Friday 20th March 2020
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Friday 20th March 2020
Morning all.
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More encouraging ....
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... ne-science
This looks good, easterly winds for a week, cold and dry !
https://www.theguardian.com/society/202 ... ne-science
This looks good, easterly winds for a week, cold and dry !
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”My 24-yr-old has been paying National Insurance for two years. After losing job due to corona, inquired about Jobseekers’ Allowance. But can’t claim because needs to have been paying NI longer.
What happens to kids without homes & supportive parents?”
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Morning all.
Too many decades of "look after yourself and sod everyone else" coming back to bite...
And apparently this morning two men stole or school milk...David Allen Green
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All those empty shelves in supermarkets are where the stiff upper lips were supposed to be
So much for national self-mythology
8:23 AM - 20 Mar 2020
Too many decades of "look after yourself and sod everyone else" coming back to bite...
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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The black market is booming already. All the nationalist crap about a united nation pulling together during the war conveniently skims over the spivs and racketeers that thrived under the surface.
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BBC News had a feature on GP surgeries this morning and followed a case of a woman with asthma with a cough and shortness of breath. She was sent to hospital and had a chest x-ray but apparently wasn't tested for coronavirus. Was just sent home to self-isolate. So much for testing in hospitals. Testing staff is a no brainer too yet that's not happening either. The only explanation is that we completely failed to order enough tests, protective equipment or any new ventilators when we saw this coming when it started spreading in Italy. Why is Boris Johnson still in post? This level of incompetence shouldn't be tolerated.
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Willow904 wrote:BBC News had a feature on GP surgeries this morning and followed a case of a woman with asthma with a cough and shortness of breath. She was sent to hospital and had a chest x-ray but apparently wasn't tested for coronavirus. Was just sent home to self-isolate. So much for testing in hospitals. Testing staff is a no brainer too yet that's not happening either. The only explanation is that we completely failed to order enough tests, protective equipment or any new ventilators when we saw this coming when it started spreading in Italy. Why is Boris Johnson still in post? This level of incompetence shouldn't be tolerated.
I know I'm repeating what I more or less said yesterday, but: "Distribution problem with the ample stocks (or words to that effect)" bollocks. And even if it were true, it's government incompetence at a very basic level.
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And again - my comment relates to protective equipment for NHS staff. So, a bit off-beam, really.
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Of course, she knew all this stuff before deciding (for reasons best known to herself) becoming a marginally more erudite Katie Hopkins should be her career move.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:”My 24-yr-old has been paying National Insurance for two years. After losing job due to corona, inquired about Jobseekers’ Allowance. But can’t claim because needs to have been paying NI longer.
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https://twitter.com/b8taFPS/status/1239863383354224641
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -free-city
My new organic-farmer neighbour was enthusing about this when we did our distance-meeting in the field just now !
He might be going into town, in a few days, but like me he's well-supplied . The agri co-op is only allowed to sell feed, so I let him have my spare saw guide and chain.
Spuds and peas on the woodstove
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -free-city
My new organic-farmer neighbour was enthusing about this when we did our distance-meeting in the field just now !
He might be going into town, in a few days, but like me he's well-supplied . The agri co-op is only allowed to sell feed, so I let him have my spare saw guide and chain.
Spuds and peas on the woodstove
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Good morfternoon.
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Did I hear Tim (deeply unpleasant but dim) Martin correctly when he said, last night in a news interview, that it was a fact that the virus has never been passed on in a pub?
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Actually the BBC are having a decent crisis overall (which is much needed by them and us) but why on earth was he allowed to spout his drivel on Radio 4 this morning?
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Interviews with GPs and epidemiologists instead of politicians and political commentators has upped the factual content enormously.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Actually the BBC are having a decent crisis overall (which is much needed by them and us) but why on earth was he allowed to spout his drivel on Radio 4 this morning?
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Missed that, no TV , but is it true that his bar staff are not allowed to even wear (their own) masks and gloves ?PorFavor wrote:Did I hear Tim (deeply unpleasant but dim) Martin correctly when he said, last night in a news interview, that it was a fact that the virus has never been passed on in a pub?
Naturally he doesn't provide them .
