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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know if there is any post poll-closure coverage (radio, TV) of the by-election(s), please?

Yes, I know, bone idle, me . . . .
Two and a half hours of Andrew Neil apparently! :sick:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04lbpp6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Before that you can have the pleasure of QT:
Eric Pickles MP, Labour's deputy leader Harriet Harman MP, UKIP MEP Patrick O'Flynn, Liberal Democrat deputy leader Malcolm Bruce MP and novelist Jeanette Winterson.
Winterson was very good the last time she was on.
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pk1 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
HindleA wrote:Morning.

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/9953321 ... erspend-on" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


"Labour's plan to turn around 8 Billion overspend on disability benefits"
Kate Green MP, Labour’s shadow minister for Disabled People, said:

“Thousands of disabled people who want to work are being failed by the Tories. The Work Programme isn’t working for disabled people, with just one in 20 finding jobs, while this Tory-led Government slashes specialist support in job centres.

"The Tories’ failure to help disabled people into work comes at a huge cost to disabled people in every corner of the country who are being let down and to taxpayers who are facing an £8 billion bill.

"We must bring down social security spending and doing that requires a new approach to tackle the root causes of these costs directly. That’s why Labour will give disabled people the support they need to find a job. Our Work Support programme will bring hope to thousands of disabled people who have been let down by David Cameron’s government.”
I just wish really wish whoever does these press things would concentrate on the human rather than the bloody money side of policy announcements. :x
Totally understand where you're coming from but we know what Labour are up against when it comes to getting any kind of hearing - it always boils down to the money.

It does say:
A Labour government will improve employment support for sick and disabled people. Labour would introduce a new specialist Work Support programme for sick and disabled people who are furthest from the labour market. The programme will bring together existing resources from badly targeted and failing government schemes, including Work Choice and the Work Programme. The new Work Support programme will build on reforms to improve the flawed Work Capability Assessment to ensure that it provides a gateway to back-to-work support.
so this press release is regarding ESA claimants & any improvement on ESA, the Work programme & WCA has to be better than the current situation.

Whilst I agree that it would be good to do all manner of things to improve the WCA (like, abolish it, nuke it, kill it, etc) I am sick to death of Labour continuing with the conflation of work and illness/work and disability as though they were the same thing.

People who are disabled but not ill, and who want to work but are excluded from it, need a helping hand - and employers need to get their collective arses into gear and stop discriminating.

People who are ill are ill. The WCA is supposed to be an assessment aimed at discerning whether illness is at a level which renders the ill person capable of work or not - the nonsense that a person can be vaguely capable of some non-specific "work-related activity" has to go. The idea of people who are recovering and who want to do a bit here and there is more than adequately covered in the Permitted Work system in Incapacity Benefit - with the advantage that a claimant would be assured their IB until they were ready to move on.

There is no bloody "overspend". This is nonsense. Overall, there is an estimated £16 Billion a year in benefits going un-claimed.
The cost of ESA, IB, maternity pay, and Statutory Sick Pay is - altogether - £15 Billion.
ESA and IB combined cost £10 Billion - if there is an £8 Billion overspend there, that would imply that 80% of claimants are not ill, or that ill or not, they could and should be working. Which is absolute bollocks.

DLA/PIP (which includes sick/disabled children and OAP's with disabilities) costs £13 Billion. None of that should be included as the benefit is paid irrespective of work.

So where are they getting this magical figure from? I am considerably unimpressed.


EDITED TO ADD - made a mistake here....see next post below.... :wall:
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Boris Johnson’s haste for water cannon under fire as lack of bids revealed
London mayor said machines had to be purchased quickly to beat other contenders but police reveal no one else made a bid (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ck-of-bids
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Boris Johnson’s haste for water cannon under fire as lack of bids revealed
London mayor said machines had to be purchased quickly to beat other contenders but police reveal no one else made a bid (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ck-of-bids
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?

