Friday 10th October 2014

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 11:45 am

UKIP *did* take some Labour votes in H&M - not least through the tried and tested LibDem line "you only have to lend us your vote until next year".

Has to be said (and I have done so previously) the Balls line on child benefit went down like a cup of cold sick too. Both he and "Dougal" are major liabilities now.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 11:53 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/maryr ... -miliband/

Miliband is doomed. Again.
I daren't open the link. Is it DFH?

Mary Riddell.

The Conservatives knew that UKIP would be a challenge but Labour didn't. Therefore Miliband is in trouble, Cameron is fine. Results don't matter obviously.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:00 pm

Last night proved a simple truth: while UKIP say they take votes from all parties, they cost the Conservative Party seats.

That means a vote for UKIP puts Labour closer to winning the election and Ed Miliband closer to Number 10.

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Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:03 pm

Just dropping in quickly to link this - Michael Mansfield at the Hillsborough Inquiry

https://twitter.com/david_conn

JTF96

(and I finally sorted out my avatar!)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:05 pm

This made me chuckle

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:07 pm

Tim Montgomerie ‏@TimMontgomerie 51m51 minutes ago
Con MPs queuing up to be nice to @DouglasCarswell. They hope accommodation wld be possible with Ukip if (when?) he replaces Farage as leader

I should be a newspaper pundit. I was saying a couple of weeks ago, that Farage will be out on his ear as soon as there are enough Tories recruited to UKIP.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:07 pm

Well, I suppose we'll have to put up with the 'earthquake' bollocks for another day or two until a vestige of sanity creeps back into the conversation - although I'm not expecting anything from the Graun barring in depth analysis as to why Labour are now doomed.

For the record, yesterday up here was cold and wet, and I know all too well that many Labour voters don't stir themselves in such conditions. UKIP voters will probably have gone to the polls quite enthusiastically, by comparison.

The result was a win and that's the bottom line. Labour are certainly going to have to be more muscular concerning UKIP, and shold take the chance to not only expose their strange policies, but also to formulate slam dunk left wing populist policies for themselves. We can all think of an immediate 6 point shopping list that would be hugely popular and pretty persuasive to voters.

Final point: yesterday I received emails from the local party saying that at 11.30 this morning a 'VIP' from Labour would be visiting Bury. I don't think you need to be a genius to figure out who that might be. Anyway, I've just received an email saying that the visit's been cancelled at the last minute due to events elsewhere. Again, you don't need to be...etc. I'd say that the leadership of the party have woken up and decided that action is needed, and that policy must reflect that. That can't be a bad thing, IMO.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:10 pm

And here's….. Danny

Telegraph Politics ‏@TelePolitics 14s14 seconds ago
Blog: After the catastrophe of Heywood, Labour is staring down the barrels of Ukip's tanks http://tgr.ph/1qvT8UI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:19 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And here's….. Danny

Telegraph Politics ‏@TelePolitics 14s14 seconds ago
Blog: After the catastrophe of Heywood, Labour is staring down the barrels of Ukip's tanks http://tgr.ph/1qvT8UI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's found a new word. 'Catastrophe' apparently. A catastrophic win. Hmmm.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:24 pm

I've not read the whole pamphlet yet but the summary on page 4 is mighty convincing, imo.

http://www.fabians.org.uk/wp-content/up ... Final4.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would have copied the relevant [as I see it] passages but it's a pdf & it won't let me.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:25 pm

Ooh UKIP MEP just said they were going to give Scotland less money. I be that will go down well north of the border, like a cup of cold sick.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morning.

As RobertSnozers has observed, Douglas Carswell doesn't seem to fit the Ukip mould very comfortably. On his walkabout in Clacton this morning, Nigel Farage was loudly speaking over him when he was attempting to respond to journalists.

As for the recount - I wasn't too worried initially (through the haze of sleep), and then became very twitchy (and wide awake) when it was said that there was to be a full recount. Then it reverted to a bundle check. What was going on there?

@ohsocynical

How is it today? Better than yesterday, I hope.

Only marginally. Still have a swollen neck and jaw, although I think the anti-biotics are just beginning to kick in because the swelling isn't quite so hard.