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California ...[Governor Gavin]...Newsom on Thursday estimated that 25.5 million people – roughly 56% of California’s population – were likely to become infected with the coronavirus, an alarming projection offered by the governor in a letter to Donald Trump. Newsom called on the president to deploy a navy hospital ship, the USNS Mercy, and station it in the port of Los Angeles to help the giant metro area deal with a fast-moving health crisis.
“In the last 24 hours, we had 126 new Covid-19 cases, a 21% increase. In some parts of our state, the case rate is doubling every four days,” Newsom wrote, adding that evidence of community transmission had been found in at least 23 counties. We project that roughly 56% of our population – 25.5 million people – will be infected with the virus over an eight-week period,” he said.
All Californians ordered to shelter in place as governor estimates more than 25m will get virus
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Good afternoon, everyone.
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A deeply unpleasant man, indeed.frog222 wrote:Missed that, no TV , but is it true that his bar staff are not allowed to even wear (their own) masks and gloves ?PorFavor wrote:Did I hear Tim (deeply unpleasant but dim) Martin correctly when he said, last night in a news interview, that it was a fact that the virus has never been passed on in a pub?
Naturally he doesn't provide them .
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Just had an e-mail from the children's school. It seems a big list of frontline workers plus not limiting to children who have both parents in such roles has led to quite a high number of requests to keep their children in school. They appear to be trying to put people off by stressing the advice now is that children are at risk if congregating in large groups and hinting they are already short on staff due to self-isolation as well as some staff being seconded by the council.
"Clusterfuck" is the word that springs to mind.
"Clusterfuck" is the word that springs to mind.
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Areas with confirmed cases are increasing all over the UKPublic Health England
Total UK cases COVID-19 Cases Update
as of 09:00 (GMT) on 19/03/2020
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 484dd4bb14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
edited to add the link for the mobile website link dashboard
it's easier to read, I think
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 5d2a9070ae
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cJA -- London hospitals beginning to be overwhelmed since last night .citizenJA wrote:Areas with confirmed cases are increasing all over the UKPublic Health England
Total UK cases COVID-19 Cases Update
as of 09:00 (GMT) on 19/03/2020
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 484dd4bb14" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
edited to add the link for the mobile website link dashboard
it's easier to read, I think
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboar ... 5d2a9070ae
https://www.hsj.co.uk/news/hospitals-cr ... 89.article
BC just declared lockdown, like here.
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Concise quote below from the US Centers from Disease Control (CDC)frog222 wrote:---
cJA -- London hospitals beginning to be overwhelmed since last night .
https://www.hsj.co.uk/news/hospitals-cr ... 89.article
BC just declared lockdown, like here.
Volume 26, Number 6—June 2020
Early Release - Estimating Risk for Death from 2019 Novel Coronavirus Disease, China, January–February 2020
Kenji Mizumoto and Gerardo Chowell
Author affiliations: Georgia State University, Atlanta, Georgia, USA (K. Mizumoto, G. Chowell); Kyoto University, Kyoto, Japan (K. Mizumoto)https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0233_article"Because the risk for death from COVID-19 is probably associated with a breakdown of the healthcare system in the absence of pharmaceutical interventions (i.e., vaccination and antiviral drugs), enhanced public health interventions (including social distancing measures, quarantine, enhanced infection control in healthcare settings, and movement restrictions), as well as enhanced hygienic measures in the general population and an increase in healthcare system capacity, should be implemented to rapidly contain the epidemic."
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From our Dear Leader's press conference
That means my pool closes.
Good job I went 4 times this week. My back will start to give me problems in about a week...
Balls.Night clubs, theatres, gyms, cinemas and leisure centures must also close on the same timescale.
That means my pool closes.
Good job I went 4 times this week. My back will start to give me problems in about a week...
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A highly contagious virus with no vaccine or pharmaceutical treatment specific to that virus overwhelms healthcare systems. People requiring hospitalisation for treatments available likely ensuring their survival won't get that treatment if the hospital hasn't staff or equipment enough providing it. It'd happen anywhere. What isn't inevitable everywhere is a systematically underfunded healthcare system for years prior that virus' introduction into the population without enough staff, equipment and responsible national leadership providing coherent, decisive instruction denying necessary resources to people needing it.