You wait (or not, as the case may be) three days for a post from PorFavor and then two come along at once.
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"The new figures, uncovered as part of Labour’s Zero-Based Review of government spending, show that ministers are set to spend over £8 billion more than planned on Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) in this parliament (2010-2015)"

"Uncovered" as in being able to read.Politicians do make me laugh.
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Double session on the dentists couch but have never had teeth out [two, a stitch in one of them] where I ended up in more pain than before. Don't know where to put myself. It's so bad it gave me the shakes. Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off. Sod going to the dentist!
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Ladies & gentlemen, today's anagram is ShogunPining:

https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/13876485" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry, no prizes for the best guess - the answer is probably as obvious as one's nose.
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ohsocynical wrote:Double session on the dentists couch but have never had teeth out [two, a stitch in one of them] where I ended up in more pain than before. Don't know where to put myself. It's so bad it gave me the shakes. Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off. Sod going to the dentist!

Sorry you're going through such a painful time. :(
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Hi Toby!
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Labour History Group ‏@LabourHistory 6m6 minutes ago
At the gen elec 50 yrs ago, Lab's candidate in Clacton (then in Harwich seat) was David Winnick, now only sitting Lab MP elected in 1960s
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This is what's troubling Osborne I guess

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ufacturing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I thought the Rochester by-election was today. Darn, was looking forward to that. I'm feeling it will go UKIP as a protest before the GE.
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HindleA wrote:"The new figures, uncovered as part of Labour’s Zero-Based Review of government spending, show that ministers are set to spend over £8 billion more than planned on Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) in this parliament (2010-2015)"

"Uncovered" as in being able to read.Politicians do make me laugh.
This is just so stupid.

IDS, against all advice (including that of the experts he appointed) deliberately made the WCA tougher in the hope that he would cut the number of people claiming ESA and/or IB.
IDS inherited a caseload of 2.6 Million people (or should I say a "stockpile) claiming sickness benefits. He still has the same number of people claiming sickness benefits.

He assumed, wrongly, that sick people who "failed" the WCA would - go away and die; get a job however ill they are; claim JSA instead.
The ones who didn't die didn't get jobs - they appealed in huge numbers and many of them won.
They couldn't claim JSA because they were ill - and now they can't appeal either because the new system of mandatory reconsideration prevents them or because they are in a queue of 750,000 people who haven't had an assessment or a decision to appeal against.

He is already saving millions by - making people wait for assessments at the lowest rate of ESA; removing the right to immediate appeal; and making it impossible for anyone with any illness to claim JSA by imposing conditions for it that an ill person could not meet.

What he made no allowances for is this - people are getting sick at exactly the same rate as they always did and probably always will; and he can expect the claimant numbers to increase because he is preventing them from retiring.
Before the rules changed, I was due to retire and claim my OAP in February 2016. Now I can't do that until 2022 - and as my health is not likely to improve to the point I can work again, he can count me in for ESA for 6 years more than originally expected.

Despite all his viciousness, the numbers stay the same. The alleged "overspend" on ESA presumably includes the outrageous amounts of money spent on appeals by DWP, and the millions wasted on repeated and unnecessary assessments.
Labour needs to look long and hard at this - it's high time that politicians accepted that there is a significant cohort of people, about 2.5 million or so, who are too ill to work. This represents less than 9% of the working age population, and some of the claimants in that figure have jobs but are just temporarily unable to do them.

If the £8 Billion "overspend" is over 5 years, it's about £1.75BN a year - I made a mistake in my last post by assuming this referred to an annual figure, so apologies - but by calling this expenditure an "overspend" it assumes that some of the benefit paid was not due because the claimants concerned should have been working. This is nonsense.
No new ESA claimant has had a WCA at 12 weeks into the claim for more than a year now - which means they keep on supplying "fit notes" to DWP which is the evidence required to claim Assessment Phase ESA. In other words, the million or so new claimants are ill according to their doctors, who keep giving them certification while they wait for assessment.

