be interesting to see the details of this aid. I've a lot of questions unanswered. Will US citizens get help paying for medical treatment? Will their mortgages and rent get covered if they're unable to work?


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Suggested by Tulsi Gabbard a week or so ago iirc ??????????????


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Yes indeed, but "establishment" Democrats are in danger of being outflanked. Pelosi in particular has been genuinely pathetic up to now.


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Statement to the press by Dr Hans Henri P. Kluge, WHO Regional Director for Europe
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Europe is the epicenter of the first pandemic of coronavirus and every country, with no exceptions, need to take their boldest actions to stop or slow down the virus spread. Boldest action should include community action. Thinking that “this does not concern me” is not an option.
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At every step, the public should be informed and guided on how to protect themselves and others, support their communities and maintain a sense of normality in extraordinary circumstances. Health facilities have to have the necessary equipment to care for those seriously affected and to protect health workers from exposure.
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These are unprecedented times. It is important that countries work together, learn from each other and harmonize the efforts. The virus can be beaten back by solidarity within communities, within nations and within our region, together with individual psychological resilience. Thank you very much.

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Germany has over 6,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 68 people have died.
France has 6,633 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 148 people have died.
The UK has 1,547 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 55 people have died.

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I think more than 1,547 people in the UK have COVID-19 but people haven't been tested and included in the World Health Organisation's tally.


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I wouldn't have believed someone could be so transparently crass and malicious hemming and hawing on the world's stage as Johnson. I'm sincerely shocked. His government's inaction are lives lost.


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Hi All

Strange times and sorry I’ve been absent.

We are now ready we hope to deliver education to 40000 students entirely online. Wow.

Stay safe everyone. Love from Yorkshire, Paul.


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Strange times and sorry I’ve been absent.

We are now ready we hope to deliver education to 40000 students entirely online. Wow.

Stay safe everyone. Love from Yorkshire, Paul.

Second daughter is doing the same with her lycée students in Alencon . Those three grandsons are being kept busy at home, participatory cookery classes to start with ...

They are about 300m from open country so can run/bike as much as they want ....

BUT gendarmes can control you, if too far from home without 'justification', often written by employer/doctor . fine €135 if unconvincing ...............................


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I think more than 1,547 people in the UK have COVID-19 but people haven't been tested and included in the World Health Organisation's tally.

Dear cJA , there are several orders of magnitude between the BritGov and REALITY :o

This JC is occasionally a bit muddled, but usually spot on , a valuable resource for news -

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr0Cqlf5xK4&feature=emb_logo[/youtube]

I have a small idea where that went wrong , bt if somebody else wants to fix it .....


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citizenJA wrote:
I think more than 1,547 people in the UK have COVID-19 but people haven't been tested and included in the World Health Organisation's tally.

Dear cJA , there are several orders of magnitude between the BritGov and REALITY :o

This JC is occasionally a bit muddled, but usually spot on , a valuable resource for news -



I have a small idea where that went wrong , bt if somebody else wants to fix it .....
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