I can't get my mouth open very far which is giving Mr Ohso a lovely rest, so there's always a good side

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:26 pm

It is easily forgotten that Labour have actually lost a seat in a by-election earlier in this parliament, with a massive swing against them.

But I don't recall this degree of hysteria even then?

UKIP have become the new LibDems, using many of the same tricks and appealing to the same type of "anti-system" voters.

Labour should have done better in H&M, yes, but few of the *real* reasons they didn't will be mentioned by the bubble.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:49 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:It is easily forgotten that Labour have actually lost a seat in a by-election earlier in this parliament, with a massive swing against them.

But I don't recall this degree of hysteria even then?

UKIP have become the new LibDems, using many of the same tricks and appealing to the same type of "anti-system" voters.

Labour should have done better in H&M, yes, but few of the *real* reasons they didn't will be mentioned by the bubble.

Ach, my mood has been plummeting all morning. I take no notice of "the bubble" but Twitter is awash with 'True Socialists' and CyberNats doing Lynton's job for them; it really depresses me that these people can't see that rather than being the solution (which they patently do) they have become very much part of the problem. As ever the Left does it to itself.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:53 pm

FFS, Sky News has just shown Ed's speech in H&M. He apparently made it clear beforehand that he didn't have time to take questions from journalists but that didn't stop that Kieran Jenkins from C4 (who I recall was guilty of some seriously bad reporting recently re Labour but I don't remember what it was about) shouting out questions during the speech then rushing after Ed & Liz afterward.

Next up, Havisham & Montgomerie on just how much trouble Ed is in - I kid you not, this is exactly what happened

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 12:56 pm

Never mind. Here's a picture of Nige relaxing with a pint & a fag

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danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:00 pm

Sounds like Andy Burnham is going on the attack of The Daily Politics. Good

Burnham: "We didn't lose 33% of our vote last night. That is what happened to the Coalition parties." #bbcdp

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:00 pm

pk1 wrote:FFS, Sky News has just shown Ed's speech in H&M. He apparently made it clear beforehand that he didn't have time to take questions from journalists but that didn't stop that Kieran Jenkins from C4 (who I recall was guilty of some seriously bad reporting recently re Labour but I don't remember what it was about) shouting out questions during the speech then rushing after Ed & Liz afterward.

Next up, Havisham & Montgomerie on just how much trouble Ed is in - I kid you not, this is exactly what happened

Jenkins was the one who gave legs to the "Ed's WW1 wreath" smear by Guido.

He is a supporter of Plaid Cymru (who have just been overtaken by UKIP in the latest Wales poll, but don't expect any comment on that)

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:05 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
pk1 wrote:FFS, Sky News has just shown Ed's speech in H&M. He apparently made it clear beforehand that he didn't have time to take questions from journalists but that didn't stop that Kieran Jenkins from C4 (who I recall was guilty of some seriously bad reporting recently re Labour but I don't remember what it was about) shouting out questions during the speech then rushing after Ed & Liz afterward.

Next up, Havisham & Montgomerie on just how much trouble Ed is in - I kid you not, this is exactly what happened
Jenkins was the one who gave legs to the "Ed's WW1 wreath" smear by Guido.

He is a supporter of Plaid Cymru (who have just been overtaken by UKIP in the latest Wales poll, but don't expect any comment on that)

One of Rusty's mates then.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:12 pm

From the ONS today

In August 2014, output in the construction industry was estimated to have fallen by 3.9% compared with July 2014. Users should note that the revision to July 2014, in this release, from (0% to 1.9%) has had an impact on the month-on-month contraction in growth.

All new work decreased by 4.8%, with all types of work except public new housing reporting decreases; infrastructure (6.5%); private commercial (5.6%); private housing (5.5%); private industrial (4.9%); and public other (2.4%). However, the fall in private housing provided the largest contribution to the overall fall in all new work and all work.

Repair and maintenance (R&M) also fell in August 2014 (2.5%), notably non-housing R&M fell by 2.6%.

Compared with August 2013, output in the construction industry showed a decrease of 0.3%, this is the first time since May 2013, when there was a fall of 1.7%, that the year-on-year estimate has decreased.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:17 pm

I see Cummings has been responding to the leak of his memo about Michael Wilshaw...

https://twitter.com/odysseanproject

This is interesting...