Although I completely miscalculated in my last post, the facts are that, allowing for the annual rises, the above-inflation rise for Support Group claimants, the increase in SG claimants as the ex-IB long-term claimants convert to ESA, and the massive backlog in claims not being assessed at all and thus not coming off benefit, the "overspend" isn't that much really.

I am so fed up of Labour confusing "disabled" people with ESA claimants. There are people with disabilities, like the 7,000 ex-Remploy workers and others who are wanting work and are being let down, certainly - but ESA claimants are of a different stripe entirely and many of them are simply not capable of work at all. That's why their doctors sign them off, FFS.

Green and Reeves can drone on about money and work and toughness and fairness yadda yadda yadda as long as they like - I am still not hearing what they will actually DO to support people who are seriously ill or permanently unable to work (sometimes for years before they retire) beyond "Oh we'll make sure they are treated with dignity".....

Bring back IB while the systems still work. Bring back Permitted Work. Sort it out, Labour.
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diGriz wrote:I thought the Rochester by-election was today. Darn, was looking forward to that. I'm feeling it will go UKIP as a protest before the GE.
Has the Rochester date been decided yet?
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
diGriz wrote:I thought the Rochester by-election was today. Darn, was looking forward to that. I'm feeling it will go UKIP as a protest before the GE.
Has the Rochester date been decided yet?
Expected 6th November according to wiki.
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ohsocynical wrote:Double session on the dentists couch but have never had teeth out [two, a stitch in one of them] where I ended up in more pain than before. Don't know where to put myself. It's so bad it gave me the shakes. Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off. Sod going to the dentist!
It'll wear off :hug:
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ohsocynical wrote:Double session on the dentists couch but have never had teeth out [two, a stitch in one of them] where I ended up in more pain than before. Don't know where to put myself. It's so bad it gave me the shakes. Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off. Sod going to the dentist!
Have you got antibiotics? My dentist won't take a tooth out with an active abscess, waits till the AB's have sorted the abscess.
Make an appointment with the doctor - just in case

Thinking of you
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ohsocynical wrote:Double session on the dentists couch but have never had teeth out [two, a stitch in one of them] where I ended up in more pain than before. Don't know where to put myself. It's so bad it gave me the shakes. Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off. Sod going to the dentist!

Clove oil works but tastes vile. Bonjela is good but quite expensive.
Arnica is a total waste of money.

Lavender oil, applied neat to your cheek/jaw, will help with any bruising. You can also use it neat in small quantities like little dabs, on the sore bits in your mouth and it really takes the sting out of a bruise, but avoid the broken skin/membranes as you need the cavities where the teeth used to be to form a clot.

Also - anti-inflammatory like paracetamol or ibuprofen will help the swelling; codeine best for the deep pain (bear in mind you have had trauma to your jaw, so it really does hurt).

Best bet - ask your chemist for generic co-codamol. Each tab is 500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine; 2 every 4 hours, no more than 8 a day. You need the codeine for the dull ache and it will help with the earache too. If the earache persists after 48 hours, see the doc.
Get some Lavender too - it really is a useful thing to have around.
Lloyds pharmacies do Co-codamol for about £2.20 for 32 tabs, and Lavender oil should be less than a fiver.

Don't be tempted to apply heat - it might slow down the clot formation and swelling reduction, go for a bag of frozen peas!

I hope you feel better soon. :hug:
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Ohsocynical :
Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off.
Something I tried when the painkillers don't work too well is to put one directly next to the site of the pain and slowly let it dissolve. Doesn't taste great but it does seem to numb the area and let the inflammation go down.
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Another chart showing the Long Term Economic Disaster. As we know the GDP increase is almost entirely due to the increase in numbers of working age people.
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RobertSnozers wrote:From The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 83274.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
For Carswell, his defection was not really about immigration, only partly about Europe and is less about swapping one political party for another and more about a philosophical view about what an MP should be and the relationship they should have with their constituents.