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good luck
that's as good as it's going to get
edited trying for greater clarity
good luck
that's as good as it's going to get
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(cJA edit)RogerOThornhill wrote:---
That means my pool closes.
Good job I went 4 times this week. My back will start to give me problems in about a week...
I'm sorry for that, I understand. Swimming is a treatment for your back pain not easily replaced with another activity.
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Cometh the hour cometh the utter shits
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Well take that Tim Martin.
Is there anything official about libraries?
Is there anything official about libraries?
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https://www.scotsman.com/health/safe-us ... ds-2450364" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The opinion of Public Health is that it is “generally safe” to go swimming at this time, as water and the chlorine within the swimming pools would help to kill the virus.
The opinion of Public Health is that it is “generally safe” to go swimming at this time, as water and the chlorine within the swimming pools would help to kill the virus.
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I thought it was 30% now, I'm obviously behind the times.For renters, I’m announcing today nearly £1bn of support by increasing the generosity of housing benefit and Universal Credit, so that the Local Housing Allowance will cover at least 30% of market rents in your area.
It's pathetic.
No mention of the benefit cap.
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Their website is still accepting bookings.HindleA wrote:Cometh the hour cometh the utter shits
https://coylumbridgeaviemorehotel.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Or a few other things. They are gradually doing more, but still basically the minimum they think they can get away with.gilsey wrote:I thought it was 30% now, I'm obviously behind the times.For renters, I’m announcing today nearly £1bn of support by increasing the generosity of housing benefit and Universal Credit, so that the Local Housing Allowance will cover at least 30% of market rents in your area.
It's pathetic.
No mention of the benefit cap.
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"increasing the generosity of housing benefit" !gilsey wrote:I thought it was 30% now, I'm obviously behind the times.For renters, I’m announcing today nearly £1bn of support by increasing the generosity of housing benefit and Universal Credit, so that the Local Housing Allowance will cover at least 30% of market rents in your area.
It's pathetic.
No mention of the benefit cap.
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Won't help you if the place is shut.RogerOThornhill wrote:https://www.scotsman.com/health/safe-us ... ds-2450364
The opinion of Public Health is that it is “generally safe” to go swimming at this time, as water and the chlorine within the swimming pools would help to kill the virus.
Back extensions as shown here do the trick for me since my slipped disk last year, I'm not a swimmer. I expect you know this.
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/e ... -sciatica/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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So...tonight's gig at Cafe Oto features pianist Alexander Hawkins, someone who I've seen many times there and elsewhere and who I know well.
https://www.cafeoto.co.uk/events/oto-fundraiser-five/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Live stream in the link and starts around 8:30pm. Two sets - one solo and then a trio after a break.
https://www.cafeoto.co.uk/events/oto-fundraiser-five/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Live stream in the link and starts around 8:30pm. Two sets - one solo and then a trio after a break.
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Italy had a spike in cases/deaths today, after some hopeful signs in the previous 48 hours
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Ok so as far as I can work out Universal Credit and Working Tax Credits are going up by £20.83 a week for the next year. Will this apply to ESA and JSA?
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Hello, tinyclanger2.
Louder?
Louder?
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hey babetinyclanger2 wrote:Hello nesters
pleased ta see ya
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What was that PF? Sitting around all day speaking Afghan?
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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I'm disappointed I have to remain disappointed in government's response here. For people with jobs with an employer not going belly up, not on a wage more than the UK's median, they'll get 80% of it and may be okay until June if they don't require hospitalisation. Consumers pay VAT, not businesses, giving businesses VAT breaks gives those businesses more money. If it means the business remains open, providing a worthwhile product and employing people, that's good. None of UC's problems have been resolved and money won't be forthcoming any faster. Statutory sick pay remains less than £95 a week. Housing benefit hasn't been increased, the chancellor is confused there. Self-employed people are still up a tree. Perhaps the chancellor hopes they'll develop entrepreneurial talent in toilet roll and hand sanitiser distribution by selling them dear after having purchased the lot leaving the shelves bare.Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Ok so as far as I can work out Universal Credit and Working Tax Credits are going up by £20.83 a week for the next year. Will this apply to ESA and JSA?
