Thursday 2nd April 2020

Post by **refitman** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 6:55 am

Morning all.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 9:59 am

Morning all.

So...what's occurring?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 10:08 am

Did you want to be terrified or cheered up?

Coronavirus: London hospital almost runs out of oxygen for Covid-19 patients

If I find something in the latter category I'll let you know.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 10:47 am

More on face masks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tors-group" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Hospital Consultants and Specialists Association (HCSA) says the virus is so widespread and infectious, and the risks to frontline staff so great, that everyone in hospital should always have their mouth covered to reduce the risk of transmission.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 10:50 am

(((Dawn Butler)))
@DawnButlerBrent
My uncle had a fall he didn't have COVID19. He caught it in hospital and has now sadly died from COVID19.

Just a few weeks ago we buried his only Son. We are devastated as a family but I'm also angry.

Government needs to Test everyone who works in the hospitals without delay!
10:23 AM · Apr 2, 2020

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:02 am

This morning's papers.

Ouch.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:03 am

Good morfternoon.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:18 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:This morning's papers.

Ouch.

Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1
For many years the Telegraph has acted, quite literally, as Boris Johnson’s personal mouthpiece. This front page is unprecedented. The government’s in deep shit.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:19 am

Mòrag Staying at home
@Moragbackto60
Replying to
@jonlis1
At last. Telegraph have realised that their readership is toast.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:23 am

Andrew Lloyd Webber is to stream a selection of his musicals online for free starting with Donny Osmond in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. (Politics Live, Guardian)

I'll leave it there.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:27 am

Just half an hour to vote in the Labour leadership election(s) if you haven't already.......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:29 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Just half an hour to vote in the Labour leadership election(s) if you haven't already.......

Already done it - but thanks, anyway, for the reminder.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 12:26 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Andrew Lloyd Webber is to stream a selection of his musicals online for free starting with Donny Osmond in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. (Politics Live, Guardian)
I'll leave it there.

Oh what a joy...if that's not a way of getting people to get out of the house and exercise, I don't know what will.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 12:39 pm

And the Labour voting window has now (in football transfer parlance) SLAMMED SHUT! There is a "Corbyn countdown clock" out there online for the truly obsessed

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 1:23 pm

PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Just half an hour to vote in the Labour leadership election(s) if you haven't already.......
Already done it - but thanks, anyway, for the reminder.

Same here

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 1:36 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 1:55 pm

gilsey wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:This morning's papers.

Ouch.
Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1
For many years the Telegraph has acted, quite literally, as Boris Johnson’s personal mouthpiece. This front page is unprecedented. The government’s in deep shit.

It's still not so shouty as the others

https://www.theweek.co.uk/front-pages/1 ... ront-pages" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I saw nothing to indicate 'LARGE'

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 1:55 pm

Faisal Islam
@faisalislam
Initial US jobless claims, a staggering 6.6 million last week up from 3.3 million the week before, and a normal week over past year of 200k.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 1:58 pm

The real reason the UK government pursued “herd immunity” – and why it was abandoned
How an attempt to justify mass public gatherings became viewed as a cold-blooded experiment in social engineering.
By Lawrence Freedman
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... -abandoned" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can someone explain to me what this article is about, please? The author seems to be suggesting all government did wrong was use a poor choice of words.

Post by **adam** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 1:59 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Andrew Lloyd Webber is to stream a selection of his musicals online for free starting with Donny Osmond in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. (Politics Live, Guardian)
I'll leave it there.
Oh what a joy...if that's not a way of getting people to get out of the house and exercise, I don't know what will.

National Theatre live at home starts tonight - livestreamed at 7pm (although obviously they're just 'playing' the recording 'live' on YouTube at 7pm) and then available to watch all week. One Man Two Guvnors is first and is really good.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 2:15 pm

Anna Soubry
@Anna_Soubry
Whilst responsibility lies ultimately with the Govt. this overly bureaucratic approach is sadly typical of much of the management of the #NHS & it has to change - now. We’re in a national emergency.

They just can't stop, can they.

refers to this story
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/medi ... 3605a95556" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the interests of 'efficiency', the Conservatives have dismantled the structure of the NHS over 10 years. Instead of management, NHS has administration.
Steve Richards said 'An inexperienced Number 10 of Brexit campaigners unclear what levers to pull'.
I'd say they've done away with most of the levers.

We used to have Area Health Authorities, those were the days.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 2:22 pm

citizenJA wrote:
The real reason the UK government pursued “herd immunity” – and why it was abandoned
How an attempt to justify mass public gatherings became viewed as a cold-blooded experiment in social engineering.
By Lawrence Freedman
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... -abandoned" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Can someone explain to me what this article is about, please? The author seems to be suggesting all government did wrong was use a poor choice of words.