He uses the analogy of the internet taxi firm Uber, which is now threatening London’s black cab monopoly. “The reason why I am part of Ukip is because I see Ukip as part of Uber Politics,” he says.

“It takes on vested interests and make sure the customer gets a better deal."
In other words, screw people who've built up a unique skill and knowledge and are trying to protect their livelihood against a tax-shy predator, let the capital trample over labour. Hurrah for the predator!
An American predator, no less...
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Haven’t had time to read through everything, but that Ukip candidate’s campaign poster upthread doesn’t meet Electoral Commission guidelines, imho:

2.33 Campaign publicity material is subject to a number of restrictions under electoral law. For example, no campaign publicity material may resemble a poll card or contain a false statement about the personal character or conduct of a candidate. You can make any statement about politics or another candidate’s or party’s policies, but you need to be aware that campaign publications are subject to the general civil and criminal law. They must not contain statements or comments that constitute libel, otherwise you could be liable to serious legal action. Statements or comments that incite violence and/or hatred would also leave you liable to criminal action.

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/_ ... idance.pdf

Presumably Labour will look at this and take a view?

I’m really hoping someone in those constituencies will ask Ukip for their leaflets to be translated into a foreign language - that’s in the guidance too ; )
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Most depressing to find out that UKIP have a youth wing.
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Hi thatchersorphan!
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Good to see some old friends browsing the Forum - hope to see posts from you soon ;-)
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Hi thatchersorphan!
That's twice now that you've said hello to people that I can't see.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good to see some old friends browsing the Forum - hope to see posts from you soon ;-)
Ah - our posts crossed. All is now clear.
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Unison says the planned strike by council workers for Tues 14th, has been called off.
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A belated MEN link regarding Heywood and Middleton:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ys-7891865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shame they didn't mention that Liz McInnes grew up in the constituency, and, yes, the Tory candidate really is that colour, except when he loses his rag when he does a fine CallMeDave impression.
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House prices in Bracknell the fastest rising outside of London http://bit.ly/1v6P5G7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
which shows how desperate people are

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yahyah wrote:Most depressing to find out that UKIP have a youth wing.
Well, as somebody has to it may as well be me ......

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ErnstRemarx wrote:A belated MEN link regarding Heywood and Middleton:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ys-7891865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shame they didn't mention that Liz McInnes grew up in the constituency, and, yes, the Tory candidate really is that colour, except when he loses his rag when he does a fine CallMeDave impression.
The Tory candidate looks like a cheap John Sessions impersonator.
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refitman wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:A belated MEN link regarding Heywood and Middleton:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ys-7891865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shame they didn't mention that Liz McInnes grew up in the constituency, and, yes, the Tory candidate really is that colour, except when he loses his rag when he does a fine CallMeDave impression.
The Tory candidate looks like a cheap John Sessions impersonator.
Gartside is a rather shouty character, full of his own importance and with much to be modest about. It's clear Tory Central have chosen him as the sacrificial lamb in H&M. Gartside's deputy - James "Arfur" Daly, Bury's own poundshop Perry Mason - has by contrast been selected to contest the 2015 GE in the rather more winnable Bolton NW. Compare and contrast.
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Heh.

A reply to my bit on the AS blog about UKIP's "Labour closed Rochdale A^E" being factually incorrect...

nickspurs RogerOThornhill 2h ago
It is clear you don`t know when to close down your PC and stop writing complete rubbish. Do you have any self awareness, any idea what a complete jerk you make of yourself on here on a regular basis!


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Now something completely different!
I note that First Group have lost the Scotrail rail franchise and it's been awarded to a state controlled company. Unfortunately it's a Dutch state controlled company Abelio who already run England's most subsidised rail franchise Northern Rail.
A great article in the Independent asks why if State Controlled companies are so useless why are they so successful in winning contracts. If they are foreign state controlled good but if British they won't be considered.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 83556.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good news for the Dutch tax payer who are receiving an even bigger grant from the UK TAX payer than before. As Jim Armitage says 'I like the Dutch'!
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ephemerid wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Double session on the dentists couch but have never had teeth out [two, a stitch in one of them] where I ended up in more pain than before. Don't know where to put myself. It's so bad it gave me the shakes. Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off. Sod going to the dentist!