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I want to be happy with this government. I really do. Our lives depend upon government doing good with the power they possess.
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Roger, I was also going to suggest that there are almost certainly other possibilities for your back !gilsey wrote:Won't help you if the place is shut.RogerOThornhill wrote:https://www.scotsman.com/health/safe-us ... ds-2450364
The opinion of Public Health is that it is “generally safe” to go swimming at this time, as water and the chlorine within the swimming pools would help to kill the virus.
Back extensions as shown here do the trick for me since my slipped disk last year, I'm not a swimmer. I expect you know this.
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/exercise/e ... -sciatica/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I also saw the thing on chlorine and swimming pools .................
BUT you first have to get there, (HOW exactly ?) , then (perhaps) open a door . Entrance to my swimming pool/sauna in Granville is next by an electronic wristband .
No prob! Push one's way into the cubicle , OK . Lock or not lock the door ? Then choose the bit of the exit door to pull on to exit . Next the pre-swim shower cubicle , slather virus-killing soap on hands before touching anything .
NEXT . Which bit of the sauna doorhandle do you pull on to open it ?
On last Saturday I was ALONE for nearly all of my half hour , but another ****ing bloke came in for a bit, he didn't actually cough .... !
But did all of you know that aerosol pollution from exhalations can be persistent for .... 'some time' . But basically it's a few hours only
OK ! So you just want to swim ? First of all, the changing places. Then the water itself . Supposedly; chlorine kills , but my lovely pool doesn't smell of chlorine , so does Ozone (or whatever) work as well as Chlorine ? Dunno !
Well there are doors and other surfaces which MAY be contaminated before you even get near the pool , and the consequences PARTICULARLY for anyone over , say, SIXTY, are that IF you get a serious infection ... you come second, or even terminally last , in any queue for Intensive Care .
I am 99% sure that it has already happened that OAP's who are not necessarily in 'that bad health' ( I'm actually quite fit at approaching 73 ), have been triaged in favour of younger people . That is what was always done on battlefields . For worse cases, those who had Known Pre-existing Conditions, a simpler decision to make -- it's the corridor for you .
When the Italian medics shared their experience of triaging , the official response in France only a FEW DAYS ago was --
"WE DON'T DO THAT"
That has now changed. And since last night, just about, in England too.
Be as careful as you can, everybody . Distancing, think before you TOUCH !
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I remember eggs. Those kinda egg shaped things weren't they? Haven't seen one in weeks. I miss eggs. Carbonara is really shit without them. Not that I have an pasta. Remember pasta?
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Local authorities have the names of those paying council tax in their area. How about one day a week local authorities sell toilet rolls and other essentials not on the shelf in reasonable quantities to them? People with motor vehicles are showing up at dawn and buying three of everything using every member of their family at every shop within a fifteen mile radius. They're like locusts, these people. Very pleasant during non-stressful times, I'm sure.
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I'm at a loss to understand where, and how, people are safely storing all this toilet paper. Should we be bracing ourselves for a rash of serious toilet roll related accidents?
I'm at a loss to understand where, and how, people are safely storing all this toilet paper. Should we be bracing ourselves for a rash of serious toilet roll related accidents?
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@frog222
I'm obsessive compulsive and it's saving lives.
I'm obsessive compulsive and it's saving lives.
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I cheerfully told a group of people with toilet rolls I'd be 'round to borrow a roll when we run out because the market shelves were bare. We can do this peacefully or something else less nice. I left it there for them to consider.PorFavor wrote:@citizenJA
I'm at a loss to understand where, and how, people are safely storing all this toilet paper. Should we be bracing ourselves for a rash of serious toilet roll related accidents?
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I'm called Scrap by a German I knew in California, the strong, valuable bits gathered out of a disaster area.
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citizenJA wrote:I cheerfully told a group of people with toilet rolls I'd be 'round to borrow a roll when we run out because the market shelves were bare. We can do this peacefully or something else less nice. I left it there for them to consider.PorFavor wrote:@citizenJA
I'm at a loss to understand where, and how, people are safely storing all this toilet paper. Should we be bracing ourselves for a rash of serious toilet roll related accidents?
By "borrow" do you mean that you intend to use it and then return it?
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PTO
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