UK Education Matters @SchoolDuggery · 25m 25 minutes ago
Ooh, Dom, you dreadful tease RT @odysseanproject: 7/ Wilshaw was a good head but probably the second worst personnel decision we made

So who was the worst? Truss? Charlie Taylor? I seem to recall an article which said that his organisation needed a boot up the backside.

I notice from Ofsted that they haven't announced who's taking over on the Ofsted board - there were 5 posts up for grabs in August. Odd that no announcements have been made unless the existing ones have been reappointed.

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:27 pm

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That means a vote for UKIP puts Labour closer to winning the election and Ed Miliband closer to Number 10.

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Post by **refitman** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:55 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
danesclose wrote:Sounds like Andy Burnham is going on the attack of The Daily Politics. Good

Burnham: "We didn't lose 33% of our vote last night. That is what happened to the Coalition parties." #bbcdp
He made this point very strongly on The World At One, too which was refreshing, though it didn't stop the usual parade of 'experts' declaring that Ukip had taken votes off Labour.

This is what he said on WatO:

I know the media script at the moment is to proclaim everything a disaster for Labour, it’s the way the media is operating at the moment. I mean, it’s not borne out by the facts is it? As you said in your own introduction, Labour’s vote held up. It wasn’t Labour’s vote that collapsed last night and I think that is, to be honest with you, the story...

I’m not coming on to be complacent. I’m never complacent. There is more we need to do to listen to people who are voting Ukip, particularly on immigration, I would be the first to say that. But I am entitled, I think, to push back at a media narrative that’s been running since the conferences to say that Labour has the problem and all the momentum is with the Conservatives.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:56 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
danesclose wrote:Sounds like Andy Burnham is going on the attack of The Daily Politics. Good

Burnham: "We didn't lose 33% of our vote last night. That is what happened to the Coalition parties." #bbcdp
He made this point very strongly on The World At One, too which was refreshing, though it didn't stop the usual parade of 'experts' declaring that Ukip had taken votes off Labour.

They'd worked out what the line was going to be beforehand and won't let facts get in the way now.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 1:59 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
danesclose wrote:Sounds like Andy Burnham is going on the attack of The Daily Politics. Good

He made this point very strongly on The World At One, too which was refreshing, though it didn't stop the usual parade of 'experts' declaring that Ukip had taken votes off Labour.
They'd worked out what the line was going to be beforehand and won't let facts get in the way now.

It's the European elections all over again.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 2:12 pm

Mark Ferguson on how everything Labour is doing is wrong......*sigh*

http://labourlist.org/2014/10/if-this-d ... what-will/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have an idea for him - why not stop kicking at the Labour party & instead, get behind them & use his columns to start fighting the Tories ?!

Another suggestion would be to employ a bloody moderator to kick the trolls out & permit his site to become a Labour site again !

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 2:29 pm

I've just realised that Tim Aker, UKIP head of policy, used to be a co-ordinator for the TaxPayers Alliance...says it all really.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 2:39 pm

pk1 wrote:Mark Ferguson on how everything Labour is doing is wrong......*sigh*

http://labourlist.org/2014/10/if-this-d ... what-will/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have an idea for him - why not stop kicking at the Labour party & instead, get behind them & use his columns to start fighting the Tories ?!

Another suggestion would be to employ a bloody moderator to kick the trolls out & permit his site to become a Labour site again !

I am a bit concerned that some here (for perfectly understandable reasons) are shooting the messenger, tbh - H&M was *not* a good result for us; not the total disaster some in the media are portraying it for their self-interested reasons, but the fact is Labour people thought the polls taken there were broadly right and we would score in the mid-high 40s. It is right to be concerned about why that didn't actually happen.

And yes, Ferguson is a bit of a Jonah - but he is hardly alone there right now. The inspiration and hope Ed M offered us a year or two ago has been much less in evidence recently - the "shrink the offer" technocratic managerialists have somehow gained the upper hand (Mr/Mrs Balls, "Dougal" et al) even though their recent record, as yesterday proved, is nothing to shout about.