Clove oil works but tastes vile. Bonjela is good but quite expensive.
Arnica is a total waste of money.

Lavender oil, applied neat to your cheek/jaw, will help with any bruising. You can also use it neat in small quantities like little dabs, on the sore bits in your mouth and it really takes the sting out of a bruise, but avoid the broken skin/membranes as you need the cavities where the teeth used to be to form a clot.

Also - anti-inflammatory like paracetamol or ibuprofen will help the swelling; codeine best for the deep pain (bear in mind you have had trauma to your jaw, so it really does hurt).

Best bet - ask your chemist for generic co-codamol. Each tab is 500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine; 2 every 4 hours, no more than 8 a day. You need the codeine for the dull ache and it will help with the earache too. If the earache persists after 48 hours, see the doc.
Get some Lavender too - it really is a useful thing to have around.
Lloyds pharmacies do Co-codamol for about £2.20 for 32 tabs, and Lavender oil should be less than a fiver.

Don't be tempted to apply heat - it might slow down the clot formation and swelling reduction, go for a bag of frozen peas!

I hope you feel better soon. :hug:
Thanks everyone for the sympathy and advice.
Ephie. I've been on paracetemol/codeine tablets for four days now. It has been keeping the pain to a low roar, but is totally ineffective at present. I don't take the codeine dose every time. Sometimes I take plain paracetemol, The doctor said it wouldn't hurt but I'd rather be careful. :) Aspirin or Ibuprofen would definitely help but I can't take anything like that now because of my ulcerated insides.
The abscess is still draining which is causing some bleeding still. Salt water rinses tomorrow which should help.

The abscess travelled under my jaw line and had reached just under my chin. I'm on two lots of pills. Metronidzole, and Amoxillin hopefully they'll kick in shortly. I have to go immediately to the hospital if I have trouble swallowing or breathing but I think I've just missed that happening. It's like having tonsillitis at present, but I can swallow okay.


I have a drop of Bonjela left. I'll try it.
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Kate Green speech .

http://labourlist.org/2014/10/under-dav ... ft-behind/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


http://www.kategreen.org/index.php/west ... y-benefits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Ultimate Daily Mail headline ?

From their website:
''Could terrorists turn themselves into Ebola suicide 'bombs'? Experts fear ISIS jihadists may infect themselves to spread virus in West''
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ohsocynical wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Double session on the dentists couch but have never had teeth out [two, a stitch in one of them] where I ended up in more pain than before. Don't know where to put myself. It's so bad it gave me the shakes. Now my ear is aching in sympathy and the pain killers aren't even taking the edge off. Sod going to the dentist!

Clove oil works but tastes vile. Bonjela is good but quite expensive.
Arnica is a total waste of money.

Lavender oil, applied neat to your cheek/jaw, will help with any bruising. You can also use it neat in small quantities like little dabs, on the sore bits in your mouth and it really takes the sting out of a bruise, but avoid the broken skin/membranes as you need the cavities where the teeth used to be to form a clot.

Also - anti-inflammatory like paracetamol or ibuprofen will help the swelling; codeine best for the deep pain (bear in mind you have had trauma to your jaw, so it really does hurt).

Best bet - ask your chemist for generic co-codamol. Each tab is 500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine; 2 every 4 hours, no more than 8 a day. You need the codeine for the dull ache and it will help with the earache too. If the earache persists after 48 hours, see the doc.
Get some Lavender too - it really is a useful thing to have around.
Lloyds pharmacies do Co-codamol for about £2.20 for 32 tabs, and Lavender oil should be less than a fiver.

Don't be tempted to apply heat - it might slow down the clot formation and swelling reduction, go for a bag of frozen peas!