Personally I think this a better summation of what the government got wrong and why:

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-anal ... -otherwise" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Coronavirus is political. Don't let them tell you otherwise.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 2:32 pm

One of Susan Oosthuizen's threads is being written as we speak...

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 2:36 pm

I wonder how soon it will sink into Tory MPs that what they're seeing is the result of the structures put in place by Andrew Lansley?

notnowsonny · Post by **notnowsonny** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 2:40 pm

Quote from adam National Theatre live at home starts tonight - livestreamed at 7pm (although obviously they're just 'playing' the recording 'live' on YouTube at 7pm) and then available to watch all week. One Man Two Guvnors is first and is really good.[/quote]

Looking forward to seeing this as we missed it at the time. Next week's play is Twelfth Night, with Tamsin Greig, which was so good the entire Sonny family saw it twice!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 3:11 pm

Willow904 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
The real reason the UK government pursued “herd immunity” – and why it was abandoned
How an attempt to justify mass public gatherings became viewed as a cold-blooded experiment in social engineering.
By Lawrence Freedman
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... -abandoned" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Can someone explain to me what this article is about, please? The author seems to be suggesting all government did wrong was use a poor choice of words.
Personally I think this a better summation of what the government got wrong and why:

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-anal ... -otherwise" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Coronavirus is political. Don't let them tell you otherwise.

Yes. This line in particular...

...a government response to every challenge - 'we are ramping up efforts'.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 3:26 pm

Tate is to release free online tours of two major exhibitions that closed early because of the coronavirus lockdown.

Tate Modern’s Andy Warhol show and Tate Britain’s Aubrey Beardsley show were on the list of must-sees for many art-lovers. They both opened in early March to positive reviews before closing when the galleries abruptly shut down on 17 March. (Politics Live, Guardian)

I'll give the Andy Warhol a swerve, but the Aubrey Beardsley one is of interest to me.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 3:29 pm

Does anyone here know who we're being treated to today, Government spokesperson-wise?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 3:31 pm

PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know who we're being treated to today, Government spokesperson-wise?

After yesterday, I'm at least guessing it won't be Sharma again?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 4:03 pm

PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know who we're being treated to today, Government spokesperson-wise?

My guess is Rick, Apprentice Communications Assistant
I've no doubt it'll be an improvement

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 4:23 pm

Its actually.........Liz Truss

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 4:25 pm

Matt Hancock is back is what I've heard, while Boris is still feeling poorly/sorry for himself - delete as appropriate.
Liz Truss was rumoured at one point, but I'm not sure the government could have survived that.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 4:26 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Does anyone here know who we're being treated to today, Government spokesperson-wise?
My guess is Rick, Apprentice Communications Assistant
I've no doubt it'll be an improvement

Liz (Atlas Shrugged) Truss ?

To be followed by remaining culprits for "Britannia Unchained " !

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 4:27 pm

Oops, cross post. And two possibilities. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 4:30 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its actually.........Liz Truss

The one who has a Union Flag at home...

Desperate times call for desperate measures if she's the best they can come up with.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 5:16 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its actually.........Liz Truss

oh damnit

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 6:07 pm

Some good news!

Arron Banks fails in effort to use EU laws to avoid £162,000 tax bill

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... 0-tax-bill

Banks challenged the decision at the first-tier tribunal, arguing the law on political donations being exempt from inheritance tax breached his human rights and breached EU law.

He claimed the provisions of the Inheritance Tax Act were unlawfully discriminatory under the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and also breached his – and Ukip’s – right to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly under the convention.

"We also find that Mr Banks appears to be a nasty little hypocrite. So we're telling him to sod off"

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 7:17 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:I wonder how soon it will sink into Tory MPs that what they're seeing is the result of the structures put in place by Andrew Lansley?

Voted through by Shirley Williams et al

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 7:50 pm

RIP Helen Pig. Confused billionaire asks for a bail out (6,5).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 9:02 pm

This Tweet made me glad of my choice for Deputy

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frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 9:14 pm

Fresh Crace --

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... tt-hancock" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 10:03 pm

From the above:

First he was going to write off £13bn of NHS debt. On any other day this would have been the biggest news story – one that would have horrified most of his fellow Tory MPs – but now it was nothing more than a throwaway aside. An academic footnote.

I'd be very surprised if this didn't relate to just the accumulation of NHS spending more than its budget so they effectively owe the Treasury.

Overall Government accounts? No impact whatsoever.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 10:36 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This Tweet made me glad of my choice for Deputy

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I've never understood why some on the Labour left are so sniffy about her (well I sort of do, but I think they're wrong)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 10:46 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 Apr, 2020 11:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This Tweet made me glad of my choice for Deputy

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I've never understood why some on the Labour left are so sniffy about her (well I sort of do, but I think they're wrong)

I like Angela Rayner. But I voted for Rosena Allin Khan.