Labour need to offer people reasons to vote FOR them - "we will be a bit less awful than the Tories" won't cut it any more.

Needless to say, though, I agree 100% with your last point

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 2:51 pm

pk1 wrote:Mark Ferguson on how everything Labour is doing is wrong......*sigh*

http://labourlist.org/2014/10/if-this-d ... what-will/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have an idea for him - why not stop kicking at the Labour party & instead, get behind them & use his columns to start fighting the Tories ?!

Another suggestion would be to employ a bloody moderator to kick the trolls out & permit his site to become a Labour site again !

Was it ever really a Labour, rather than New Labour, site? I've treated it with suspicion since the Draper/McBride incident and, personally, I think Ferguson is just a fag paper away from Wintour and Hodges in his beliefs; the stuff trotted out on that site is exactly the sort of thing I have been fighting on Twitter all morning.

Debate is healthy, but I prefer critique rather than the constant diet of self-flagellating masochistic destructiveness we are witnessing at the moment.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 3:03 pm

I have long thought Ferguson is a Compassite (and with a similar hand wringing tendency to Neal Lawson)

He not infrequently criticises the party leadership from a leftist standpoint (not something the others you mention do)

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 3:06 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I have long thought Ferguson is a Compassite (and with a similar hand wringing tendency to Neal Lawson)

He not infrequently criticises the party leadership from a leftist standpoint (not something the others you mention do)

You may be right, but I largely dismissed him and LL as an irrelevance some time ago.

Edit - And, on reflection, your comment tells me why I have; it is the fact that it is part of that diet of constant criticism, with its side dish of "no constructive suggestions to make", that annoys me. But, as I've been told several times today, I need to wake up .....

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 3:39 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
pk1 wrote:Mark Ferguson on how everything Labour is doing is wrong......*sigh*

http://labourlist.org/2014/10/if-this-d ... what-will/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have an idea for him - why not stop kicking at the Labour party & instead, get behind them & use his columns to start fighting the Tories ?!

Another suggestion would be to employ a bloody moderator to kick the trolls out & permit his site to become a Labour site again !
I am a bit concerned that some here (for perfectly understandable reasons) are shooting the messenger, tbh - H&M was *not* a good result for us; not the total disaster some in the media are portraying it for their self-interested reasons, but the fact is Labour people thought the polls taken there were broadly right and we would score in the mid-high 40s. It is right to be concerned about why that didn't actually happen.

And yes, Ferguson is a bit of a Jonah - but he is hardly alone there right now. The inspiration and hope Ed M offered us a year or two ago has been much less in evidence recently - the "shrink the offer" technocratic managerialists have somehow gained the upper hand (Mr/Mrs Balls, "Dougal" et al) even though their recent record, as yesterday proved, is nothing to shout about.

Labour need to offer people reasons to vote FOR them - "we will be a bit less awful than the Tories" won't cut it any more.

Needless to say, though, I agree 100% with your last point

I get what you're saying about shooting the messenger AK - my grumble about his site is that by refusing to deal with the worst of the trolls, he does nothing to encourage Labour supporters to post there.

Ferguson is all too keen imo to kick out but seldom has anything constructive to say either.

I have no idea what is happening 'on the ground' so to speak so I may be hopelessly out of place but I'm willing to take the comments of Anthony Wells on board:

After every by-election you essentially see the same comments reading far too much into them, and I make the same blog post saying that by-elections are extremely odd events and you can’t read too much into them: they have low turnout, are in a single seat that will not be representative of the wider country, are far more intensely fought than normal election and, crucially, do not have any impact on who the government will be the next day. If by-elections behave like the national polls, they tell us nothing new. If they behave differently, it’s probably because by-elections themselves are very different.

The narrative around last nights results was set before a vote was counted & true to form, they're all at it today. That is not to say there aren't things Labour should be doing better at, not least getting their voters to the ballot box but perhaps they were misled into thinking it didn't matter that they stayed at home by the 19 point lead in the polls running up to H&M.

Edited to add the interesting commentary by Adam Ludlow of Comres:

http://comresupdates.eu.com/DCJ-2VONV-0 ... D8/cr.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 3:42 pm

Mark Pritchard, Con MP for the Wrekin, on Sky News has just said that a Labour govt would "lead us back into bankruptcy" !