I hope you feel better soon. :hug:
Thanks everyone for the sympathy and advice.
Ephie. I've been on paracetemol/codeine tablets for four days now. It has been keeping the pain to a low roar, but is totally ineffective at present. I don't take the codeine dose every time. Sometimes I take plain paracetemol, The doctor said it wouldn't hurt but I'd rather be careful. :) Aspirin or Ibuprofen would definitely help but I can't take anything like that now because of my ulcerated insides.
The abscess is still draining which is causing some bleeding still. Salt water rinses tomorrow which should help.

The abscess travelled under my jaw line and had reached just under my chin. I'm on two lots of pills. Metronidzole, and Amoxillin hopefully they'll kick in shortly. I have to go immediately to the hospital if I have trouble swallowing or breathing but I think I've just missed that happening. It's like having tonsillitis at present, but I can swallow okay.


I have a drop of Bonjela left. I'll try it.
I had the metronidozol. It worked pretty quickly for me. Don't forget to finish the course whatever you do.
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HindleA wrote:Kate Green speech .

http://labourlist.org/2014/10/under-dav ... ft-behind/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


http://www.kategreen.org/index.php/west ... y-benefits" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks, A.

And once again, nowhere does it mention that people claiming ESA and undergoing the WCA are ILL. ILL - not necessarily disabled.
In the linked article (in the Independent last April about the "reforms" planned for the WCA) the same again.

Some people who are disabled also happen to be ill. Some ill people are debilitated temporarily or disabled permanently by that illness.
I simply cannot understand why Labour constantly confuses disability with illness. It drives me bananas.

So - Kate Green says that Labour will change the WCA to make sure that the assessment reports focus on what work someone can do, and that claimants will have a bit more say. That's it. That's the reform.
A few new programmes to replace the Work Programme, and lots of "support" to help disabled people go to work. Nothing about people who are too ill to work; nothing about sanctions on sick people.

Useless.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A Person ‏@rdgresident 7m7 minutes ago
House prices in Bracknell the fastest rising outside of London http://bit.ly/1v6P5G7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
which shows how desperate people are

Get selling Ohso!
The town is beautifully laid out. Low crime, masses of trees and wooded areas, cycling and pedestrian friendly, but the bulk of the older housing although roomy, is a horrible design and our town centre is decimated. It was never good, and they're supposed to be giving us a new one, but have made a right cock up of it.

I feel quite apologetic about it. We've bought and sold three times since 1999, always on a rising market and downsized each time, which meant I didn't have to go back to work or apply for disability etc, but we never planned our moves according to how much we'd get. We just got lucky.
This time is slightly different because we shan't buy any more. We'll rent and every extra pound pads out our old age, but it's not a good feeling. I do feel sorry for the youngsters but it's always been that way around here. Even when the market has fallen we'd still have been on profit.
We started out thanks to mum and dad, who sold their house and brought a big Edwardian Semi which we divided up into three self contained flats; mum and dad at the top, Sis and her family on the middle floor and Mr Ohso, myself and kids on the ground floor. We had a joint mortgage over fifteen years based on mum and dad's age although it took twenty years to finally pay it off at £12 a month :shock: but at the time Mr Ohso's wages were around £12 week.
We sold that one towards the end of the big slump in 1995 but it made enough enough for what we needed.
The people that bought it were happy. In less than five years, it had tripled in price.
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North Tyneside Council abandons prepaid benefit card trial.

http://www.localgov.co.uk/Council-cance ... rial/37384" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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frightful_oik wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
Clove oil works but tastes vile. Bonjela is good but quite expensive.
Arnica is a total waste of money.

Lavender oil, applied neat to your cheek/jaw, will help with any bruising. You can also use it neat in small quantities like little dabs, on the sore bits in your mouth and it really takes the sting out of a bruise, but avoid the broken skin/membranes as you need the cavities where the teeth used to be to form a clot.

Also - anti-inflammatory like paracetamol or ibuprofen will help the swelling; codeine best for the deep pain (bear in mind you have had trauma to your jaw, so it really does hurt).

Best bet - ask your chemist for generic co-codamol. Each tab is 500mg Paracetamol and 8mg Codeine; 2 every 4 hours, no more than 8 a day. You need the codeine for the dull ache and it will help with the earache too. If the earache persists after 48 hours, see the doc.
Get some Lavender too - it really is a useful thing to have around.
Lloyds pharmacies do Co-codamol for about £2.20 for 32 tabs, and Lavender oil should be less than a fiver.

Don't be tempted to apply heat - it might slow down the clot formation and swelling reduction, go for a bag of frozen peas!

I hope you feel better soon. :hug:
Thanks everyone for the sympathy and advice.
Ephie. I've been on paracetemol/codeine tablets for four days now. It has been keeping the pain to a low roar, but is totally ineffective at present. I don't take the codeine dose every time. Sometimes I take plain paracetemol, The doctor said it wouldn't hurt but I'd rather be careful. :) Aspirin or Ibuprofen would definitely help but I can't take anything like that now because of my ulcerated insides.
The abscess is still draining which is causing some bleeding still. Salt water rinses tomorrow which should help.

The abscess travelled under my jaw line and had reached just under my chin. I'm on two lots of pills. Metronidzole, and Amoxillin hopefully they'll kick in shortly. I have to go immediately to the hospital if I have trouble swallowing or breathing but I think I've just missed that happening. It's like having tonsillitis at present, but I can swallow okay.


I have a drop of Bonjela left. I'll try it.
I had the metronidozol. It worked pretty quickly for me. Don't forget to finish the course whatever you do.
Just to add, if they told you to do regular salt water rinses then make sure you do. I failed to follow that advice and developed a dry socket that lasted two months and was as bad as the toothache had been.
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The odious Mr.Shelbrooke.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/we ... it-4408436" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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HindleA wrote:North Tyneside Council abandons prepaid benefit card trial.

http://www.localgov.co.uk/Council-cance ... rial/37384" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
North Tyneside are generally decent, so I'm prepared to believe this quote from the link.
The council said ‘negative and inaccurate’ coverage in the media had undermined the credibility of the scheme and meant only two people volunteered to take part.

Deputy mayor, Cllr Bruce Pickard said the council had already successfully used pre-paid cards for direct payment clients and hoped the pre-paid benefits card would have helped those who struggled financially.

Mr Pickard said: ‘For people on low budgets who have to manage their spending very carefully, and rely on cash transactions because many don't have a full bank account, it can be very difficult for them to pay direct debits and access better prices by using online shopping.

‘We wanted to give those people a financial life-line to better managing their finances so they could be more independent in the future and provide them with great choices.’
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HindleA wrote:The odious Mr.Shelbrooke.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/we ... it-4408436" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I thought I was virtually unshockable after 4 1/2 years of nastiness after nastiness from them ............. but sheeesh that is unspeakably odious.
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Seeing as the Guardian's Beta has made their comment system virtually unusable, and seeing as some of you have previously said far too kind things about my Thursday BBCQT rants, I hope you don't mind the self-promoting indulgence of me posting a link to it here:

http://onebuttonmonkey.com/obm/2014/10/ ... acton.html

I realise my ranting about all the parties isn't everyone's taste, so feel free to skip the two paragraphs on Harriet Harman, if you like...
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onebuttonmonkey wrote:Seeing as the Guardian's Beta has made their comment system virtually unusable, and seeing as some of you have previously said far too kind things about my Thursday BBCQT rants, I hope you don't mind the self-promoting indulgence of me posting a link to it here:

http://onebuttonmonkey.com/obm/2014/10/ ... acton.html

I realise my ranting about all the parties isn't everyone's taste, so feel free to skip the two paragraphs on Harriet Harman, if you like...
Did she really merit two whole paragraphs? If I may be permitted another video link, this sums up most peoples (including my own) reaction to her eloquently.

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