Twat.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 4:23 pm

http://www.lbc.co.uk/this-ukip-voter-is ... rien-98492" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 4:25 pm

pk1 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
pk1 wrote:Mark Ferguson on how everything Labour is doing is wrong......*sigh*

http://labourlist.org/2014/10/if-this-d ... what-will/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have an idea for him - why not stop kicking at the Labour party & instead, get behind them & use his columns to start fighting the Tories ?!

Another suggestion would be to employ a bloody moderator to kick the trolls out & permit his site to become a Labour site again !
I am a bit concerned that some here (for perfectly understandable reasons) are shooting the messenger, tbh - H&M was *not* a good result for us; not the total disaster some in the media are portraying it for their self-interested reasons, but the fact is Labour people thought the polls taken there were broadly right and we would score in the mid-high 40s. It is right to be concerned about why that didn't actually happen.

And yes, Ferguson is a bit of a Jonah - but he is hardly alone there right now. The inspiration and hope Ed M offered us a year or two ago has been much less in evidence recently - the "shrink the offer" technocratic managerialists have somehow gained the upper hand (Mr/Mrs Balls, "Dougal" et al) even though their recent record, as yesterday proved, is nothing to shout about.

Labour need to offer people reasons to vote FOR them - "we will be a bit less awful than the Tories" won't cut it any more.

Needless to say, though, I agree 100% with your last point
I get what you're saying about shooting the messenger AK - my grumble about his site is that by refusing to deal with the worst of the trolls, he does nothing to encourage Labour supporters to post there.

Ferguson is all too keen imo to kick out but seldom has anything constructive to say either.

I have no idea what is happening 'on the ground' so to speak so I may be hopelessly out of place but I'm willing to take the comments of Anthony Wells on board:

After every by-election you essentially see the same comments reading far too much into them, and I make the same blog post saying that by-elections are extremely odd events and you can’t read too much into them: they have low turnout, are in a single seat that will not be representative of the wider country, are far more intensely fought than normal election and, crucially, do not have any impact on who the government will be the next day. If by-elections behave like the national polls, they tell us nothing new. If they behave differently, it’s probably because by-elections themselves are very different.
The narrative around last nights results was set before a vote was counted & true to form, they're all at it today. That is not to say there aren't things Labour should be doing better at, not least getting their voters to the ballot box but perhaps they were misled into thinking it didn't matter that they stayed at home by the 19 point lead in the polls running up to H&M.

Edited to add the interesting commentary by Adam Ludlow of Comres:

http://comresupdates.eu.com/DCJ-2VONV-0 ... D8/cr.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's a well balanced and nuanced article. I'd attack UKIP on the grounds that their policies are uncosted, anti-libertarian (in many cases), pretty much unworkable, will increase inequality and poverty, and that a departure from the EU is the proverbial cutting off your nose to spite your face from many points of view. Calling them uber Tories doesn't do much; telling people that their policies will destroy valuable institutions and trade links and impoverish many for the benefit of a few zealots would have more purchase.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 4:33 pm

pk1 wrote:http://www.lbc.co.uk/this-ukip-voter-is ... rien-98492

Ouch.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 4:50 pm

Ouch mk. 2. If anything, it's even better.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/watch-nigel-farage ... 1130-90532" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:12 pm

Good afternoon.

Jack Straw has been accused of saying that some people say Ed has "panda eyes" and "a weird mouth". Jack's right. Some people DO say that.
What is not being reported is what he also said - "I could say the same sort of thing about David Cameron and Nick Clegg".

Naughty press. Selective reporting strikes again.

Something else that they are not reporting - the whereabouts of Kim Jong Un.

Have a poem -

Hickory Dickory Dock
We could be in for a shock
It's really weird
Kim's disappeared
Hickory Dickory Dock.

Tick tock. Tick tock.......

It is weird though - some of the papers reckon he's been done in.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:19 pm

ephemerid wrote:Good afternoon.

Jack Straw has been accused of saying that some people say Ed has "panda eyes" and "a weird mouth". Jack's right. Some people DO say that.
What is not being reported is what he also said - "I could say the same sort of thing about David Cameron and Nick Clegg".

Naughty press. Selective reporting strikes again.

Something else that they are not reporting - the whereabouts of Kim Jong Un.

Have a poem -

Hickory Dickory Dock
We could be in for a shock
It's really weird
Kim's disappeared
Hickory Dickory Dock.

Tick tock. Tick tock.......

It is weird though - some of the papers reckon he's been done in.

Afternoon ephemerid I Tweeted your poem

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:22 pm

Hickory Dickory Dock
Call me Dave is in for a shock
The Rochester feckless
Will by-elect Reckless
And the PM will look a right idiot

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:24 pm

Should FTN retweet this?

Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin 9h9 hours ago
Ed Miliband has ordered Labour MPs to vote to recognise the State of Palestine in Monday's vote. Retweet if you think he made right call...
Belfast, Belfast

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:32 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ephemerid wrote:Good afternoon.

Jack Straw has been accused of saying that some people say Ed has "panda eyes" and "a weird mouth". Jack's right. Some people DO say that.
What is not being reported is what he also said - "I could say the same sort of thing about David Cameron and Nick Clegg".

Naughty press. Selective reporting strikes again.

Something else that they are not reporting - the whereabouts of Kim Jong Un.

Have a poem -

Hickory Dickory Dock
We could be in for a shock
It's really weird
Kim's disappeared
Hickory Dickory Dock.

Tick tock. Tick tock.......

It is weird though - some of the papers reckon he's been done in.
Afternoon ephemerid I Tweeted your poem

Thank you.

Seriously, I wonder where he is?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:34 pm

Credit where it's due today to the BBC, one of the few MSM sources to point the finger in the right direction IMHO

Liberal Democrat Energy Secretary, Ed Davey, has denied his party faces heavy losses in next year's general election, despite it suffering one of its worst ever by-election results since 1945.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29571956" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:36 pm

ephemerid wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ephemerid wrote:Good afternoon.

Jack Straw has been accused of saying that some people say Ed has "panda eyes" and "a weird mouth". Jack's right. Some people DO say that.
What is not being reported is what he also said - "I could say the same sort of thing about David Cameron and Nick Clegg".

Naughty press. Selective reporting strikes again.

Something else that they are not reporting - the whereabouts of Kim Jong Un.

Have a poem -

Hickory Dickory Dock
We could be in for a shock
It's really weird
Kim's disappeared
Hickory Dickory Dock.

Tick tock. Tick tock.......

It is weird though - some of the papers reckon he's been done in.
Afternoon ephemerid I Tweeted your poem

Thank you.

Seriously, I wonder where he is?

Sorry I'm not being very serious about it I'm in Friday mode - you're right though it could almost be an Archduke Ferdinand moment.

I was playing Kim's Game the other night with my kids, but this gives it a whole new meaning

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:37 pm

He "denied" that it will happen - that's all right, then

Latest review of yesterday's (other!) byelections up in the other place, btw

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:39 pm

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:41 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:He "denied" that it will happen - that's all right, then

Latest review of yesterday's (other!) byelections up in the other place, btw

Yes interesting choice of verb!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:48 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Should FTN retweet this?

Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin 9h9 hours ago
Ed Miliband has ordered Labour MPs to vote to recognise the State of Palestine in Monday's vote. Retweet if you think he made right call...
Belfast, Belfast

I think this is one of the reasons the press are so anti Ed, given the make up of the press ownership that is.
Even the President of the USA is frightened of upsetting the - what do they call it over there - is it the Jewish vote or Israeli vote?

This vote could precede the re shuffle, and may dictate who is shuffled. Some in the shadow cabinet oppose recognition of Palestine, particularly those in Labour Friends of Israel, like RR.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:50 pm

Douglas Carswell backs Nigel Farage’s calls to ban HIV positive migrants from entering UK

http://www.lbc.co.uk/this-ukip-voter-is ... rien-98492" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 10 Oct, 2014 5:51 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:He "denied" that it will happen - that's all right, then

Latest review of yesterday's (other!) byelections up in the other place, btw

Hi Anatoly, any chance of posting the roundup here? Perhaps first in future, and leave a link at the Graun to guide readers here?